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12 stadia to make up Ireland's 2023 RWC Bid

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Whatever unfolds, it's never going to be a more farcical bid than us and the Scots for Euro 2008. How many stadia can you provide? Errrrr......one. But we might be let into Croke Park............and the BertieBowl might just happen, you know, with a bit of luck and an oul pray........

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - 16/11/2016 14:41:15    1934698

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "Don't agree with the use of all these GAA stadia for the Rugby world cup.If they haven't got enough of their own stadia they shouldn't be allowed host it.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts:4824 - 15/11/2016 13:12:09
Should the Soccer world cup not have been hosted in the United States in 1994 then? Or 2010 World cup in South Africa which used rugby stadiums...

Sorry can't agree with you there. Why would you not rent out stadiums and showcase what the gaa has to foreigners and millions of people throughout the globe. Heck you could even showcase the stadiums to people in our own country who don't know what we have.
The only thing I would be worried about is county finals. Do rugby world cup games take priority over the county finals? A bit like the semi final replay a few years ago?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:3702 - 15/11/2016 13:17:47
Rugby world cup games would take priority over county finals but there would be plenty of stadiums only used for a small number of games so county finals could be moved around to cater for both in the stadiums in question"
Ormond, I'm amazed it's taken you this long to join the thread, absolutely amazed. That said, I'm taking it easy this afternoon, I've got my popcorn and fizzy drink ready, I don't need trailers, c'mon..............................let battle commence!!

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - 16/11/2016 14:42:56    1934699

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Replying To MedwayIrish:  "
Replying To ormondbannerman:  "Don't agree with the use of all these GAA stadia for the Rugby world cup.If they haven't got enough of their own stadia they shouldn't be allowed host it.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts:4824 - 15/11/2016 13:12:09
Should the Soccer world cup not have been hosted in the United States in 1994 then? Or 2010 World cup in South Africa which used rugby stadiums...

Sorry can't agree with you there. Why would you not rent out stadiums and showcase what the gaa has to foreigners and millions of people throughout the globe. Heck you could even showcase the stadiums to people in our own country who don't know what we have.
The only thing I would be worried about is county finals. Do rugby world cup games take priority over the county finals? A bit like the semi final replay a few years ago?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:3702 - 15/11/2016 13:17:47
Rugby world cup games would take priority over county finals but there would be plenty of stadiums only used for a small number of games so county finals could be moved around to cater for both in the stadiums in question"
Ormond, I'm amazed it's taken you this long to join the thread, absolutely amazed. That said, I'm taking it easy this afternoon, I've got my popcorn and fizzy drink ready, I don't need trailers, c'mon..............................let battle commence!!"
Ormo!Ormo!Ormo!

cuederocket (Dublin) - 16/11/2016 14:46:10    1934701

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Replying To cuederocket:  "If Ireland win this bid it will be wall-to-wall,blanket coverage for six years.And this is even before the tournament starts.I already find it difficult to avoid all the rugger coverage.I'd have to come up with another plan.Maybe rent out my small duplex to Eir B & B for the two months while paddywhackery is in full swing.Yea,come to think of it,i'm off to the states.Trump will be on his second term and there wont be egg-ball spoken of in any yank shebeen or speakeasy.All the best troops,i'm out of here."
dont go to the isle of fernandos(tenerife)
go to lanzarote, the beachfront there is that long that by the time you will have walked it, the rugby will be done and dusted

hill16no1man (Dublin) - 16/11/2016 14:47:14    1934702

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janesboro
his mercedes must have been in getting valeted hahahahaha

hill16no1man (Dublin) - 16/11/2016 14:48:07    1934703

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This is where crokers marketing team should be kicking into overdrive. Say there is a game in Limerick between England and Argentina the lads should be hounding media in England with info on GAA in limerick, give a bit of info on it etc. It's a brilliant opportunity to promote the game abroad. It's not hard to pull together a few videos etc. They need to be polluting the airwaves when there is an international audience. The thing is those showing the games would actually lap up this sort of information to fill a void before the Samoa Canada game. There is potential for the GAA to promote their own games here and make a few quid. No brainer for me.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:3702 - 15/11/2016 17:24:21
Yeah that's where the GAA can gain a boost that it never will get again. You will have teams and fans based in the country for weeks and have fans and players alike treated to irish cultural experiences and get tourists attending club games. Many irish people as tourists to states will go to baseball games etc so this would be the same


They should use both limerick stadiums, limerick city and county has given great support to rugby, better than anywhere in Ireland at club an provincial level, and to give us no.big games is terrible, grrrrrrrrrr!
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:878 - 15/11/2016 20:18:04
Limerick isn't big enough for 2 stadiums. Dublin and Belfast are cities with a million people. Limerick is only 20% their size. Thomond will get plenty of big enough games considering its history

ormondbannerman (Clare) - 16/11/2016 14:48:53    1934704

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Replying To cuederocket:  "I'm out of Dodge,mes.Adios.Every cloud has a silver lining though : I'll stick a few rugger fans from Tongo or Kenya in the gaf and that'll pay for vacation,Stateside!I've never tried this Eir B & B but needs must in this instance.I'll be back for the All Ireland football final in December,all going well (:"
just come to the northside
we dont even know what a rugby ball looks like over here
theres actual more american fuseball played near me than rugby

hill16no1man (Dublin) - 16/11/2016 14:49:26    1934705

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Replying To Steady_Eddie:  "Gaa county grounds, the vast majority apart from maybe one or two are delapidated and would be an embarrassment to display them to the rest of the world. Croke Park is the only stadium that I would be proud to showcase. The rest are a joke to be fair."
what about the home of world rugby new zealand
they had grass banks behind the goal at rugby world cup there
last time i checked we dont even allow people on them in navan for health and safety

hill16no1man (Dublin) - 16/11/2016 14:51:57    1934709

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I'm all for it, as long as it doesn't cost the gaa a cent and the taxpayers of Ireland a cent. If the irfu want to host it, stump up all the cash. The country needs other things urgently like broadband nationally. The health services, infrastructure. I don't want absolute millions of euro given over just so a few suits in the Irfu can feel proud for a few weeks. Also I see they haven't included Cardiff in the bid. No World Cup has been held this side of the world without the Welsh getting their pound of flesh. Be interesting to see how they'll pull that stroke off when it's in Japan. Knowing rugby this part of the world, they'll get their way.
Bain (Donegal) - Posts:416 - 15/11/2016 20:41:15
That's not how any events like this works. Government will have to pay a 100million or so and then will earn significantly more than that in duration of the competition
We are planning a solo bid. England only gave games to Cardiff as other venues were pulled or less games could be played in some grounds.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - 16/11/2016 14:53:07    1934710

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I'm not in favour of this at all. It is not the GAA's job to help out rugby which is a rival.Regardless of the bull that will be spun , all sports are competing with each other for players and fans. I doubt you'd see Apple helping out Microsoft. I don't care how unpopular this point of view maybe or supposedly how closed minded it may be considered to be by some people, I don't really care about rugby so why should the GAA be helping them and I don't give a toss about a boost in tourism for a month as that's all this will provide.Nobody from the competing nations is unaware that Ireland exists and it will have no positive tourism boost outside of the time the competition is taking place. Also I don't see why tax payers money should be wasted on this when we have so many other things the money could be spent on. Nothing the GAA can do really as they would have been just bullied into doing it by the media so they really have no choice which is quite sad but that's the way the media works.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts:1014 - 15/11/2016 22:27:51
This isn't as simple as the GAA helping a rival out. The GAA benefits from this in terms of financially, potential stadium upgrades. This benefits more than tourism.

gaa vs rugby is very much alive and well in connacht....irfu pumping money into schools to compete directly with gaa within those schools.....school principals see 5k and say yes....bit by bit they are trying to force out our national games...remember the secondary and primary schools are massive links in the gaa chain....oh and from my experience the rugby lads are elitist over here too and all of a sudden everyone (many who never played sport/) are lifelong connacht rugby fans
squares_edge (Galway) - Posts:181 - 15/11/2016 22:51:21
You don't know much of what Connacht are doing if you think they have the money to throw 5k at any school. What exactly is elitist anyway?
There is no forcing out of GAA?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - 16/11/2016 15:00:32    1934714

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but in dublin rugby is an upper class sport, they only want your people of social upper class in their clubs
and its kind of ironic in a way that the constant use of the word professional regarding rugby needs an amature organistaion to have any chance of getting the world cup.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11381 - 16/11/2016 09:07:39
You have never seriously tried join a club or know no one who has tried join a rugby club if you think people only want a person in upper classes of society(which is what exactly/how do you prove you are) to join
And there is nothing ironic about professional and its use?

exactly I cant understand why killarney is in use over gaelic grounds
full capacity of gaelic grounds would be 50 thousand in a city
where as killarney is 45 thousand full capacity in a town
surely if thurles cant host because of lack of beds killarney would struggle to host large matches over a two week period.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11381 - 16/11/2016 09:11:00
You cant have 3 cities with multiple grounds. Limerick has thomond and cant cater for another ground
Killarney has 11/12 major hotels at least and then dozens of b'n'b's while Thurles has nothing like that.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - 16/11/2016 15:04:38    1934715

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "janesboro
his mercedes must have been in getting valeted hahahahaha"
Driving his daughters city runaround.

Breffni39 (Cavan) - 16/11/2016 15:06:52    1934716

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "I'm not in favour of this at all. It is not the GAA's job to help out rugby which is a rival.Regardless of the bull that will be spun , all sports are competing with each other for players and fans. I doubt you'd see Apple helping out Microsoft. I don't care how unpopular this point of view maybe or supposedly how closed minded it may be considered to be by some people, I don't really care about rugby so why should the GAA be helping them and I don't give a toss about a boost in tourism for a month as that's all this will provide.Nobody from the competing nations is unaware that Ireland exists and it will have no positive tourism boost outside of the time the competition is taking place. Also I don't see why tax payers money should be wasted on this when we have so many other things the money could be spent on. Nothing the GAA can do really as they would have been just bullied into doing it by the media so they really have no choice which is quite sad but that's the way the media works.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts:1014 - 15/11/2016 22:27:51
This isn't as simple as the GAA helping a rival out. The GAA benefits from this in terms of financially, potential stadium upgrades. This benefits more than tourism.

gaa vs rugby is very much alive and well in connacht....irfu pumping money into schools to compete directly with gaa within those schools.....school principals see 5k and say yes....bit by bit they are trying to force out our national games...remember the secondary and primary schools are massive links in the gaa chain....oh and from my experience the rugby lads are elitist over here too and all of a sudden everyone (many who never played sport/) are lifelong connacht rugby fans
squares_edge (Galway) - Posts:181 - 15/11/2016 22:51:21
You don't know much of what Connacht are doing if you think they have the money to throw 5k at any school. What exactly is elitist anyway?
There is no forcing out of GAA?"
Where are the facts Ormo?

Breffni39 (Cavan) - 16/11/2016 15:07:42    1934717

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I disagree with this because the GAA will be forced to play with an oval ball in the years running up to it to prepare the pitches for the rugby onslaught.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - 16/11/2016 15:12:16    1934720

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "This is where crokers marketing team should be kicking into overdrive. Say there is a game in Limerick between England and Argentina the lads should be hounding media in England with info on GAA in limerick, give a bit of info on it etc. It's a brilliant opportunity to promote the game abroad. It's not hard to pull together a few videos etc. They need to be polluting the airwaves when there is an international audience. The thing is those showing the games would actually lap up this sort of information to fill a void before the Samoa Canada game. There is potential for the GAA to promote their own games here and make a few quid. No brainer for me.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:3702 - 15/11/2016 17:24:21
Yeah that's where the GAA can gain a boost that it never will get again. You will have teams and fans based in the country for weeks and have fans and players alike treated to irish cultural experiences and get tourists attending club games. Many irish people as tourists to states will go to baseball games etc so this would be the same


They should use both limerick stadiums, limerick city and county has given great support to rugby, better than anywhere in Ireland at club an provincial level, and to give us no.big games is terrible, grrrrrrrrrr!
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:878 - 15/11/2016 20:18:04
Limerick isn't big enough for 2 stadiums. Dublin and Belfast are cities with a million people. Limerick is only 20% their size. Thomond will get plenty of big enough games considering its history"
jeezus Belfast must have expanded seriously overnight considering the whole 6 counties only has 1.6 million population, cities across the water have a bigger population.

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - 16/11/2016 15:20:50    1934722

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Replying To bulmccabe:  "
Replying To ormondbannerman:  "This is where crokers marketing team should be kicking into overdrive. Say there is a game in Limerick between England and Argentina the lads should be hounding media in England with info on GAA in limerick, give a bit of info on it etc. It's a brilliant opportunity to promote the game abroad. It's not hard to pull together a few videos etc. They need to be polluting the airwaves when there is an international audience. The thing is those showing the games would actually lap up this sort of information to fill a void before the Samoa Canada game. There is potential for the GAA to promote their own games here and make a few quid. No brainer for me.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts:3702 - 15/11/2016 17:24:21
Yeah that's where the GAA can gain a boost that it never will get again. You will have teams and fans based in the country for weeks and have fans and players alike treated to irish cultural experiences and get tourists attending club games. Many irish people as tourists to states will go to baseball games etc so this would be the same


They should use both limerick stadiums, limerick city and county has given great support to rugby, better than anywhere in Ireland at club an provincial level, and to give us no.big games is terrible, grrrrrrrrrr!
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:878 - 15/11/2016 20:18:04
Limerick isn't big enough for 2 stadiums. Dublin and Belfast are cities with a million people. Limerick is only 20% their size. Thomond will get plenty of big enough games considering its history"
jeezus Belfast must have expanded seriously overnight considering the whole 6 counties only has 1.6 million population, cities across the water have a bigger population."
Haha it's astounding how regular Ormo thinks he can just spoof us all.

Breffni39 (Cavan) - 16/11/2016 15:47:06    1934728

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ormond
of course lmerick can cater for both grounds
it has an airport 20 minutes from the gaelic grounds,
it has a motorway connecting direct access to dublin
and a tunnell to bypass the city centre.
theres plenty of hotels and b and b s in limerick to cater for the gaelic grounds
with three hotels located on the same road as the gaelic grounds and god knows how many b and b's also located on the ennis road.
its an hour from galway city which is easy access for supporters based in galway and has shannon and ennis towns with more hotels less than half hour away to provide accomadation.its an hour and 15 mins from cork city and the same from killarney were two other stadiums will be used which also makes easy access for supporters basing themselves there. it has train and bus links probably better than cork.
if all failed jp mcmannuss only lives 20 minutes drive in adare also and has a huge manor to sort the whos who of rugby with a bed for the night.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - 16/11/2016 15:49:12    1934729

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "I'm all for it, as long as it doesn't cost the gaa a cent and the taxpayers of Ireland a cent. If the irfu want to host it, stump up all the cash. The country needs other things urgently like broadband nationally. The health services, infrastructure. I don't want absolute millions of euro given over just so a few suits in the Irfu can feel proud for a few weeks. Also I see they haven't included Cardiff in the bid. No World Cup has been held this side of the world without the Welsh getting their pound of flesh. Be interesting to see how they'll pull that stroke off when it's in Japan. Knowing rugby this part of the world, they'll get their way.
Bain (Donegal) - Posts:416 - 15/11/2016 20:41:15
That's not how any events like this works. Government will have to pay a 100million or so and then will earn significantly more than that in duration of the competition
We are planning a solo bid. England only gave games to Cardiff as other venues were pulled or less games could be played in some grounds."
These events are not the money spinners they're made out to be.

If the country weren't in rag order right now I'd be well up for this.

Fact is that there are multiple different things the money would be better spent on right now.

Practically every week a different section of the public sector is striking right now.

The HSE is grossly underfunded. We are lucky we've such good doctors working in this country or we'd really be completely shafted.

We've a ranging homeless crisis.

Ireland is not fully recovered yet from the recession, there are plenty of things need sorted before we waste a tonne of money on a big party.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - 16/11/2016 15:49:32    1934730

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"The hosting of major sporting events such as the Olympic Games or the FIFA World Cup has become the subject of intense competition among nations. Governments seem willing to make large financial commitments in order to win the bidding competition but evidence suggests that the economic impact of this spending is limited. While this outcome is easily understood in terms of rent seeking behavior, it is suggested that organizations such as the IOC and FIFA could better serve their constituents by diverting competition away from lavish provision of facilities towards goals that would raise participation in sports…. The members of the IOC and the FIFA Executive Committees do little to discourage extravagant spending. The memberships of these organizations have frequently been accused of outright corruption in the past, but corruption is only one part of the problem. It is perfectly reasonable for the IOC and FIFA to extract a surplus from the sale of TV and sponsorship rights to fund the global development of sport. However, the unjustified claim that these events produce substantial economic benefits can (a) mislead people into believing that their taxes are being productively spent on social regeneration rather than just funding mass entertainment, and (b) lead some private individuals to invest their own wealth in the expectation that an event will generate returns when it is unlikely to do so."



"About Winning: The Political Economy of Awarding the World Cup and the Olympic Games"
Szymanski, Stefan. SAIS Review, Winter-Spring 2011, Vol. 31, No. 1, 87-97, doi: 10.1353/sais.2011.0003.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - 16/11/2016 15:54:35    1934732

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "exactly I cant understand why killarney is in use over gaelic grounds
full capacity of gaelic grounds would be 50 thousand in a city
where as killarney is 45 thousand full capacity in a town
surely if thurles cant host because of lack of beds killarney would struggle to host large matches over a two week period."
Just thinking about this again. It is a bit of a joke that the Gaelic Grounds is excluded. Limerick is the home of Munster rugby and the Gaelic Grounds would packed for games even if the teams were outside the top 8 in the world.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - 16/11/2016 15:56:50    1934733

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