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Galway hurlers to Munster?

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Replying To neverright:  "Didn't Galway go down this road before?"
They did indeed. Between 1959 and 1969 they played in Munster.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 17/11/2016 16:56:19    1935139

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Replying To cuederocket:  "I think it would be an advantage to Kilkenny if this were to happen.Galway have made Leinster conpetetive.Dublin have improved in the last 10 years,also.Ok,Kilkenny have won something like 15/18 Leinster finals,but this is an unprecedented era of Kilkenny brilliance as we all know.Surely this can't last?If Galway were to jump ship,Kilkenny would fancy their chances bigtime against Dublin,Offaly and Wexford.It would pretty much kill off the Leinster championship and Munster would be even harder to win than it is now.I feel Galway must stay in Leinster but with equal status.Nothing less should be afforded the tribesmen.In for a penny,in for a pound.Fair play to Galway for putting up with these issues up to now but it's time for Leinster to man up."
Im not sure your right. For the first time in years I'd argue KK need serious competition in Leinster to develop their players and panel. If they came in cold in a semi they could get blown out of the water. Possibly! Or hopefully!!
Having said that, Galway into Munster makes no sense what so ever.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 17/11/2016 16:59:29    1935141

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From a galway point of view, I think our demands are basic enough. Home games in the city, what's the. Big deal. Underage teams in, again, no big deal. We don't care at this stage which province gives it to us, we just want to become a normal hurling county, same as everyone else.

galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts: 226 - 17/11/2016 18:14:43    1935156

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As a wexford hurling man I fully believe than Galway should be fully involved in lenister hurling from minor, u 21 and senior. .. If we in wexford want our standard to improve we need to play the best and let that start at minor !!! It's now 31 years since we have won a lenister minor, so what's going to change???? In my view it will only bring improvement to wexford hurling and that applies to offally laois and the other counties involved. ... We are isolated and live in a hurling a bubble in wexford and the higher standard we play at an earlier age for our young hurlers can only bring improvement .. and want wrong with Galway in wexford park??? And a trip across the great shannon

tonydoranfan (Wexford) - Posts: 550 - 17/11/2016 18:26:51    1935158

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With all respect to other Counties but this would be a free pass to KK to all Ireland semi without a finger being put on them while the rest of Munster and Galway take lumps out of each other from May onwards.

therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1292 - 17/11/2016 19:02:48    1935170

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With all due respect Kilkenny had a free past for 10 -12 year in Ireland never mind Leinster , If Galway go Kerry should go to. Galway hugely improved this year and for me I think they are well capable of winning an all Ireland, good manager and were very competitive last season. I'd expect Wexford to improve this year , Dublin will be competitive to , the rest are way off the pace in Leinster when it comes to challenging the cats! Galway should stay , include them at all levels and see how it goes worth a shot, home and away venue to.

ke40 (Kildare) - Posts: 209 - 17/11/2016 20:26:50    1935192

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Replying To ke40:  "With all due respect Kilkenny had a free past for 10 -12 year in Ireland never mind Leinster , If Galway go Kerry should go to. Galway hugely improved this year and for me I think they are well capable of winning an all Ireland, good manager and were very competitive last season. I'd expect Wexford to improve this year , Dublin will be competitive to , the rest are way off the pace in Leinster when it comes to challenging the cats! Galway should stay , include them at all levels and see how it goes worth a shot, home and away venue to."
Dont be silly.In the 6 All Ireland finals Kilkenny and Tipp played in the last 8 years,Kilkenny won 3,Tipp won 2 and one game was drawn.Greaest team ever,no doubt,but Tipp have put it up to them,bigtime.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 17/11/2016 20:41:47    1935200

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Replying To cuederocket:  "Dont be silly.In the 6 All Ireland finals Kilkenny and Tipp played in the last 8 years,Kilkenny won 3,Tipp won 2 and one game was drawn.Greaest team ever,no doubt,but Tipp have put it up to them,bigtime."
Don't be a fool , 2006/07/08/09/11/12/14/15 all Ireland champions !

ke40 (Kildare) - Posts: 209 - 17/11/2016 21:36:43    1935218

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Replying To ke40:  "Don't be a fool , 2006/07/08/09/11/12/14/15 all Ireland champions !"
You said Kilkenny had a free pass in Ireland for 10 - 12 years.I certainly don't think they had a free pass from Tipp as their 6 All Ireland finals prove.Only a fool would think otherwise.Thanks for the stats ; really enlightening.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 17/11/2016 21:46:48    1935220

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heres an idea - it may be rubbish
if leinster are not going to be fair on galway put them in munster - 21s minors and all,

PRoblem will be though that munster hurling will have too many strong teams compared to leinster so here is a suggestion to even it out

Semis Both Provincial winners
quarter finals - Munster runner up plus 3 round two winners
Round Two - 6 teams Leinster runner up, plus the two Munster first round losers, Plus Three round one teams
Round one 2 losing munster semi finalists -

You will note the leinster runner up goes into back door a round earlier than munster , so while winning musnter will be harder it may be i little bit easier for a munster/galway team to make it to latter stages of all ireland

wont happen - but is it any good?

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 17/11/2016 21:52:18    1935224

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At the end of the day it's not a Leinster championship if Galway are in it. And it's not a Munster championship if Galway are in it. No matter what way you dress it up Galway are in Connacht. If I was a Galway man I wouldn't thank you for a Leinster or Munster medal.
It's time to scrap this farcical provincial set up. Top 10 teams .. 2 groups of 5 . Top 4 teams in all Ireland semi finals . Bottom in each group playoff to see who gets relagated to Christy ring. Plain and simple the provincials in hurling are a farce

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 17/11/2016 22:18:06    1935228

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Replying To cuederocket:  "You said Kilkenny had a free pass in Ireland for 10 - 12 years.I certainly don't think they had a free pass from Tipp as their 6 All Ireland finals prove.Only a fool would think otherwise.Thanks for the stats ; really enlightening."
Yeah, I think you make a fair point. Since 2010, Kilkenny have still been the best team in the country, and an amazing team, but it hasn't been a cakewalk, not like it was in the late 2000's. Even apart from Tipp, in the last 5 years Galway have beaten them in a Leinster final, and held them to a draw an AI final, Dublin and Cork beat them in the championship in 2013, and Limerick (2015) and Waterford(this year) had mighty semi-final matches with them, including Waterford bringing them to a draw this year.

So, still the top team, but its a more competitive AI championship overall than its given credit for. Definitely not the foregone conclusion that people try to keep writing it off as. I just think the provincial system is working against it. Unfortunately. And while I'd hate to lose the Munster Championship, wider national interest in the hurling championship only seems to start with the AI final. I think the sooner we move to a system where Tipp v Kilkenny could be the first game of the championship, rather than the last, the better.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 17/11/2016 23:02:00    1935231

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It comes up every year about scrapping the Provincials. Why do ye waste yer breath anymore? The only reason for this is driven by KK's dominance in Leinster. Not one Munster team wants to get rid of Munster because they all believe every year they can win it.
KK have been dominant but I don't understand why other Leinster teams show them so much respect. I know a lot of club hurlers in Leinster and they are all almost in awe of and supporting KK and a lot of the intercounty players are the same from what I can see.
KK are definitely less dominant than they were and I can guarantee Davy is going to Wexford to tell them they will beat KK. As much as anything else he will change the mindset. Look at the nineties. KK had history then but Wexford and Offaly didn't give a f*ck and rightly so.
I've yet to hear one Galway person campaigning to scrap the Provincial chsip and I know numerous who enjoy going to Munster matches and Munster finals.
Put Galway into Leinster properly and go from there. They're nearly 30 years without an All Ireland at this stage. Croke Park should rule on this and sort it out straight away. It's a joke tbh.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 18/11/2016 08:37:24    1935240

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "At the end of the day it's not a Leinster championship if Galway are in it. And it's not a Munster championship if Galway are in it. No matter what way you dress it up Galway are in Connacht. If I was a Galway man I wouldn't thank you for a Leinster or Munster medal.
It's time to scrap this farcical provincial set up. Top 10 teams .. 2 groups of 5 . Top 4 teams in all Ireland semi finals . Bottom in each group playoff to see who gets relagated to Christy ring. Plain and simple the provincials in hurling are a farce"
Will we scrap the football too since only one is anyway competitive most years?

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 18/11/2016 08:39:10    1935241

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Replying To Marlon_JD:  "Yeah, I think you make a fair point. Since 2010, Kilkenny have still been the best team in the country, and an amazing team, but it hasn't been a cakewalk, not like it was in the late 2000's. Even apart from Tipp, in the last 5 years Galway have beaten them in a Leinster final, and held them to a draw an AI final, Dublin and Cork beat them in the championship in 2013, and Limerick (2015) and Waterford(this year) had mighty semi-final matches with them, including Waterford bringing them to a draw this year.

So, still the top team, but its a more competitive AI championship overall than its given credit for. Definitely not the foregone conclusion that people try to keep writing it off as. I just think the provincial system is working against it. Unfortunately. And while I'd hate to lose the Munster Championship, wider national interest in the hurling championship only seems to start with the AI final. I think the sooner we move to a system where Tipp v Kilkenny could be the first game of the championship, rather than the last, the better."
I'm struggling to see any logic especially to your last sentence. Why don't we put the 4 semi finalists this year into one group and get all the big games out of the way early. One out of the group then so only one strong team can get to the final.
You want the two best teams in the first game?
I'd go back to straight knockout hurling and give us club hurlers a chance to play some hurling for a change. Wasn't it great when we were U-16!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 18/11/2016 08:44:08    1935244

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Will we scrap the football too since only one is anyway competitive most years?"
Football may not be competitive but at least the counties playing within each provincial are from the province.
Would Tipperary football players value a Connacht football medal if they had to play in Connacht? No they wouldn't.
Provincial competitions are kept because of money no other reason.
Galway use Leinster to get game time to try and win the big one.
A Leinster or Munster medal means nothing to them
2 groups of 5 in hurling and 8 groups of 4 in football with top team in each group playing in quarters.
Scrap the provincials in both codes leaves more time for decent club football too.

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 18/11/2016 09:10:04    1935253

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "Football may not be competitive but at least the counties playing within each provincial are from the province.
Would Tipperary football players value a Connacht football medal if they had to play in Connacht? No they wouldn't.
Provincial competitions are kept because of money no other reason.
Galway use Leinster to get game time to try and win the big one.
A Leinster or Munster medal means nothing to them
2 groups of 5 in hurling and 8 groups of 4 in football with top team in each group playing in quarters.
Scrap the provincials in both codes leaves more time for decent club football too."
Fair point but do you think a Munster medal means nothing to the 5 Munster counties or would a Leinster medal mean nothing to the Leinster counties?
Change the whole thing for 1 county? No thanks.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 18/11/2016 09:23:01    1935254

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id prefer to keep the provincials for a few reasons

1 - geography - the counties are generally closer together so crowds be bigger
2 - a provincial medal is still something to be cherished and for some offers a realistic medal chance -more realistic than an all ireland
bear in mind prior to goin into leinster galway didnt have a province in hurling so thye havent lost anything
3 - a provincial final is a showpiece occasion and usually attracts more than a standalone quarter final

My preference would be leave galway in leinster but give them home and away and put them into 21s and minors , they are already in intermediate but leinster wont let them in 21s and minors which is a bit odd

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 18/11/2016 10:12:23    1935273

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Just read Cillian Buckley's view. He's dead right. I don't remember KK playing too many Leinster games in Nolan Park either. Galway need to be campaigning to get the underage teams in and give up on the home and away rubbish. They are where they are.
Yet another winter in the media for Galway hurlers.
Salthill is an awful spot to get to even for a league game coming from North Tipp. Could you get a worse place for a game of hurling? Might as well play it on the prom!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 18/11/2016 10:28:08    1935286

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Fair point but do you think a Munster medal means nothing to the 5 Munster counties or would a Leinster medal mean nothing to the Leinster counties?
Change the whole thing for 1 county? No thanks."
Well if the whole thing can't be changed and I wouldn't expect it to for one county then they should go back to the original system where Galway played in the all Ireland semi every year .whats the point in playing in a province with no attachment?
They won 3 all irelands in 60 odd years by playing in the semi final each year. A very poor return.
If the provincials are to be kept well keep it to the counties from the respective province , otherwise it becomes a total farce

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 18/11/2016 10:48:18    1935290

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