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It seems it's the usual those few who cannot be bothered to learn the anthem want rid of it bla bla bla it's in irish because its the anthem of ireland only in modern Ireland would you find so lazy and ignorant people. It's always the same more English than the English themselves type who look for everything that has traditional values to this country to be gotten rid of. Wouldn't be surprised if they were looking for eastenders theme tune instead at this rate. hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/11/2016 20:19:57 1937361 Link 6 |
What percentage of Dubs on the hill know word-for-word the meaning of our anthem?Are they all lazy?
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 29/11/2016 20:36:03 1937365 Link 0 |
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 29/11/2016 20:37:07 1937366 Link 2 |
But they'll never take our kegs!
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 29/11/2016 20:48:32 1937370 Link 1 |
I agree with some of that, and disagree with some of it also. I actually like our anthem, but I agree, playing it before every game can end up reducing it to parody. Especially when its a recording, using a grainy record that would have been considered poor quality in the 1930's. Maybe it would be good enough to just have the anthem played at league, provincial, and AI semi-finals/finals. But at a league game in February, its reduced to a dirge. And while the minute's silence may be well meaning, it can indeed become problematic when bigger crowds are involved, especially when the subject is not well known (you're just inviting heckles, which can be more upsetting for the relatives of person being remembered). So yeah, I agree, its worth being more judicious in the use of minutes silences, especially at bigger games. But as for the anthem being in the Irish language, I actually hope that doesn't change. By all means, have the actual content be changed, its militaristic and out of date. But whether we speak it or not, the Irish language is still at least a foundation of Gaelic culture, and indigenous to the country. Having the anthem in that language is culturally unique, and that's not a bad thing for a national anthem to be. Cultural uniqueness isn't necessarily insular, its just an expression of identity, and that's also what the GAA is to many people. Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 29/11/2016 20:51:19 1937372 Link 2 |
Timing is not that peculiar seeing as it comes days after Sinn Fein launched their policy on a United Ireland. It was presumably in that context that the comments were made. It's surely a non story however as in the event of a new flag and new anthem, which are inevitable if a united Ireland ever comes to pass, then of course the GAA will have to fly the new national flag and play the new national anthem. Anyone in the back woods who thinks we should continue with the existing flag and anthem in such changed circumstances would be on the wrong side of history. Even Sinn Fein recognise these inevitabiliies. Another change might see all Ireland club finals moved to the 12th of July seeing as it will be a new national holiday all across the island!
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 29/11/2016 20:52:22 1937373 Link 2 |
Outrageous comments by Aogain O Fearghaíl, who is he trying to appease. Is he going the same road as Sean Kelly & going entering politics & going all PC all of a sudden. All the basis of what the Gaa was founded on & what made it great, Aogain O Fearghaíl & Padraic Duffy are trying to dismember. The Gaa was built by volunteerism, amateur ethos, love of our native language, our national identity & our National flag. These two guys will go down in history having opened the door for pay for play by giving the GPA 10% of all commercial Gaa revenue. Now O Fearghaíl is saying they are willing to concede our national anthem & flag in lieu of changes on this island. I don't hear the loyalists saying they will compromise their anthem or flags. What's next a hybrid anthem like Ireland's Call & a mosh mash of a flag. Are we trying to be the United Nations, what's wrong with being proud of our native language & proud of our anthem & flag. We will end up changing it every year to suit some body or some group that gets offended, it's a joke. Aogain O Fearghaíl needs to issue a statement as to whether he is entering political life or not. He would be better served sorting out the MESS that is club games & the paid managers at. Lib & county level that are the real issues facing the Gaa. Sickening to see the road the Association is taking. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 29/11/2016 20:55:58 1937374 Link 3 |
I like the anthem before big games,also.It is a proud moment when everybody stands to attention and faces our flag,but my point is that even though i get the gist of its meaning,i dont understand it word for word.I dont have any Irish at all.I have seen the translation many times but because ive zero gaeilge it is easily forgotten.What percentage of an 80,000 full Croke Park would know the anthem word-for-word in English?I would say very low ; maybe 5-10%.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 29/11/2016 21:01:55 1937375 Link 0 |
Problem is some are ashamed to be Irish. In your county many see themselves as more British than Irish & look down upon native speakers & people proud of their Country. This has followed down through into schools, who don't teach our national anthem anymore. Watch any other international sport you like & watch the way they stand to attention, hand on their heart & singing it with fervour. Watch the Welsh, French, Scottish, we are an embarrasement & we will end up with the Willie Wonka theme tune the way we are going. On second thoughts probably not as it could be viewed as offensive to oompah lumpahs. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 29/11/2016 21:16:55 1937380 Link 3 |
im losin my identity, so i am. i dont know who i am anymore
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 29/11/2016 21:18:00 1937381 Link 0 |
Lol got there before me
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/11/2016 21:18:02 1937382 Link 0 |
For me personally its two separate things, ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 29/11/2016 21:27:09 1937385 Link 0 |
Why does that matter percentages. Why does it matter if word for word in English to appreciate it in irish. There's a band called seo Linn I don't know if you are aware of them but they perform English songs in irish and if you go on YouTube and see the comments from people under their videos you might be enlightened to see the international perspective, the overall consensus is how much better they have made songs by hearing it in irish, they don't understand any of the wording but love the sound of the language and the sound of the song. 90% of people at concerts don't know songs word for word but appreciate the music, why is it any different with our national anthem? I would struggle to find a single person in croke park, thurles, clones or castlebar who in a packed ground that doesn't feel the adrenaline pumping when the band blasts out amhran n.a. bhfiann and the hairs on the back of their necks are standing to attention just like the players on the pitch ready to do battle just like those soldiers hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/11/2016 21:34:42 1937391 Link 2 |
I appreciate good music,hill,but the Irish anthem is not a good tune in comparison to Wales,USA,Scotland,France,Argentina,Germany,Italy etc.I think we all appreciate the significance and importance of it but a good musical piece it is not and the fact very few know the words is a bit unusual.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 29/11/2016 21:49:24 1937397 Link 0 |
All-Ireland finals only for the anthem , the flag should stay, most countries fly their flag at Arena's, or do they? The anthem itself lyrically is outdated and irrelevant. KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 29/11/2016 21:49:32 1937398 Link 1 |
I happen to feel its by far the best of them countries you named. plenty alike will feel the same, like it or not it's out anthem and just because a few have a problem with it isn't grounds for changing something. hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/11/2016 22:17:25 1937401 Link 0 |
I totally agree re anthem. Also ill give you a prime example of anthem nonsense and when its played. In first week of Jan Meath will play dit/Laois /Wicklow in first rd O'Byrne, anthem (dreadful scratching version) will be played in navan. Should Meath reach Leinster semi final playing in game one v Kildare say in croke park with approximately 40/50 no anthem will be played. As that will be reserved for 2 game. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 29/11/2016 22:19:25 1937402 Link 0 |
It's kind of the Meath county boards fault that they don't have a proper version not the gaa
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/11/2016 22:28:49 1937405 Link 0 |
Sorry Ormondbannerman that was a typo it should read 15%. The Gaa under the stewardship of O Fearghaíl & Duffy & the negotiating team signed a deal earlier this year for a three year term with the GPA for €2.5 million minimum a year or 15% of all commercial Gaa revenue if greater. Of course O Fearghail's comments are outrageous, I don't see any national debate on the matter or any other side looking for this as compromise. Did he consult the matter with Gaa grassroots to get feedback on the matter, no. He went on a solo run & his comments will be very divisive within the Gaa, I for one completely disagree & don't like the way a path is being prepared to make this happen within Gaa leadership. A nation without a language, anthem & national flag is nothing but a pieballed pony, a nation without identity has no pride, no values & no structure & stands for nothing. I have vast experience of travelling this country & let me tell you, changing flags & anthems is not going to appease loyalists who have NO intention of compromising theirs. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 29/11/2016 22:31:39 1937406 Link 1 |
Who wants it changed?It is ours for good or bad.I'm proud of it but dont think its a great anthem to be honest.There's no need for it to be played before so many games.Keep it for the big games.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 29/11/2016 22:35:27 1937407 Link 0 |