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"The Home of Witty Banter" Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 19/12/2016 11:19:28 1940922 Link 2 |
Keep the women out of the mens sport and the men out of womens, either have no business being there! KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 19/12/2016 20:59:47 1941034 Link 3 |
Ah, JoeSoap, ya know what, your hilarious, I don't watch childrens programmes so I can't comment on that, as for Top Gear I don't thing that fellow does that programme any more, but if you do connect with Top Gear, don't attempt to drink and drive. - - - you might spill it. Happy Christmas. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2908 - 19/12/2016 21:03:20 1941036 Link 0 |
What does not all men even mean? alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 19/12/2016 22:37:17 1941063 Link 0 |
It started trending in response to more awareness regarding rape culture and everyday misogyny, where people would say "not all men are like that" which is of course true but also completely misses the point and doesn't address the rape culture or everyday misogyny. It was a throwaway comment in here in response to someone just bringing up a different issue to this gender quota. It's the kind of whataboutery that doesn't address the actual point. Didn't mean anything by it other than that.
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 20/12/2016 10:05:12 1941085 Link 0 |
You know it a chara!
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 20/12/2016 10:11:39 1941088 Link 0 |
Happy Christmas to you as well - the only part of that post I could make sense of
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 20/12/2016 10:13:18 1941089 Link 0 |
are you a woman joesoap as a matter of interest?
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/12/2016 10:53:10 1941100 Link 0 |
rape culture?
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/12/2016 11:21:07 1941113 Link 0 |
No I'm not a woman, not that it matters. I'm assuming by your question mark after rape culture you've either never heard of it or are one of the folks who don't "believe" in it. Educate yourself if you haven't heard of it, and well if it's the latter it's for the best we don't continue with this conversation.
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 20/12/2016 14:10:36 1941165 Link 0 |
Why are you introducing a topic of that nature on to this forum ?
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 20/12/2016 16:35:37 1941206 Link 0 |
I was explaining the use of "not all men", which I have previously explained I used as an example of the whataboutery that comes into play with these issues. It's all there in my previous posts, but I can copy and paste them together for you again if you need. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 20/12/2016 17:05:09 1941223 Link 0 |
I went back to the point where you introduced the phrase "not all men". You threw it at me when I wrote about gender imbalance in teaching. It was in relation to your perception that the point I was making was an example of what you termed "whataboutery" . Your introduction of the phrase "not all men" in that context was a little peculiar to say the least. So is your introduction of "rape culture".
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 20/12/2016 18:07:13 1941240 Link 0 |
why?..very extremist viewpoint to have..almost like a gender quota..just wondering because lot of the points you make sound exactly like your standard feminist article these days...im perfectly content where my education is at though was just wondering on gender as would like to get view point of women involved in gaa at a pretty decent level on these quotas alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 20/12/2016 18:08:08 1941241 Link 0 |
Greengrass, as I mentioned previously I said not all men as a throwaway comment, because it's often brought up as a diversion from the actual point whenever debates re rape culture come up, so it's an example of what I feel is whataboutery which is what I feel your point re: teaching was, that's all. Just like saying "not all men" doesn't actually address the issues surrounding rape culture, so does saying "there are not enough male teachers in school" when talking about not enough women in sports. They are not directly related. That's all. I've no doubt you and I are on the complete opposite sides of this debate so I don't really see the point in carrying on seeing as it's descended into me explaining my thinking and rationale for a turn of phrase. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 21/12/2016 12:56:02 1941400 Link 0 |
What's extremist? I've no idea what your point is now to be honest you're just throwing vague statements out. "almost like a gender quota", what does that even mean? If I sound like a "standard feminist article" then... ok? I don't really get that point either. Is there a point? I get the feeling you think feminism and any points I've raised are stupid, don't exist or something but seeing as you haven't actually addressed any of them I can't really tell. At least Greengrass nails the flag to the mast and I know where they stand on this issue. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 21/12/2016 13:04:10 1941402 Link 0 |
i have consistently argued against a gender quota..its undemocratic....in relation to feminism yes id have a lot of issues with the narrative some are trying to create but thats a different debate altogether
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 21/12/2016 14:03:21 1941424 Link 0 |
They are directly related. The debate on equality is not being looked at in it's totality. It is being looked a from a certain point of view . You're right we won't agree on this one but we may agree on some future topic.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 22/12/2016 02:16:01 1941559 Link 0 |
It's doable, but not workable, if the 30% male, 30% female and 40% others are fixed percentages. The question has to be asked who decided on those percentages, and who decided on the 40% others, in theory 40% others has the majority. My own view is, while I am all in favour of equality, I think this is a dangerous liaison, only because it's too much too soon. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2908 - 22/12/2016 12:42:34 1941629 Link 3 |
I was very very against positive discrimination in any form until recently too. I felt it was just discrimination also and therefore just as unfair. I have just my opinion now though. Imbalances that exist today (across a number of aspects of life) are as a result of years of continued reinforcement. Sometimes there needs to be action taken to redress the balance. I'd be interested to get an insight into the rationale behind the 30% number. Was it just an arbitrary percentage? It's not a particularly high bar is it. There could still be more than 2 men for every woman. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4235 - 22/12/2016 14:03:55 1941652 Link 2 |