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As a GAA fan im all for it, more games, if players dont like it, dont play!! rebelfan (Cork) - Posts: 70 - 25/02/2017 21:56:44 1960687 Link
Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "the provincial championships will be played off much quicker.There will be a big reduction in gaps between matches." That is a good thing I know in Connacht teams could go 5 weeks without playing cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 454 - 25/02/2017 22:03:03 1960695 Link
I think it's going to be a bloody mess, the provincial runner up is still at the same disadvantage as always, having to play a knockout game within a week or so of being beaten in their provincial decider, is the super 8 group of 4 going to have home and away games? or will it be 3 one off games in a neutral venue? the whole thing sounds crazy. El_Torro (Tyrone) - Posts: 155 - 25/02/2017 22:48:24 1960719 Link
Replying To MesAmis: " As a club player, it's safe to say that this will be my last year playing GAA. No thoughts at all about the club player with this motion passing. I call on all club teams to pull their county players back. We're sick of it! galwayfan (All) - Posts:489 - 25/02/2017 12:40:00 ?????? So because they have now given more time to the clubs you won't be playing club anymore?" All players play with a club. There is no need to use the word club to describe a player. A tiny tiny minority of players play intercounty. If that tiny minority of players are being asked to play more games in certain months, then they will have less time with their clubs. That said, Dublin did not play any game in its county championship between the Laois and Mayo games last year. If they are going to suspend County championship anyway, the county teams might as well play more games. Also, for the 24 irrelevant counties, they can just get their act together themselves. They have no reason not to have their County championship played off in time. bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 25/02/2017 23:06:43 1960723 Link
Can't understand how any so called weaker county could vote this in. How is this going to help their development? Darragh (Westmeath) - Posts: 301 - 25/02/2017 23:14:46 1960725 Link
Replying To rebelfan: "As a GAA fan im all for it, more games, if players dont like it, dont play!!" Who needs players - GAA would do fine without them neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 25/02/2017 23:20:10 1960727 Link
It is far from perfect but improve the tail end of championship. Something similar should be put in place for provincial championship with Just 1 week between games. Her presto all teams get more games but also more time for club. Simple enough really. But when u have the likes of Ulster only playing one game a week what chance do u have! Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1829 - 25/02/2017 23:53:50 1960735 Link
Replying To El_Torro: "I think it's going to be a bloody mess, the provincial runner up is still at the same disadvantage as always, having to play a knockout game within a week or so of being beaten in their provincial decider, is the super 8 group of 4 going to have home and away games? or will it be 3 one off games in a neutral venue? the whole thing sounds crazy." each team get one home one away and one croke park - two things to poinder 1- what happens if a team with a small grounds makes the super 8 2 - with 3 matches will fans in order to reduce costs possibly pick and choose their games a bit more thus affecting attendances. e.g. if you follow mayo dublin or kerry you will likely get there so you may think ill give an earlier game a miss and save up for later stages Big prize though if any minnows get ther - e.g. clare and tipp this year janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 26/02/2017 09:24:04 1960803 Link
What's happens if Mayo and Dublin in same group and win their first two games and then play each other in th final game...a dead duck game? The super 8 only benefits the bigger teams. The super 8 only puts more money in the GAA yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 26/02/2017 10:25:23 1960823 Link
Its a fantastic development that will evolve the game both from a developmental, entertainment and financial perspective. It wholly makes winning the championship more fair in my opinion. Historical imbalances have corrected and provincial championships wont be the preseason tournaments the have been and straw man All Irelands cant be won. Finally a sense of equality has come into the game. The criticisms are hyperbole in my opinion and are a by product of the amateur nature of the game in many ways - not that im knocking that - though it does have an effect. The club championship being one, the problem with it in my opinion is that everyone wast their cake and eat it. The club game is to parochial with decisions being made to locally and politics come into play, i think their should be a commission set up to govern with CPA a specific timeline for county championships to be played, some county championships have genuine cases for delay like Dublin and Mayo this year, but the other 30 counties have no excuse. Its getting two politicied now with agendas, you can bet any money this county championships will be delayed to provide ammunation/evidance for lobbying t a national level by the CPA. As for not helping weaker counties, i dont understand this at all, i also havnt seen one suggestion that would mean developng these weaker counties. I think if anything it puts a realistic target in place weaker teams if they can prove themselves against teams in qualifers to play at the top table in a super 8, surely winning a qualifier series and playing against the best team in the country will aid development. An All Ireland may not be a realistic aim but there is a pathway there for development. I dont know what people want a 17 players Vs division 1 teams or a 5 point handicapp. My own critique of the current Super 8 system is: 1) I think its still very unfair on Ulster, Leinster, Connagcht and Munster are by far easier championships to make the Super 8. 2) For some unbeknownst reason Dublin get an Ulster team in the semi this year on the side of the draw and again next year at the start of the super 8, that doesn't seem fair and a little bit of back scratching politically to me. 3) Player welfare an increased number of games is going to impact hugely on the players a package of measures to enhance player welfare needs to be brought in immediately, this is my biggest concern with a super 8. 4) From a Dublin perspective if id like the Gaa to clarify and let us play our home games not in Corke Park, im happy enough with Parnell Park, i dont see that happening as the GAA want to keep Dublin in Croke Park, thats not Dublins problem or decision, but i dont think Dublin getting two games in Corke Park is very fair. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 26/02/2017 10:49:06 1960844 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "What's happens if Mayo and Dublin in same group and win their first two games and then play each other in th final game...a dead duck game? The super 8 only benefits the bigger teams. The super 8 only puts more money in the GAA" They would need to win to top the group and get an easier draw for the semi finals. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 26/02/2017 10:57:48 1960854 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "What's happens if Mayo and Dublin in same group and win their first two games and then play each other in th final game...a dead duck game? The super 8 only benefits the bigger teams. The super 8 only puts more money in the GAA" This is another thing i dont understand, people saying the super 8 is all about money. It a happy by product of the system with anumber of other advantages. Whats the problem with the GAA earning more money? All county funding comes form the GAA, surely incresed revenue is a good thing to develop the game. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 26/02/2017 11:08:07 1960862 Link
U actually think this structure is more beneficial to weaker teams. Take Clare as an example, instead of the one game in the quarter final they had last year, they would have had 3! With regards Tipp, true it will be more difficult for them to make the semi with this structure but in the long run it offers a better chance for them to grow as opposed to getting a lucky draw and then going into the semi to be cannon fodder. The only competitive game kerry had last year was against dublin. Each year we are lucky to get 3 games against the top teams in the country. This was badly needed and I don't get why people are giving out, some people just like to give out no matter what. On another note, fair play to the gaa for looking to increase revenue, the game is becoming more and more professional and the association needs to move with this to be in a better position to support players as_ky (Kerry) - Posts: 535 - 26/02/2017 11:35:21 1960884 Link
Replying To neverright: "Who needs players - GAA would do fine without them" Never was it more apparent. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 26/02/2017 12:41:36 1960908 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "This is another thing i dont understand, people saying the super 8 is all about money. It a happy by product of the system with anumber of other advantages. Whats the problem with the GAA earning more money? All county funding comes form the GAA, surely incresed revenue is a good thing to develop the game." Yes more money is a good thing but will it benefit the so called lesser teams? yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 26/02/2017 12:49:31 1960914 Link
Replying To MesAmis: " As a club player, it's safe to say that this will be my last year playing GAA. No thoughts at all about the club player with this motion passing. I call on all club teams to pull their county players back. We're sick of it! galwayfan (All) - Posts:489 - 25/02/2017 12:40:00 ?????? So because they have now given more time to the clubs you won't be playing club anymore?" It won't give more time to the clubs, in fact it will have the opposite effect. In fairness to the lad he is a current club player at the coalface experiencing the reality of the situation. The history in Galway shows that prior to any of the counties C'ship games in the All Irl club games are postponed anything from a month to two weeks prior to the games, so despite the All Irl dates brought forward more dates will be lost through the new Super 8. Also as he is a club player, if he was a member of the CPA he would be very annoyed at the Galway delegates who voicferously objected to the motion for official recognition of the CPA, these delegates are supposed to be representing this lad & his club & they are doing the opposite. Don't talk to me about democracy in Gaa either as is apparent on the HS poll here where there was three quarters against Super 8 & the entire playing m'ship represented by the CPA & GPA & yet Delegates at Congress voted as directed by Croke Park. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 26/02/2017 12:58:15 1960916 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "Yes more money is a good thing but will it benefit the so called lesser teams?" That's a hypothetical argument at this point mate, its as equal asking will it not? I suppose my general point was people saying "this is all about the money" is not necessary a bad thing. The funding issue is a whole different debate, at a micro level audit and clear guidelines are needed to promote equity. But at a macro level at this point the financial rewards of a super 8 have to be looked at positively. I think at this point its probably better to earn the money then laud or criticise how its spent, thats maybe an argument for 12 months time! :) TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 26/02/2017 13:06:36 1960919 Link
The dead provincial series should have been disbanded and a group based championship brought in with seedings based on league standings. Why not guarantee leitrim or carlow a shot at the dubs or kerry at home? Build a bit of a buzz up around the place. Instead we now have an elitist super 8 stage. Something stinks. daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 26/02/2017 17:41:47 1961083 Link
Replying To daytona11: "The dead provincial series should have been disbanded and a group based championship brought in with seedings based on league standings. Why not guarantee leitrim or carlow a shot at the dubs or kerry at home? Build a bit of a buzz up around the place. Instead we now have an elitist super 8 stage. Something stinks." But they can't get rid of the provincial championships.It would never be passed through congress.This new super 8 is a step towards that because it makes the Provincial championships more irrelevant by having them run off really quickly. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 26/02/2017 17:57:30 1961105 Link
Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "But they can't get rid of the provincial championships.It would never be passed through congress.This new super 8 is a step towards that because it makes the Provincial championships more irrelevant by having them run off really quickly." It might get a two thirds majority. What good are the provincials doing for carlow, offaly , kildare , clare, leitrim and so on. This is a step towards extra revenue and nothing more. daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 26/02/2017 18:12:54 1961119 Link