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Gender Quotas to be applied to Sports Bodies

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Donegal? ;-)

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 19/12/2016 11:19:28    1940922

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Keep the women out of the mens sport and the men out of womens, either have no business being there!

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 19/12/2016 20:59:47    1941034

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "Yeah you're right, and you know what else I saw a channel dedicated just to children the other day it's an absolute disgrace!

Now where can I find reruns of Top Gear, preferably on a channel with a guys name, and maybe some brilliant tagline like "The Home of Witty Banter""
Ah, JoeSoap, ya know what, your hilarious, I don't watch childrens programmes so I can't comment on that, as for Top Gear I don't thing that fellow does that programme any more, but if you do connect with Top Gear, don't attempt to drink and drive. - - - you might spill it.
Happy Christmas.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2908 - 19/12/2016 21:03:20    1941036

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What does not all men even mean?

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 19/12/2016 22:37:17    1941063

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Replying To alano12:  "What does not all men even mean?"
It started trending in response to more awareness regarding rape culture and everyday misogyny, where people would say "not all men are like that" which is of course true but also completely misses the point and doesn't address the rape culture or everyday misogyny. It was a throwaway comment in here in response to someone just bringing up a different issue to this gender quota. It's the kind of whataboutery that doesn't address the actual point. Didn't mean anything by it other than that.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 20/12/2016 10:05:12    1941085

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Replying To Offside_Rule:  ""The Home of Witty Banter"

Donegal? ;-)"
You know it a chara!

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 20/12/2016 10:11:39    1941088

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Replying To supersub15:  "Ah, JoeSoap, ya know what, your hilarious, I don't watch childrens programmes so I can't comment on that, as for Top Gear I don't thing that fellow does that programme any more, but if you do connect with Top Gear, don't attempt to drink and drive. - - - you might spill it.
Happy Christmas."
Happy Christmas to you as well - the only part of that post I could make sense of

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 20/12/2016 10:13:18    1941089

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "It started trending in response to more awareness regarding rape culture and everyday misogyny, where people would say "not all men are like that" which is of course true but also completely misses the point and doesn't address the rape culture or everyday misogyny. It was a throwaway comment in here in response to someone just bringing up a different issue to this gender quota. It's the kind of whataboutery that doesn't address the actual point. Didn't mean anything by it other than that."
are you a woman joesoap as a matter of interest?

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/12/2016 10:53:10    1941100

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "It started trending in response to more awareness regarding rape culture and everyday misogyny, where people would say "not all men are like that" which is of course true but also completely misses the point and doesn't address the rape culture or everyday misogyny. It was a throwaway comment in here in response to someone just bringing up a different issue to this gender quota. It's the kind of whataboutery that doesn't address the actual point. Didn't mean anything by it other than that."
rape culture?

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/12/2016 11:21:07    1941113

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Replying To alano12:  "are you a woman joesoap as a matter of interest?"
No I'm not a woman, not that it matters. I'm assuming by your question mark after rape culture you've either never heard of it or are one of the folks who don't "believe" in it. Educate yourself if you haven't heard of it, and well if it's the latter it's for the best we don't continue with this conversation.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 20/12/2016 14:10:36    1941165

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "No I'm not a woman, not that it matters. I'm assuming by your question mark after rape culture you've either never heard of it or are one of the folks who don't "believe" in it. Educate yourself if you haven't heard of it, and well if it's the latter it's for the best we don't continue with this conversation."
Why are you introducing a topic of that nature on to this forum ?

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 20/12/2016 16:35:37    1941206

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Why are you introducing a topic of that nature on to this forum ?"
I was explaining the use of "not all men", which I have previously explained I used as an example of the whataboutery that comes into play with these issues.

It's all there in my previous posts, but I can copy and paste them together for you again if you need.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 20/12/2016 17:05:09    1941223

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "I was explaining the use of "not all men", which I have previously explained I used as an example of the whataboutery that comes into play with these issues.

It's all there in my previous posts, but I can copy and paste them together for you again if you need."
I went back to the point where you introduced the phrase "not all men". You threw it at me when I wrote about gender imbalance in teaching. It was in relation to your perception that the point I was making was an example of what you termed "whataboutery" . Your introduction of the phrase "not all men" in that context was a little peculiar to say the least. So is your introduction of "rape culture".

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 20/12/2016 18:07:13    1941240

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "No I'm not a woman, not that it matters. I'm assuming by your question mark after rape culture you've either never heard of it or are one of the folks who don't "believe" in it. Educate yourself if you haven't heard of it, and well if it's the latter it's for the best we don't continue with this conversation."
why?..very extremist viewpoint to have..almost like a gender quota..just wondering because lot of the points you make sound exactly like your standard feminist article these days...im perfectly content where my education is at though

was just wondering on gender as would like to get view point of women involved in gaa at a pretty decent level on these quotas

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/12/2016 18:08:08    1941241

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Replying To Greengrass:  "I went back to the point where you introduced the phrase "not all men". You threw it at me when I wrote about gender imbalance in teaching. It was in relation to your perception that the point I was making was an example of what you termed "whataboutery" . Your introduction of the phrase "not all men" in that context was a little peculiar to say the least. So is your introduction of "rape culture"."
Greengrass, as I mentioned previously I said not all men as a throwaway comment, because it's often brought up as a diversion from the actual point whenever debates re rape culture come up, so it's an example of what I feel is whataboutery which is what I feel your point re: teaching was, that's all. Just like saying "not all men" doesn't actually address the issues surrounding rape culture, so does saying "there are not enough male teachers in school" when talking about not enough women in sports. They are not directly related.

That's all. I've no doubt you and I are on the complete opposite sides of this debate so I don't really see the point in carrying on seeing as it's descended into me explaining my thinking and rationale for a turn of phrase.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 21/12/2016 12:56:02    1941400

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Replying To alano12:  "why?..very extremist viewpoint to have..almost like a gender quota..just wondering because lot of the points you make sound exactly like your standard feminist article these days...im perfectly content where my education is at though

was just wondering on gender as would like to get view point of women involved in gaa at a pretty decent level on these quotas"
What's extremist? I've no idea what your point is now to be honest you're just throwing vague statements out. "almost like a gender quota", what does that even mean? If I sound like a "standard feminist article" then... ok? I don't really get that point either. Is there a point?

I get the feeling you think feminism and any points I've raised are stupid, don't exist or something but seeing as you haven't actually addressed any of them I can't really tell. At least Greengrass nails the flag to the mast and I know where they stand on this issue.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 21/12/2016 13:04:10    1941402

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "What's extremist? I've no idea what your point is now to be honest you're just throwing vague statements out. "almost like a gender quota", what does that even mean? If I sound like a "standard feminist article" then... ok? I don't really get that point either. Is there a point?

I get the feeling you think feminism and any points I've raised are stupid, don't exist or something but seeing as you haven't actually addressed any of them I can't really tell. At least Greengrass nails the flag to the mast and I know where they stand on this issue."
i have consistently argued against a gender quota..its undemocratic....in relation to feminism yes id have a lot of issues with the narrative some are trying to create but thats a different debate altogether

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 21/12/2016 14:03:21    1941424

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "Greengrass, as I mentioned previously I said not all men as a throwaway comment, because it's often brought up as a diversion from the actual point whenever debates re rape culture come up, so it's an example of what I feel is whataboutery which is what I feel your point re: teaching was, that's all. Just like saying "not all men" doesn't actually address the issues surrounding rape culture, so does saying "there are not enough male teachers in school" when talking about not enough women in sports. They are not directly related.

That's all. I've no doubt you and I are on the complete opposite sides of this debate so I don't really see the point in carrying on seeing as it's descended into me explaining my thinking and rationale for a turn of phrase."
They are directly related. The debate on equality is not being looked at in it's totality. It is being looked a from a certain point of view . You're right we won't agree on this one but we may agree on some future topic.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 22/12/2016 02:16:01    1941559

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It's doable, but not workable, if the 30% male, 30% female and 40% others are fixed percentages. The question has to be asked who decided on those percentages, and who decided on the 40% others, in theory 40% others has the majority. My own view is, while I am all in favour of equality, I think this is a dangerous liaison, only because it's too much too soon.
The best person for the job creates a risk factor when selected from gender quotas, whoever coined the phrase, not all men are bad, he/she forgot to finish it by saying, not all women are good, that's debateable, as it's not a throwaway comment.
If this gender quota thing, in this case being applicable to sport is under the guise of political correctness then it's unlikely there will be any winners, being correct and being political correct are two different things imo.
Seeing as that they are going ahead with this, one way or another then, 15% female year one, 20% female year two, and 30% female tear three may have been a better option.
Feminising sport, politics, industry, banking, tourism etc, seems to be the way forward, - - -
Finally, the 30% number(s) will have to be set in stone, if not the only way to increase it or decrease it is to adjust the 40% number, that's another day's work.
It all started when they made Post man Pat redundant, then they scrapped Thomas the tank engine, then they traded in Tractor Tom for a "Mini" oh I could go on.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2908 - 22/12/2016 12:42:34    1941629

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Replying To alano12:  "i have consistently argued against a gender quota..its undemocratic....in relation to feminism yes id have a lot of issues with the narrative some are trying to create but thats a different debate altogether"
I was very very against positive discrimination in any form until recently too.

I felt it was just discrimination also and therefore just as unfair.

I have just my opinion now though.

Imbalances that exist today (across a number of aspects of life) are as a result of years of continued reinforcement.

Sometimes there needs to be action taken to redress the balance.

I'd be interested to get an insight into the rationale behind the 30% number. Was it just an arbitrary percentage?

It's not a particularly high bar is it. There could still be more than 2 men for every woman.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 22/12/2016 14:03:55    1941652

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