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CPA - A Serious Question

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A solution? Make intercounty players professional and exclusive to the county game. Let the club players get on with it. Not fair to club players to be waiting on county players to play games. The club players are the majority here not the elite inter county players.

Chops (Westmeath) - Posts: 775 - 10/01/2017 13:44:12    1944543

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Anyone that isn't understanding this isn't involved in club fixtures. In Tipp it is nearly impossible to get a free weekend as you'll have the footballers playing one week and the hurkers the next and in fairness you need two weeks prep before a intercounty cship game. There are senior club teams in hurling playing only 4-5 competitive games for the year and some are months apart. Football the majority of teams could be playing less than that I'd guess and have months between them due to the fixture makers trying to squeeze in fixtures here and there. Anyone that doesn't play in or go to club matches regularly during the year aren't qualified to comment!!
This has to be tackled from the top down. If they want them running parallel then we need free weekends across the board where counties HAVE to schedule club games"
Tiobraid I am not trying to be argumentative but why do teams need 2 weeks to prepare for a game. It is, of course, unfair to equate to pro sport but soccer, rugby, american football, basketball etc. do not need anywhere close to that amount of time. The football qualifiers has actually shown that a certain momentum can be gained from playing every week. Just a thought though and I am interested to hear yours.

Fair point regarding the challenge the CPA will have addressing the individual needs of every counties fixtures. Virtually impossible.

breakingball22 (Louth) - Posts: 419 - 12/01/2017 12:13:44    1945124

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Replying To riverboys:  "I don't agree with the idea of playing All Ireland Finals on the August Bank holiday weekend, it's too early, an easier solution start the championships later and have a shorter season, in Connacht the first game v New York is on May bank holiday, the game v London is on June bank holiday, that's 4 weeks apart before the other 3 home counties get a game. Play the games on a shorter season, 2 weeks apart is enough. Biggest problems seems to be TV rights and the qualifiers, trying to get games played every weekend up to QF in Croke Park, this nonsense of the GAA having to juggle games just so RTE and Sky can show them. Any competition usually plays the quarter finals over 1 weekend, semis the same and have the 4 provincial finals played over 1 weekend, 2 on Saturday, 2 on Sunday, I can't understand why the Munster football final and the Leinster hurling final are played on the same day at different times just so the TV cameras broadcast it and vice versa for Leinster football and Munster hurling final. Can somebody please explain how a county team knocked out in round 1 of the qualifiers still can't finish their club championship until end of October, you can't blame the hurlers of Tipp and Kilkenny or the footballers of Dublin and Mayo for other counties not finishing their club champ early.
The solution seems fairly simple,
shorten the provincial championships and the football/hurling season,
County boards publish a calendar of fixtures and stick to it
Have the club championship matches reached the semi final stage by August bank holiday weekend
Get rid of most of these Mickey mouse club competitions, most clubs want the League and the championship and with junior clubs maybe a divisional champ, at the end of the day clubs will play maximum 25 matches, most will play around 15-20 so they need a proper fixture list"
Senior teams averaging 13/15 games per year & that's faitly accurate. Junior teams playing on average 5 games across the year which is a disgrace.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 12/01/2017 12:56:12    1945140

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Replying To moc.dna:  "Senior teams averaging 13/15 games per year & that's faitly accurate. Junior teams playing on average 5 games across the year which is a disgrace."
Where you getting those figures from???
That's the table from the middle of august in fermanagh. Doesn't even include their championship games.
SFL 1
Pos. Team P W L D F A Pts
1 Roslea 17 12 4 1 273 227 25
2 Derrygonnelly 17 12 5 0 315 209 24
3 Erne Gaels 17 11 5 1 285 226 23
4 Teemore 17 9 5 3 246 219 21
5 Ederney 17 8 7 2 243 249 18
6 Irvinestown 17 7 7 3 270 268 17
7 Devenish 17 8 8 1 249 248 17
8 Belcoo 17 5 11 1 211 257 11
9 Maguiresbridge 17 4 11 2 228 301 10
10 Tempo 17 1 14 2 168 284 4
SFL 2
Pos. Team P W L D F A Pts
1 St Pats 17 15 2 0 365 178 30
2 Kinawley 16 14 2 0 268 155 28
3 Newtownbutler 17 12 3 2 271 209 26
4 Aghadrumsee 17 10 6 1 267 216 21
5 Lisnaskea 17 10 7 0 270 231 20
6 Enniskillen 16 4 9 3 203 219 11
7 Derrylin 17 4 11 2 216 273 10
8 Belnaleck 16 3 10 3 203 247 9
9 Coa 15 2 12 1 136 256 5
10 Brookeboro 16 2 14 0 134 349 4

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 12/01/2017 13:23:20    1945148

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Anybody that thinks the clubs should do without the county players, I would be interested to know how many players from their clubs are on county teams? My own club could have 2 or 3 on both the hurling and football panels. We lose them and we may go back playing junior.

Also the poster saying its too early having the All Irelands in August - why?
Why do club players have to be playing the biggest games of their lives in Oct / Nov when chances are the weather will be freezing cold?

Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts: 186 - 12/01/2017 15:57:54    1945211

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Replying To gotmilk:  "Where you getting those figures from???
That's the table from the middle of august in fermanagh. Doesn't even include their championship games.
SFL 1
Pos. Team P W L D F A Pts
1 Roslea 17 12 4 1 273 227 25
2 Derrygonnelly 17 12 5 0 315 209 24
3 Erne Gaels 17 11 5 1 285 226 23
4 Teemore 17 9 5 3 246 219 21
5 Ederney 17 8 7 2 243 249 18
6 Irvinestown 17 7 7 3 270 268 17
7 Devenish 17 8 8 1 249 248 17
8 Belcoo 17 5 11 1 211 257 11
9 Maguiresbridge 17 4 11 2 228 301 10
10 Tempo 17 1 14 2 168 284 4
SFL 2
Pos. Team P W L D F A Pts
1 St Pats 17 15 2 0 365 178 30
2 Kinawley 16 14 2 0 268 155 28
3 Newtownbutler 17 12 3 2 271 209 26
4 Aghadrumsee 17 10 6 1 267 216 21
5 Lisnaskea 17 10 7 0 270 231 20
6 Enniskillen 16 4 9 3 203 219 11
7 Derrylin 17 4 11 2 216 273 10
8 Belnaleck 16 3 10 3 203 247 9
9 Coa 15 2 12 1 136 256 5
10 Brookeboro 16 2 14 0 134 349 4"
Go to the Galway Gaa website, click on football results, scroll down & you will get links to the different competitions, you can even analyse it & do a statistical table as I have done over the last two years. If you want to see a real scandal look up the U21 football competitions for 2014/15/16 & see how few games & how they start in one calendar year & finish in the next. By the way to date Galway Gaa are not running an U21 competition for 2017.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 12/01/2017 17:39:49    1945253

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I'm just throwing this out there, I know it will never happen but I think it's a good idea. What if this year's county champions represented their county for next years inter county championship. They could play in inter county championship and abstain from local championship for that year, meaning you will have a different county champion in every county every year, and chances are, a really competitive inter county championship with club teams from so-called weaker counties able to compete with each other better than say Wexford with Kilkenny at the moment. Oulart, as an example, would hold no fear of anyone in Leinster. The fixture's problem would not be a problem anymore. I know it's a flawed plan and will never even be considered but it would be a fair carrot to add to the bonus of winning a county title. P.s, I know there's already a club championship, but wouldn't it be great to see the best club players playing in proper summer weather

Monica (Wexford) - Posts: 31 - 12/01/2017 21:55:22    1945325

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Replying To Monica:  "I'm just throwing this out there, I know it will never happen but I think it's a good idea. What if this year's county champions represented their county for next years inter county championship. They could play in inter county championship and abstain from local championship for that year, meaning you will have a different county champion in every county every year, and chances are, a really competitive inter county championship with club teams from so-called weaker counties able to compete with each other better than say Wexford with Kilkenny at the moment. Oulart, as an example, would hold no fear of anyone in Leinster. The fixture's problem would not be a problem anymore. I know it's a flawed plan and will never even be considered but it would be a fair carrot to add to the bonus of winning a county title. P.s, I know there's already a club championship, but wouldn't it be great to see the best club players playing in proper summer weather"
We do get to see the best club players play in the summer months...it's the intercounty championship.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 12/01/2017 23:41:03    1945356

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Replying To moc.dna:  "Go to the Galway Gaa website, click on football results, scroll down & you will get links to the different competitions, you can even analyse it & do a statistical table as I have done over the last two years. If you want to see a real scandal look up the U21 football competitions for 2014/15/16 & see how few games & how they start in one calendar year & finish in the next. By the way to date Galway Gaa are not running an U21 competition for 2017."
Could you send me a link to those stats? I genuinely would be interested in reading those stats and stats from other counties.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 12/01/2017 23:42:38    1945357

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Replying To Monica:  "I'm just throwing this out there, I know it will never happen but I think it's a good idea. What if this year's county champions represented their county for next years inter county championship. They could play in inter county championship and abstain from local championship for that year, meaning you will have a different county champion in every county every year, and chances are, a really competitive inter county championship with club teams from so-called weaker counties able to compete with each other better than say Wexford with Kilkenny at the moment. Oulart, as an example, would hold no fear of anyone in Leinster. The fixture's problem would not be a problem anymore. I know it's a flawed plan and will never even be considered but it would be a fair carrot to add to the bonus of winning a county title. P.s, I know there's already a club championship, but wouldn't it be great to see the best club players playing in proper summer weather"
I'd be in favour of scrapping inter county championship myself and having a really good club championship from Spring to September with maybe a break for a few weeks to coincide with builders holidays so lads could book a holiday away.
If people wanted to have the elite playing against each other there could be a league played off over 6 - 8 weeks at the end of the year.

Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts: 186 - 13/01/2017 09:35:10    1945383

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Replying To Monica:  "I'm just throwing this out there, I know it will never happen but I think it's a good idea. What if this year's county champions represented their county for next years inter county championship. They could play in inter county championship and abstain from local championship for that year, meaning you will have a different county champion in every county every year, and chances are, a really competitive inter county championship with club teams from so-called weaker counties able to compete with each other better than say Wexford with Kilkenny at the moment. Oulart, as an example, would hold no fear of anyone in Leinster. The fixture's problem would not be a problem anymore. I know it's a flawed plan and will never even be considered but it would be a fair carrot to add to the bonus of winning a county title. P.s, I know there's already a club championship, but wouldn't it be great to see the best club players playing in proper summer weather"
To be honest its probably too late now to do that but its a pity that system wasn't continued with from the start of the GAA, it would have led to a more equal and balanced structure that the present inter county system, what you would have seen happen would be each county would have coalesced around a number of strong clubs - in counties like Tipperary, Cork, Kilkenny you would see quite a few strong clubs, in Limerick, Wexford, Clare etc. you might have a smaller number but equally strong clubs, In laois or Westmeath you might have only one or two strong clubs - it would have made for great competition that could have incorporated all areas of Ireland rather than the present system of an elite level of 5-6 teams.

73forever (Limerick) - Posts: 89 - 13/01/2017 10:28:56    1945395

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I'm just throwing this out there, I know it will never happen but I think it's a good idea. What if this year's county champions represented their county for next years inter county championship. They could play in inter county championship and abstain from local championship for that year, meaning you will have a different county champion in every county every year, and chances are, a really competitive inter county championship with club teams from so-called weaker counties able to compete with each other better than say Wexford with Kilkenny at the moment. Oulart, as an example, would hold no fear of anyone in Leinster. The fixture's problem would not be a problem anymore. I know it's a flawed plan and will never even be considered but it would be a fair carrot to add to the bonus of winning a county title. P.s, I know there's already a club championship, but wouldn't it be great to see the best club players playing in proper summer weather
Monica (Wexford) - Posts:22 - 12/01/2017 21:55:22 That weakens the inter county championship. Crowds would be lower. Interest would be lower. You can get the best club players playing in proper summer weather with better management from clubs and county boards and players demanding change and not putting up with endless delays

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 13/01/2017 11:19:11    1945412

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To be fair to county boards it's incredibly difficult to come up with a fixture planner at the start of the season with the current inter county season.

The qualifiers make it really tricky. When the county teams is playing is dependent on results. For some counties it's dependent on results in 2 codes.

That's why a central body is needed.

There is no reason the All Ireland final can't be played on the August bank holiday.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 13/01/2017 21:12:09    1945555

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Problem is that most county fixtures planners seem incapable of setting out a proper calender of fixtures for the forthcoming year, with planned breaks from championship activity and breaks to allow teams to train.
the county fixtures are more or less known. so create a plan, and stick to it

Like, it is mid January now, how many counties have their fixtures planned for the year?

clubs should be starting league games in March, finishing up in October

Club players should be able to look at the calendar and go and book some holidays with their families. Surely that is the minimum that they should expect

manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts: 541 - 15/01/2017 17:35:38    1945860

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It is all very well for lads from tyrone, fermanagh, louth and cavan etc to not understand why fixtures are a problem, because ye dont bother with hurling. If you tried to run a county football championship, county hurling championship, county football league and county hurling league then you would know why even counties beaten early in championship struggle to get club championships played in time. Add in the difficulty with having to play under 21 at weekends in september and october. If for example a club has a team in an under 21 semi final, a team in a junior football semi final and a team in a intermediate hurling semi final, these will have to be arranged around one another on seperate weekends. Then what happens if there is a replay, more delay.

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 19/01/2017 09:33:39    1946870

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Replying To 890202:  "It is all very well for lads from tyrone, fermanagh, louth and cavan etc to not understand why fixtures are a problem, because ye dont bother with hurling. If you tried to run a county football championship, county hurling championship, county football league and county hurling league then you would know why even counties beaten early in championship struggle to get club championships played in time. Add in the difficulty with having to play under 21 at weekends in september and october. If for example a club has a team in an under 21 semi final, a team in a junior football semi final and a team in a intermediate hurling semi final, these will have to be arranged around one another on seperate weekends. Then what happens if there is a replay, more delay."
How many duel clubs are there in Wexford?

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 19/01/2017 10:29:27    1946896

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