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Replying To The_Fridge: "From the Tyrone forum it's clear from your posts that you have an agenda against MH. It's clear to see. Any chance to stick the boot in you do. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you because I know that's what you want. Probably best to leave it at that.
Merry Christmas too you." I've no agenda against anyone but nor is Mickey Harte beyond critique just as a point of conversation. So put the toys back in pram.
My only 'agenda' has ever been the county board v club fixtures which as a player, I feel I have every right to voice my opinon. Mickey Harte obviously has a say in that, but so too does Roisin Jordan and other names. Feel free to find any post where I've shown this supposed agenda v Mickey Harte or any single Tyrone player. I've stated there are good players not in the county panel - do you consider this 'outrageous'? How dare I suggest someone might be a decent player - does only Mickey Harte have an acceptable opinon?
My post in this thread is there for discussion if you wish. Tyrone faded against Mayo (when Mayo got stuck into them). I don't think anyone can argue with that. Perhaps Tyrone could have sneaked the draw but they were never winning that game once Cavanagh saw the line. I don't think I'm being harsh on Tyrone. The red card is a matter of opinons, maybe it was, maybe it wasn't....but it happened.
As for Dublin, Tyrone didn't earn the right to play the Dubs (or Tipperary). Do I think they would have beat them? No....I'll even give you a reason why. I consider Dublin the best team I've ever seen - to beat them you need to do absolutely everything correct - to beat them you need to outscore them, Tyrone do not have a regular accurate Dean Rock who will punish every foul which Dublin (as every top team) knows. You can foul Tyrone players anywhere in and around the opposition 45 and the county is unable to punish, even the biggest Tyrone fan would accept this. So I don't see how you can beat Dublin 15 v 15 with free takers who cannot punish every single mistake like Dublin would.
I can see why you think Tyrone would give Dublin a game, athletic and vibrant and everyone of them could probably cover 70 metres in Olympic time - they are all even winners at senior and underage level now. But Tyrone lack targets in their scoring area, a lot of the county forwards are the same ilk of player. Dublin can afford to drop one of the greatest players of his generation, Bernard Brogan for god sake. We will see who is correct next year should they meet in the white heat of battle.
GetOverTheBar (Tyrone) - Posts: 1388 - 26/12/2016 08:58:43
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Replying To GetOverTheBar: "I've no agenda against anyone but nor is Mickey Harte beyond critique just as a point of conversation. So put the toys back in pram.
My only 'agenda' has ever been the county board v club fixtures which as a player, I feel I have every right to voice my opinon. Mickey Harte obviously has a say in that, but so too does Roisin Jordan and other names. Feel free to find any post where I've shown this supposed agenda v Mickey Harte or any single Tyrone player. I've stated there are good players not in the county panel - do you consider this 'outrageous'? How dare I suggest someone might be a decent player - does only Mickey Harte have an acceptable opinon?
My post in this thread is there for discussion if you wish. Tyrone faded against Mayo (when Mayo got stuck into them). I don't think anyone can argue with that. Perhaps Tyrone could have sneaked the draw but they were never winning that game once Cavanagh saw the line. I don't think I'm being harsh on Tyrone. The red card is a matter of opinons, maybe it was, maybe it wasn't....but it happened.
As for Dublin, Tyrone didn't earn the right to play the Dubs (or Tipperary). Do I think they would have beat them? No....I'll even give you a reason why. I consider Dublin the best team I've ever seen - to beat them you need to do absolutely everything correct - to beat them you need to outscore them, Tyrone do not have a regular accurate Dean Rock who will punish every foul which Dublin (as every top team) knows. You can foul Tyrone players anywhere in and around the opposition 45 and the county is unable to punish, even the biggest Tyrone fan would accept this. So I don't see how you can beat Dublin 15 v 15 with free takers who cannot punish every single mistake like Dublin would.
I can see why you think Tyrone would give Dublin a game, athletic and vibrant and everyone of them could probably cover 70 metres in Olympic time - they are all even winners at senior and underage level now. But Tyrone lack targets in their scoring area, a lot of the county forwards are the same ilk of player. Dublin can afford to drop one of the greatest players of his generation, Bernard Brogan for god sake. We will see who is correct next year should they meet in the white heat of battle." You say Tyrone are in the top 5/6 teams in Ireland by default due to other counties falling by the way side. Which counties may I ask? Have any counties improved during that time?
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 26/12/2016 13:00:39
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Replying To GetOverTheBar: "I've no agenda against anyone but nor is Mickey Harte beyond critique just as a point of conversation. So put the toys back in pram.
My only 'agenda' has ever been the county board v club fixtures which as a player, I feel I have every right to voice my opinon. Mickey Harte obviously has a say in that, but so too does Roisin Jordan and other names. Feel free to find any post where I've shown this supposed agenda v Mickey Harte or any single Tyrone player. I've stated there are good players not in the county panel - do you consider this 'outrageous'? How dare I suggest someone might be a decent player - does only Mickey Harte have an acceptable opinon?
My post in this thread is there for discussion if you wish. Tyrone faded against Mayo (when Mayo got stuck into them). I don't think anyone can argue with that. Perhaps Tyrone could have sneaked the draw but they were never winning that game once Cavanagh saw the line. I don't think I'm being harsh on Tyrone. The red card is a matter of opinons, maybe it was, maybe it wasn't....but it happened.
As for Dublin, Tyrone didn't earn the right to play the Dubs (or Tipperary). Do I think they would have beat them? No....I'll even give you a reason why. I consider Dublin the best team I've ever seen - to beat them you need to do absolutely everything correct - to beat them you need to outscore them, Tyrone do not have a regular accurate Dean Rock who will punish every foul which Dublin (as every top team) knows. You can foul Tyrone players anywhere in and around the opposition 45 and the county is unable to punish, even the biggest Tyrone fan would accept this. So I don't see how you can beat Dublin 15 v 15 with free takers who cannot punish every single mistake like Dublin would.
I can see why you think Tyrone would give Dublin a game, athletic and vibrant and everyone of them could probably cover 70 metres in Olympic time - they are all even winners at senior and underage level now. But Tyrone lack targets in their scoring area, a lot of the county forwards are the same ilk of player. Dublin can afford to drop one of the greatest players of his generation, Bernard Brogan for god sake. We will see who is correct next year should they meet in the white heat of battle." Also you have stated that you don't even go to Tyrone games so what makes you an expert??
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 26/12/2016 13:09:36
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Replying To GetOverTheBar: "I've no agenda against anyone but nor is Mickey Harte beyond critique just as a point of conversation. So put the toys back in pram.
My only 'agenda' has ever been the county board v club fixtures which as a player, I feel I have every right to voice my opinon. Mickey Harte obviously has a say in that, but so too does Roisin Jordan and other names. Feel free to find any post where I've shown this supposed agenda v Mickey Harte or any single Tyrone player. I've stated there are good players not in the county panel - do you consider this 'outrageous'? How dare I suggest someone might be a decent player - does only Mickey Harte have an acceptable opinon?
My post in this thread is there for discussion if you wish. Tyrone faded against Mayo (when Mayo got stuck into them). I don't think anyone can argue with that. Perhaps Tyrone could have sneaked the draw but they were never winning that game once Cavanagh saw the line. I don't think I'm being harsh on Tyrone. The red card is a matter of opinons, maybe it was, maybe it wasn't....but it happened.
As for Dublin, Tyrone didn't earn the right to play the Dubs (or Tipperary). Do I think they would have beat them? No....I'll even give you a reason why. I consider Dublin the best team I've ever seen - to beat them you need to do absolutely everything correct - to beat them you need to outscore them, Tyrone do not have a regular accurate Dean Rock who will punish every foul which Dublin (as every top team) knows. You can foul Tyrone players anywhere in and around the opposition 45 and the county is unable to punish, even the biggest Tyrone fan would accept this. So I don't see how you can beat Dublin 15 v 15 with free takers who cannot punish every single mistake like Dublin would.
I can see why you think Tyrone would give Dublin a game, athletic and vibrant and everyone of them could probably cover 70 metres in Olympic time - they are all even winners at senior and underage level now. But Tyrone lack targets in their scoring area, a lot of the county forwards are the same ilk of player. Dublin can afford to drop one of the greatest players of his generation, Bernard Brogan for god sake. We will see who is correct next year should they meet in the white heat of battle." I have said numerous times I am indifferent to county football,
Direct quote from you Get over the bar. You have said numerous times about you're dislike for the county. I came very easily get the quotes if needs be.
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 26/12/2016 13:15:57
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Replying To GetOverTheBar: "I've no agenda against anyone but nor is Mickey Harte beyond critique just as a point of conversation. So put the toys back in pram.
My only 'agenda' has ever been the county board v club fixtures which as a player, I feel I have every right to voice my opinon. Mickey Harte obviously has a say in that, but so too does Roisin Jordan and other names. Feel free to find any post where I've shown this supposed agenda v Mickey Harte or any single Tyrone player. I've stated there are good players not in the county panel - do you consider this 'outrageous'? How dare I suggest someone might be a decent player - does only Mickey Harte have an acceptable opinon?
My post in this thread is there for discussion if you wish. Tyrone faded against Mayo (when Mayo got stuck into them). I don't think anyone can argue with that. Perhaps Tyrone could have sneaked the draw but they were never winning that game once Cavanagh saw the line. I don't think I'm being harsh on Tyrone. The red card is a matter of opinons, maybe it was, maybe it wasn't....but it happened.
As for Dublin, Tyrone didn't earn the right to play the Dubs (or Tipperary). Do I think they would have beat them? No....I'll even give you a reason why. I consider Dublin the best team I've ever seen - to beat them you need to do absolutely everything correct - to beat them you need to outscore them, Tyrone do not have a regular accurate Dean Rock who will punish every foul which Dublin (as every top team) knows. You can foul Tyrone players anywhere in and around the opposition 45 and the county is unable to punish, even the biggest Tyrone fan would accept this. So I don't see how you can beat Dublin 15 v 15 with free takers who cannot punish every single mistake like Dublin would.
I can see why you think Tyrone would give Dublin a game, athletic and vibrant and everyone of them could probably cover 70 metres in Olympic time - they are all even winners at senior and underage level now. But Tyrone lack targets in their scoring area, a lot of the county forwards are the same ilk of player. Dublin can afford to drop one of the greatest players of his generation, Bernard Brogan for god sake. We will see who is correct next year should they meet in the white heat of battle." Another classic "I've no interest in Mickey Harte's feelings nor am I an avid Tyrone "fan".
Yet you are an expert on all things Tyrone.
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 26/12/2016 13:32:16
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Replying To The_Fridge: "Another classic "I've no interest in Mickey Harte's feelings nor am I an avid Tyrone "fan".
Yet you are an expert on all things Tyrone." To be fair to the guy he's not saying anything anything particularly unrealistic here.
County management with too much control over the club game would annoy me also.
As for Tyrone's place in the game I'd say consensus would have them 4 or 5th. Roughly around the same level as Donegal and behind Dublin, Mayo and Kerry.
The likes of Donegal and Cork have dropped back a bit.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 26/12/2016 16:09:47
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Replying To Whammo86: "To be fair to the guy he's not saying anything anything particularly unrealistic here.
County management with too much control over the club game would annoy me also.
As for Tyrone's place in the game I'd say consensus would have them 4 or 5th. Roughly around the same level as Donegal and behind Dublin, Mayo and Kerry.
The likes of Donegal and Cork have dropped back a bit." Less than Donegal but we still bet them this year ? There's very little between Dublin mayo and Tyrone at the minute . Maybe two years ago yes but Tyrone are not slipping back because they list by one point to a team that probably should have beat Dublin first time around . If anything the way it stands is Dublin , Mayo then Tyrone followers by a Kerry team who got a little bit lucky to even stay in the game against Dublin , then Donegal and tipp not far behind them
GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 30/12/2016 12:36:44
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Replying To GameOfTyrones: "Less than Donegal but we still bet them this year ? There's very little between Dublin mayo and Tyrone at the minute . Maybe two years ago yes but Tyrone are not slipping back because they list by one point to a team that probably should have beat Dublin first time around . If anything the way it stands is Dublin , Mayo then Tyrone followers by a Kerry team who got a little bit lucky to even stay in the game against Dublin , then Donegal and tipp not far behind them" There are 4 teams chasing Dublin. Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal.
There's not much between any of you.
There aren't enough proper games in the GAA to firmly rank teams.
Theres a decent drop off to the chasing pack.
I would not consider Tipp particularly close.
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Look if people start thinking about what ifs and maybes you will go daft, 1 line says it all 'if your aunt had grainneogs she'd be your uncle', I said that bit as gaeilge
riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 30/12/2016 21:41:39
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Go easy
The man has won 3 all irelands with tyrone teams
I think in 2017 they are probably going to be closest to the dubs ... unlike mayo they will have learnt from the mistakes of 2016 ... and their ahead of kerry in the rebuilding stakes ..... I dunno have a sneaking feeling if anyone will dethrone the dubs twill b mickey Hartest tyrone !
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Replying To Whammo86: "There are 4 teams chasing Dublin. Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal.
There's not much between any of you.
There aren't enough proper games in the GAA to firmly rank teams.
Theres a decent drop off to the chasing pack.
I would not consider Tipp particularly close." Right u are sir
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Replying To Whammo86: "There are 4 teams chasing Dublin. Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal.
There's not much between any of you.
There aren't enough proper games in the GAA to firmly rank teams.
Theres a decent drop off to the chasing pack.
I would not consider Tipp particularly close." I dont know who will be available to Tipp footballers for 2017 but they achieved a semi final place with what was a bare bones squad. I can only imagine more top players will make themselves available next year so I wouldn't totally dismiss them as a force in 17.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 31/12/2016 00:30:21
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Replying To rossy15: "Go easy
The man has won 3 all irelands with tyrone teams
I think in 2017 they are probably going to be closest to the dubs ... unlike mayo they will have learnt from the mistakes of 2016 ... and their ahead of kerry in the rebuilding stakes ..... I dunno have a sneaking feeling if anyone will dethrone the dubs twill b mickey Hartest tyrone !" to be fair, i dont think Tyrone learned from the mistakes of the previous year. They still need to find a reliable free taker and their full forward line needs to deliver more goals in big matches. This was the blueprint after losing to Kerry last year and i believe its the same after this years campaign. I hope they do get it right in 2017, but they are gona have to come up with something better than this years performance. They're not far away though.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 31/12/2016 00:42:27
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Replying To SaffronDon: "I dont know who will be available to Tipp footballers for 2017 but they achieved a semi final place with what was a bare bones squad. I can only imagine more top players will make themselves available next year so I wouldn't totally dismiss them as a force in 17." They had a good season last year in the championship.
They are still division 3 though.
It was their first proper championship run in the entire history of the qualifiers. I know they've done well at underage but still I think they need to have another good year to start being spoken about alongside the top teams.
They're due to face Cork in the Munster semifinal if Cork beat Waterford. I'd absolutely bite your hand off to back Cork at evens to make the Munster final.
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Replying To SaffronDon: "to be fair, i dont think Tyrone learned from the mistakes of the previous year. They still need to find a reliable free taker and their full forward line needs to deliver more goals in big matches. This was the blueprint after losing to Kerry last year and i believe its the same after this years campaign. I hope they do get it right in 2017, but they are gona have to come up with something better than this years performance. They're not far away though." I think Dublin are still the team to beat. Mayo are probably next and Tyrone are third. Their problem is that they never found equal replacement for Mulligan, and S O Neill.
I feel that Mickie is too fond of sticking by his guns. I think Mattie Donnelly, Peter Harte, Sean Cavanagh would all make great forwards but why are they playing a role that others could fill.
border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 31/12/2016 23:40:11
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Replying To Whammo86: "They had a good season last year in the championship.
They are still division 3 though.
It was their first proper championship run in the entire history of the qualifiers. I know they've done well at underage but still I think they need to have another good year to start being spoken about alongside the top teams.
They're due to face Cork in the Munster semifinal if Cork beat Waterford. I'd absolutely bite your hand off to back Cork at evens to make the Munster final." i get what your saying about Tipp but if they start this year with the same spirit from last years championship and add strength in numbers I'd put them well above the usual candidates like Galway, Cavan, Roscommon etc who end up disappointing every year come championship time.
I wouldn't be as quick to take that Cork bet either. I could easily add them to that list of let down teams above. They generally get caught cold AT LEAST once a championship and it wouldn't surprise me if it came against Tipp.
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