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Who mooted the argument and at what meeting stating that gender balance must be phased in over the next 2/3 years.? Cuhullain (Kildare) - Posts: 271 - 13/12/2016 21:47:38 1939993 Link 0 |
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Nope. Shows the level of interest men have in all sports . Now all that is needed according to the quota pushers is another 10% and we will have "balance".
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 13/12/2016 23:14:31 1940009 Link 0 |
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Of course they're serious. The references to the teaching profession highlight a glaring example of a serious gender imbalance in a profession that is absolutely vital in terms of encouraging both boys and girls to participate in sport from an early age . Encouraging girls ( I note boys were not referred to) to participate in sport is precisely the pretext for the introduction of these ridiculous quotas. Reference to the teaching profession is entirely relevant . Yet those who are advocating quotas including you blithely ignore it because it doesn't concur with your world view . As for redressing centuries of discrimination against women, the imposition of quotas on sporting organisations will only undermine the position of those women who will find themselves on the boards of directors because of their ability as opposed to their gender . Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 13/12/2016 23:27:41 1940011 Link 0 |
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and forcing women even if completely unqualified is true democracy?..best person for the job in my view regardless of gender
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 13/12/2016 23:47:53 1940013 Link 0 |
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not all men?
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 13/12/2016 23:48:20 1940014 Link 0 |
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Gender Quota - is that the same as the Milk Quota? Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 14/12/2016 08:36:16 1940024 Link 0 |
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Boards are representative bodies , they are suppose to represent their members interests. There are a thousands of female sports club members they should have at least some female representation at board level. Individual professions like primary teaching are not really comparable to representative bodies - boards, politicians. are there any barriers to entry for male teachers? . Nope , just some professions attract more males or females. Alano best person for the job is exactly what everyone wants but it is not happening because of historical gender inequality. These quotas are a push to re-balance things and then we will have a natural balance and level playing field in the future bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 14/12/2016 09:20:46 1940027 Link 0 |
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Oh for god sake, are you assuming that quotas mean Mary down the local Post Office will be parachuted in to be a senior board member for Ulster GAA? That's not the case whatsoever. There are plenty of women involved in all levels of GAA who this will be benefit, who will be given the opportunity now to prove themselves. There's also no slavery going on here, it's not as if anyone will be forced into a position they don't want. And AGAIN, I don't like quotas because they are NOT true democracy, but what we have isn't true democracy either yet you seem more than happy with the status quo? Something needs done and as long as this is part of a wider strategy to get more women involved at all levels then I am all for it. I just take issue with lads whingeing about PC gone mad/feminism because they feel like something is being taken away from them. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 14/12/2016 09:34:34 1940030 Link 0 |
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You're probably right in that. Ultimately the GAA will cope if this farcical PC nonsense is forced through. I imagine though it will be a bigger problem for the rugby authorities. And in that scenario it hasn't a snowball's chance of being implemented cos given the influence the IRFU have, if they oppose it it will be dead in the water
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1904 - 14/12/2016 10:44:28 1940038 Link 0 |
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While generally not a fan of gender quotas (I think the best person should always get the job regardless of gender or race etc), I think it would be a stretch to say that women get the same encourage and opportunities as men when it comes to senior positions, particularly in sport, which is still very male dominated. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 14/12/2016 11:22:07 1940046 Link 0 |
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Men are well represented in Ladies Football and Camogie - especially on the local county boards, the fact is if you amalgamated Ladies football, Camogie and the GAA the required quota's would be met or much easier to meet.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4897 - 14/12/2016 11:53:07 1940054 Link 0 |
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Htaem yes that could be a positive alright.. imagine women more interested in sport than in watching the soaps...more harmony in the home and no need for separate TVs when major sporting events are being televised. Pigs will fly too. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1904 - 14/12/2016 11:56:16 1940055 Link 0 |
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Yep I agree gender quotas are nonsense, pigs won't fly though, no wings lad.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 14/12/2016 12:38:08 1940059 Link 0 |
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Yeah agree. We just have to accept that there will always be things in society which are more male orientated and those which are more female. The very fact that we have different instincts and genetic tuning means we will have roles which suit one sex better than the other. It is generally accepted that women are more caring, emotional etc which is why you see more females taking up professions in nursing, teaching etc than males. Similarly, men would be in general accepted as being stronger or physical and as such professions like Farming, Trades etc are male dominated. Only a few weeks ago a report was released around stress and PTSD which highlighted that given the chemistry in the brain, females were more sensitive to the key stress hormone than males and also it was more prolonged compared to the male brain which was less sensitive and also cleared the hormone quicker from the body. Do you just ignore these factors of nature and say there still has to be quotas met? And if you go down the route (as society seems to be going over the last couple of decades) of introducing quotas based on Gender and for the purpose of having more balance in every workplace or piece of society then you could be creating a lot of problems. Rather than having it policy that you have to employ certain percentages of different genders it has to be the best person for the particular job that gets the job in all circumstances, if that is a man give it to the man, if it is a woman give it to the woman. That's not to say there isn't inequality in certain professions, or maybe companies more than professions, that could be defined gender equal (if using all factors like mentioned above) and these do need to be addressed. But slapping a quota I don't think is the way to go about it - look how it worked out for the PSNI in the 50/50 recruiting. And to use an example - would Arlene Foster be in the position she is in today had she not been female? There was a lot of media and general society talk that when Robinson left it was now time for the DUP to have a female leader. And despite the fact that a number of the other names put forward at that time were better positioned to take over the role, having worked up through the ranks of the party, they were overlooked. Not as obvious a gender quota thing but borne out of the same school of thought. Society doesn't always know best. Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 14/12/2016 12:56:34 1940062 Link 0 |
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Men are well represented in Ladies Football and Camogie - especially on the local county boards, the fact is if you amalgamated Ladies football, Camogie and the GAA the required quota's would be met or much easier to meet. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13717 - 14/12/2016 13:34:21 1940071 Link 0 |
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it wont though..it will put women on boards that they havent been added to in a natural way instead being forced there instead of merit which isnt a good thing...there should be a policy encouraging women to get more involved and greater women representation but a gender quota is not the answer
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 14/12/2016 15:05:20 1940109 Link 0 |
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I agree that the natural way would be the best way but we are starting from a very unnatural position of 100% male boards. A natural balance could take a very very long time...quotas speed up the re-balancing so a norm is established which will then continue naturally It should not be forgotten that a board of mixed male & female perspectives would be beneficial to the sporting bodies as another poster pointed out happened in their club. There are far more females from kids to grannies at Dublin matches now than when I started going in the 80s. They deserve some representation now, not only in decades to come bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 14/12/2016 18:55:57 1940159 Link 0 |
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Virgin media/TV3'S newly acquired UTV have rebranded it be3, and reading from the report it say's it will be a female focused channel, gender balance gone out the window and PC gone up in smoke, not my pc by the way but Political Correctness. (just an observation) supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2908 - 19/12/2016 10:12:56 1940907 Link 0 |
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I agree that the natural way would be the best way but we are starting from a very unnatural position of 100% male boards. A natural balance could take a very very long time...quotas speed up the re-balancing so a norm is established which will then continue naturally It should not be forgotten that a board of mixed male & female perspectives would be beneficial to the sporting bodies as another poster pointed out happened in their club. There are far more females from kids to grannies at Dublin matches now than when I started going in the 80s. They deserve some representation now, not only in decades to come"]I don't agree at all bad.monkey. Thankfully the idea of financial penalties is off the table. That would have hurt participants. The only way to remedy this particular situation is to put in place a pathway for aspiring female administrators to follow . That is an organic and sustainable solution to the perceived problem. Quotas are crude, blunt, lazy instruments that would only serve to undermine the credibility of those who are imposed in to positions as a result of them. Roisin Jordan has already expressed a preference for aspiring female administrators to be assisted in their ambitions as opposed to being imposed on to boards. I don't agree that female administrators have been actively blocked in The GAA. I remember a female secretary of the minor board in my own county working in that position over thirty years ago. The same was true in my own club. Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 19/12/2016 10:29:50 1940911 Link 0 |
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Yeah you're right, and you know what else I saw a channel dedicated just to children the other day it's an absolute disgrace! Now where can I find reruns of Top Gear, preferably on a channel with a guys name, and maybe some brilliant tagline like "The Home of Witty Banter" JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 19/12/2016 10:37:41 1940912 Link 0 |