is there not a few dublin players who went to private schools?


janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:787 - 08/11/2016 12:06:53 1932656

I'm sure there are. That's not the point. The vast majority of them didn't.

It's about what's representative.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13741 - 08/11/2016 12:19:06    1932658

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13741 - 08/11/2016 12:27:21    1932663

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 08/11/2016 12:31:38    1932666

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 08/11/2016 12:32:50    1932667

is there not a few dublin players who went to private schools?
of the rugby team i think i thinkg the following players didnt
furlong, ryan, murray , henshaw , dillane cronin, marmion - could be more also stander payne bealham non irish educated
personally i dont care what school they go to - if they play for ireland i cheer for them
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:787 - 08/11/2016 12:06:53All Limerick bar anyone who may have went to Glenstal will not have been in fee paying schools.
Marmion was schooled in Wales in fee paying independent schools that have fees greater than virtually all schools in Ireland but all rest went to non fee paying schools and yes it doesn't matter what school they attended.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/11/2016 12:37:52    1932671

mesamis Rugby doesn't seem to be because it has a large bias towards a certain type of background.
maybe so but there is nothing preventing anoybody going to play /watch/ bring their kids to a rugby club
i went to a school where no rugby was played - so i went and played with my club

i dont know if you have been to any club rugby games -but if you havent go to one i guarantee youll enjoy it- the standard especially in ulster bank league 1a is very good

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 08/11/2016 12:50:28    1932675

As long as people see that a lot of the Irish/Leinster players are posh lads from private school backgrounds they are unlikely to go to their local rugby club. They just won't. Some might but the majority will not. It's an issue for rugby and will continue to be unless they do something about. We've been told for the past part of decade about all the 'great work' being done in non traditional rugby areas by the IRFU but to be honest as someone who is from, lives and works in a working class area I haven't seen any evidence of this. I'm sure they are doing some work but nowhere near the levels of other sporting organisations which is very evident. It'll be very hard for the IRFU to change 100+ years of their sport being the sport of the elite in Dublin.
People don't like talking about class issues in Ireland but not talking about them doesn't mean they are not there.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts:10186 - 08/11/2016 10:24:19Attending a fee paying school doesn't make you posh and clubs are entirely different to schools. Rugby has been doing a lot about changing the perception of the sport but only those who have direct interaction with clubs will see the perception of it being changed. If you stand on outside you wont see the changes. The IRFU and provincial branches have worked hugely and invested huge money and time into developing the sport in "non traditional areas".

Replying to the title of the thread I don't think it'll be a problem for the GAA.
In Leinster specifically Rugby at the highest level (Leinster schools) is pure elitist and that's where the professional setup draw most if not all there players from.
They go to the private schools in and around dublin 4 and not down to your local CBS or GAA field.
So don't panic, the GAA will be fine.
Out of curiosity, how many of the guys against NZ were publicly schooled?
daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts:3410 - 08/11/2016 10:54:30Leinster schools isn't rugby at the highest level. You will also see that significant numbers of those who play schools cup will have been head hunted by those schools and will have been playing until 5th/6th year in smaller/"non traditional schools" and/or rugby clubs. I would say 7/8 at least of the 23 went to non fee paying schools.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/11/2016 12:51:45    1932676

As long as people see that a lot of the Irish/Leinster players are posh lads from private school backgrounds they are unlikely to go to their local rugby club. They just won't. Some might but the majority will not. It's an issue for rugby and will continue to be unless they do something about. We've been told for the past part of decade about all the 'great work' being done in non traditional rugby areas by the IRFU but to be honest as someone who is from, lives and works in a working class area I haven't seen any evidence of this. I'm sure they are doing some work but nowhere near the levels of other sporting organisations which is very evident. It'll be very hard for the IRFU to change 100+ years of their sport being the sport of the elite in Dublin.
People don't like talking about class issues in Ireland but not talking about them doesn't mean they are not there.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts:10186 - 08/11/2016 10:24:19Attending a fee paying school doesn't make you posh and clubs are entirely different to schools. Rugby has been doing a lot about changing the perception of the sport but only those who have direct interaction with clubs will see the perception of it being changed. If you stand on outside you wont see the changes. The IRFU and provincial branches have worked hugely and invested huge money and time into developing the sport in "non traditional areas".

Replying to the title of the thread I don't think it'll be a problem for the GAA.
In Leinster specifically Rugby at the highest level (Leinster schools) is pure elitist and that's where the professional setup draw most if not all there players from.
They go to the private schools in and around dublin 4 and not down to your local CBS or GAA field.
So don't panic, the GAA will be fine.
Out of curiosity, how many of the guys against NZ were publicly schooled?
daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts:3410 - 08/11/2016 10:54:30Leinster schools isn't rugby at the highest level. You will also see that significant numbers of those who play schools cup will have been head hunted by those schools and will have been playing until 5th/6th year in smaller/"non traditional schools" and/or rugby clubs. I would say 7/8 at least of the 23 went to non fee paying schools.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/11/2016 12:51:55    1932678

janesboro, I don't care either. Bu the point re schooling I make is 100% relevant to the title of this thread I feel.
The GAA and Rugby draw their players from different sources.
daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts:3412 - 08/11/2016 12:32:5GAA and rugby don't draw players from different sources. Maybe in some areas but there is only fee paying schools in some areas/towns/regions

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/11/2016 12:53:37    1932679

janesboro,

I don't care either. Bu the point re schooling I make is 100% relevant to the title of this thread I feel.

The GAA and Rugby draw their players from different sources.
daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts:3412 - 08/11/2016 12:32:50 1932667

not down here --almost all the kds that i coach playing rugby, play gaa and soccer as well , mine play all four , i encourage it . surely inkildare theres lads playing with barnhall and naas who have or do play football as well. practically all the rugby players down here would have played hurling football and soccer as well

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 08/11/2016 12:53:45    1932680

is there anybody out there who actually follows rugby and gaa and soccer , i do (more rugby and hurling, but like football and soccer too)
it may come as a shock to some people but itis ok to like gaa and another sport , its not a crime or a sin[/b

I still don't think you get what I mean. Normal people see that an awful lot, more than should be on average, of players playing rugby for Ireland/Leinster from Dublin or it's surrounding areas all seem to have gone to one type of school, a type of school that wasn't an option for them.
It's not representative of the where we're from. That's not perceived elitism.
I don't care where the Dubs went to school, or the international team, because it's representative of where I'm from. Rugby doesn't seem to be because it has a large bias towards a certain type of background. That's grand and all and nothing wrong with people from that background as you've said but it means that people are not likely to get involved outside of people from that background. It's human nature and the reason rugby continues to struggle to get away from the posh boys image in Dublin and the surrounding counties.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts:10188 - 08/11/2016 12:27:21They are still normal people. Going to one of those schools doesn't mean you don't represent where you're from. That is to some extent negative snobbery(looking down on those who choose to spend money in this fashion at schools) and rugby is as much about representing where you are from. It is your perceptions that are holding you back than anything else.

So 4 players that would have had a chance to play GAA when they were younger were educated publicly.
Out of how many? I wouldn't count the none Irish players in that as they wouldn't have been likely to play GAA.
Point I'm trying to make is the following,
It's the exception rather than the rule that GAA teams lose players to Rugby so no need to panic.
I'm sure some of the Dubs lads were educated privately but nothing compared to the ratio of the current Leinster / Irish squad who were educated privately / publicly.
daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts:3412 - 08/11/2016 12:31:38Where are you getting the idea only 4 had the chance to play GAA?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/11/2016 13:17:42    1932692

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12133 - 08/11/2016 13:36:00    1932699

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 08/11/2016 14:02:06    1932703

Might not be fee-paying/private schools but posh elite schools nonetheless.
Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts:10599 - 08/11/2016 13:36:00So any kid who attends a school in Limerick like Munchins or ard scoil attended a posh, elite school. Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/11/2016 14:13:17    1932708

They are still normal people. Going to one of those schools doesn't mean you don't represent where you're from. That is to some extent negative snobbery(looking down on those who choose to spend money in this fashion at schools) and rugby is as much about representing where you are from. It is your perceptions that are holding you back than anything else.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:12230 - 08/11/2016 13:17:42

I don't understand what I'm being held back from.

It isn't negative snobbery to point out that sending your children to fee paying schools is not normal, as in fee paying schools are a fraction of schools when compared to normal schools. The majority of people go to normal schools, the minority do not.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13741 - 08/11/2016 14:23:32    1932715

MesAmis,

"Normal people see that an awful lot, more than should be on average, of players playing rugby for Ireland/Leinster from Dublin or it's surrounding areas all seem to have gone to one type of school, a type of school that wasn't an option for them.

It's not representative of the where we're from."

You could apply that logic a lot more to soccer teams in the EPL, actually.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 08/11/2016 14:24:27    1932717

Might not be fee-paying/private schools but posh elite schools nonetheless.
Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts:10599 - 08/11/2016 13:36:00Where? Like in Limerick.

I don't care what schools Irish Rugby players went to either but it is relevant to answer the title of the thread though.
The GAA and high level Rugby in Ireland pull players from different pools.
daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts:3413 - 08/11/2016 14:02:06 1932703They don't in many parts of the country though. Pull from same pool

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/11/2016 14:27:25    1932718

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 08/11/2016 14:27:58    1932720

Might not be fee-paying/private schools but posh elite schools nonetheless.
Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts:10599 - 08/11/2016 13:36:00So any kid who attends a school in Limerick like Munchins or ard scoil attended a posh, elite school. Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:12232 - 08/11/2016 14:13:17 1932708

so is breffni suggesting that a load of limerick hurlers e.g. cian lynch, ronan lynch dowling deccy hannon , mike and peter casey, kevin downes , john galvin, davie breen all went to a posh /private school i.e. ard scoil who have won load of harty cups (which is also a big rugby school) ,,,haha thats a good one!!!!!

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 08/11/2016 14:32:11    1932726