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Replying To hill16no1man: "Tearintom
if everybody who places bets does so on their phone then why would racecourses still use betting stalls and their own facilities for betting in the shape of the tote and take in millions on wagered bets.
I have never placed a bet online and I follow horses." In 2015 over 77% of pp's profits came from online gambling and betting shops were down from a high of 1400 shops to c 950 shops.
Again a day at the races is seen as a social event which involves copious amounts of alcohol being consumed and being able to place a physical bet and collect your cash on the day is part of that.
I find it ironic that people dont want alcohol served at sporting events (even though i wouldnt complain myself it it wasnt) yet seem perfectly fine with avenues to gamble being present when in this country gambling addiction is such a huge issue.
We also see it with high profile GAA people talking openly about the gambling issues, keep it away from the GAA in my opinion rather than encourage it
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1353 - 08/12/2016 11:40:58
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Replying To tearintom: "In 2015 over 77% of pp's profits came from online gambling and betting shops were down from a high of 1400 shops to c 950 shops.
Again a day at the races is seen as a social event which involves copious amounts of alcohol being consumed and being able to place a physical bet and collect your cash on the day is part of that.
I find it ironic that people dont want alcohol served at sporting events (even though i wouldnt complain myself it it wasnt) yet seem perfectly fine with avenues to gamble being present when in this country gambling addiction is such a huge issue.
We also see it with high profile GAA people talking openly about the gambling issues, keep it away from the GAA in my opinion rather than encourage it" No more than alcohol don't keep gambling away from GAA but just have a more responsible atitude to both. Banning either can make it more enticing to prospective drinkers or gamblers and organised crime.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7370 - 08/12/2016 12:23:56
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You see that's where you picked up wrong
I never said I want gamblin in grounds I said you would have more relevance to having a bookies on site as it least you could bet on the actual event your going to. The point was they don't facilitate people with betting so why the need to facilitate another social aspect as ye like to call them in alcohol
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 08/12/2016 13:04:11
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You shouldn't be allowed drink in your seat..you are there to watch the match..I agree hill no reason why a few betting stands could be allowed
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:1074 - 07/12/2016 22:05:10 Should all bars close at race meets for horses/greyhounds during races as surely people are there to watch the races and not anything else.
Tearintom if everybody who places bets does so on their phone then why would racecourses still use betting stalls and their own facilities for betting in the shape of the tote and take in millions on wagered bets.
I have never placed a bet online and I follow horses.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11479 - 08/12/2016 11:15:02I work with the tote occasionally and particularly the galway, limerick and tipp meets and your logic about drinking at rugby/gaa doesn't match that for race meets. should bars have to close during races?
agree with woodward hell16man and alano on this - no to alcohol in stands or terrace if you wanna drink and watch game you can do so in the bar -as keeper7 say its not a problem in gaa as they dont let you bring drink in and hopefully that remains the case
however modern sport has to be paid for and there is money to be made from those bars
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:970 - 08/12/2016 11:28:26drink shouldn't be stopped as in the most part people can do it quietly and not cause trouble. If people are so upset by people drinking complain and look for creation of non drinking areas of stands.
You can bring drink in in the GAA. You see it at any game. People will have hip flasks. Ive seen many in terraces with cans in bags.
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/12/2016 13:16:43
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I do feel it's very annoying at race meetings but the only race meeting I experience this at is Easter Monday at fairyhouse every year. Luckily enough though the day outers getting hammered only bother coming out of the bars on course for the national itself, they generally stay inside were the band's are on for most of the day. I was in fairyhouse last Sunday for the winter festival and there wasnt a sinner falling around drunk, I go to a lot of meetings throughout the year and its the same thing. Its always the same group of people that you have no problem with at sports events bandwagoners who cause these problems for the people who go all the time.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 08/12/2016 17:29:58
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "You shouldn't be allowed drink in your seat..you are there to watch the match..I agree hill no reason why a few betting stands could be allowed
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:1074 - 07/12/2016 22:05:10 Should all bars close at race meets for horses/greyhounds during races as surely people are there to watch the races and not anything else.
Tearintom if everybody who places bets does so on their phone then why would racecourses still use betting stalls and their own facilities for betting in the shape of the tote and take in millions on wagered bets.
I have never placed a bet online and I follow horses.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11479 - 08/12/2016 11:15:02I work with the tote occasionally and particularly the galway, limerick and tipp meets and your logic about drinking at rugby/gaa doesn't match that for race meets. should bars have to close during races?
agree with woodward hell16man and alano on this - no to alcohol in stands or terrace if you wanna drink and watch game you can do so in the bar -as keeper7 say its not a problem in gaa as they dont let you bring drink in and hopefully that remains the case
however modern sport has to be paid for and there is money to be made from those bars
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:970 - 08/12/2016 11:28:26drink shouldn't be stopped as in the most part people can do it quietly and not cause trouble. If people are so upset by people drinking complain and look for creation of non drinking areas of stands.
You can bring drink in in the GAA. You see it at any game. People will have hip flasks. Ive seen many in terraces with cans in bags." i wouldnt compare racing to rugby, soccer, gaa etc...racing goes on a lot longer..and is blatantly an event...rugby obviously is more about the event then the other 2 though yes
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 08/12/2016 20:04:22
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Replying To alano12: " Replying To ormondbannerman: "You shouldn't be allowed drink in your seat..you are there to watch the match..I agree hill no reason why a few betting stands could be allowed
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:1074 - 07/12/2016 22:05:10 Should all bars close at race meets for horses/greyhounds during races as surely people are there to watch the races and not anything else.
Tearintom if everybody who places bets does so on their phone then why would racecourses still use betting stalls and their own facilities for betting in the shape of the tote and take in millions on wagered bets.
I have never placed a bet online and I follow horses.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11479 - 08/12/2016 11:15:02I work with the tote occasionally and particularly the galway, limerick and tipp meets and your logic about drinking at rugby/gaa doesn't match that for race meets. should bars have to close during races?
agree with woodward hell16man and alano on this - no to alcohol in stands or terrace if you wanna drink and watch game you can do so in the bar -as keeper7 say its not a problem in gaa as they dont let you bring drink in and hopefully that remains the case
however modern sport has to be paid for and there is money to be made from those bars
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:970 - 08/12/2016 11:28:26drink shouldn't be stopped as in the most part people can do it quietly and not cause trouble. If people are so upset by people drinking complain and look for creation of non drinking areas of stands.
You can bring drink in in the GAA. You see it at any game. People will have hip flasks. Ive seen many in terraces with cans in bags." i wouldnt compare racing to rugby, soccer, gaa etc...racing goes on a lot longer..and is blatantly an event...rugby obviously is more about the event then the other 2 though yes"
Yes Alno 12 Rgby is more about the event than the event
Look at tomorrows (Sunday) papers and what will you see professional well paid people playing what is called sport for clubs who are well served by big PR companies. Some of these clubs are run as a buisness and when successful will bring rich rewards to the owners/shareholders.
A world away from the voluntary GAA Club
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3861 - 10/12/2016 20:20:51
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Ormond I do feel it's very annoying at race meetings but the only race meeting I experience this at is Easter Monday at fairyhouse every year. Luckily enough though the day outers getting hammered only bother coming out of the bars on course for the national itself, they generally stay inside were the band's are on for most of the day. I was in fairyhouse last Sunday for the winter festival and there wasnt a sinner falling around drunk, I go to a lot of meetings throughout the year and its the same thing. Its always the same group of people that you have no problem with at sports events bandwagoners who cause these problems for the people who go all the time.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11485 - 08/12/2016 17:29:58I have worked the tote quite a bit over the past 2 years I know all about it and from my experience it isn't only very big meetings. Its not sports event bandwagoners(don't like use of the phrase). What exactly is bandwagoner in relation to horse racing?
i wouldnt compare racing to rugby, soccer, gaa etc...racing goes on a lot longer..and is blatantly an event...rugby obviously is more about the event then the other 2 though yes
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:1090 - 08/12/2016 20:04:22GAA and soccer are every bit as much the same as rugby in every way. Look at crowds for many counties in league compared to championship. Rugby in pro12 compared to champions cup. etc. All irish sportsfans are the same.
Yes Alano 12 Rgby is more about the event than the event
Look at tomorrows (Sunday) papers and what will you see professional well paid people playing what is called sport for clubs who are well served by big PR companies. Some of these clubs are run as a buisness and when successful will bring rich rewards to the owners/shareholders.
A world away from the voluntary GAA Club
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts:2838 - 10/12/2016 20:20:51Rugby isn't at all more about event than other sports. Any professional sport is a business but soccer is a business here just like rugby and GAA(Croke Park) is a business and counties are business entities in many respects as well.
Rugby and Soccer still have 000s of voluntary clubs as their base.
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 10/12/2016 21:09:51
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NUI UCG it seems are downgrading their GAA links. They failed to field a team in the Galway senior football championship. They are however sponsoring the Rugby academy and an elite program for mainly Rugby players. Good news for Galway GAA is that GMIT are taking football seriously. The Director of Sports for UCG is an ex Hockey Ireland CEO. With very little affinity for the GAA it seems.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2522 - 10/12/2016 21:52:20
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Replying To galwayford: "NUI UCG it seems are downgrading their GAA links. They failed to field a team in the Galway senior football championship. They are however sponsoring the Rugby academy and an elite program for mainly Rugby players. Good news for Galway GAA is that GMIT are taking football seriously. The Director of Sports for UCG is an ex Hockey Ireland CEO. With very little affinity for the GAA it seems." NUI UCG it seems are downgrading their GAA links. They failed to field a team in the Galway senior football championship. They are however sponsoring the Rugby academy and an elite program for mainly Rugby players. Good news for Galway GAA is that GMIT are taking football seriously. The Director of Sports for UCG is an ex Hockey Ireland CEO. With very little affinity for the GAA it seems.
NUIG surely ? What elite program are they sponsoring for mainly rugby players?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7370 - 10/12/2016 23:52:38
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NUI UCG it seems are downgrading their GAA links. They failed to field a team in the Galway senior football championship. They are however sponsoring the Rugby academy and an elite program for mainly Rugby players. Good news for Galway GAA is that GMIT are taking football seriously. The Director of Sports for UCG is an ex Hockey Ireland CEO. With very little affinity for the GAA it seems.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts:821 - 10/12/2016 21:52:20 They help sponsor Connachts Academy yes but how is their elite program mainly for rugby players?
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the good news is that GMIT is fairly pro GAA. Sorry to indulge in my usual "rugby bashing". I am an ex NUIG student!
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2522 - 11/12/2016 14:28:10
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "Ormond I do feel it's very annoying at race meetings but the only race meeting I experience this at is Easter Monday at fairyhouse every year. Luckily enough though the day outers getting hammered only bother coming out of the bars on course for the national itself, they generally stay inside were the band's are on for most of the day. I was in fairyhouse last Sunday for the winter festival and there wasnt a sinner falling around drunk, I go to a lot of meetings throughout the year and its the same thing. Its always the same group of people that you have no problem with at sports events bandwagoners who cause these problems for the people who go all the time.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11485 - 08/12/2016 17:29:58I have worked the tote quite a bit over the past 2 years I know all about it and from my experience it isn't only very big meetings. Its not sports event bandwagoners(don't like use of the phrase). What exactly is bandwagoner in relation to horse racing?
i wouldnt compare racing to rugby, soccer, gaa etc...racing goes on a lot longer..and is blatantly an event...rugby obviously is more about the event then the other 2 though yes
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:1090 - 08/12/2016 20:04:22GAA and soccer are every bit as much the same as rugby in every way. Look at crowds for many counties in league compared to championship. Rugby in pro12 compared to champions cup. etc. All irish sportsfans are the same.
Yes Alano 12 Rgby is more about the event than the event
Look at tomorrows (Sunday) papers and what will you see professional well paid people playing what is called sport for clubs who are well served by big PR companies. Some of these clubs are run as a buisness and when successful will bring rich rewards to the owners/shareholders.
A world away from the voluntary GAA Club
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts:2838 - 10/12/2016 20:20:51Rugby isn't at all more about event than other sports. Any professional sport is a business but soccer is a business here just like rugby and GAA(Croke Park) is a business and counties are business entities in many respects as well.
Rugby and Soccer still have 000s of voluntary clubs as their base." i think it is alot more about the event..if it isnt then why is drinking so important?..the match is the most important thing at those sports hence why no drinking in your seat..you are there to watch the sport not drink
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 11/12/2016 15:08:54
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Replying To galwayford: "the good news is that GMIT is fairly pro GAA. Sorry to indulge in my usual "rugby bashing". I am an ex NUIG student!" Have some prospective NUIG footballers taken up rugby? Might be why they didn't field a team in the county championship the past two years. What's the rules there with graduates playing in county championships. They'll still be in the FBD league same as GMIT. Wouldn't necessarily say the Uni is pro-Rugby and anti-GAA while the RTC is pro-GAA. The Uni has a long and proud Sigerson history though not too recently.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7370 - 11/12/2016 19:23:53
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Have some prospective NUIG footballers taken up rugby? Might be why they didn't field a team in the county championship the past two years. What's the rules there with graduates playing in county championships. They'll still be in the FBD league same as GMIT. Wouldn't necessarily say the Uni is pro-Rugby and anti-GAA while the RTC is pro-GAA. The Uni has a long and proud Sigerson history though not too recently." could be seen as signs that priorities have changed though
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 11/12/2016 20:15:52
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It is all about winning All Ireland titles. Galway are a long way off that. What is the reason? Well look at the situation in the city.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2522 - 12/12/2016 17:35:26
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Replying To galwayford: "It is all about winning All Ireland titles. Galway are a long way off that. What is the reason? Well look at the situation in the city." Are there not more rugby clubs than GAA clubs in the city?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7370 - 12/12/2016 22:29:24
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Are there not more rugby clubs than GAA clubs in the city?" In the city you have Salthill Knocknacarragh and Liam Mellowes and some junior clubs. And Corinthians and Galwegians and OLBC. So approximately the same number.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2522 - 13/12/2016 09:43:55
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Replying To galwayford: "In the city you have Salthill Knocknacarragh and Liam Mellowes and some junior clubs. And Corinthians and Galwegians and OLBC. So approximately the same number." I thought I read that there are 3 senior football clubs in Galway City? Isn't the hurling club that the Connollys played for in Galway City as well? I am sure there are others as well.
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 13/12/2016 10:26:47
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Replying To Soma: "I thought I read that there are 3 senior football clubs in Galway City? Isn't the hurling club that the Connollys played for in Galway City as well? I am sure there are others as well." Castlegar (the Connolly brothers club) was on the edge of the city and the city has grown out to meet it. You could argue it's a city club now but its origins are more rural community. Personally I wouldn't think of it as a city club.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1907 - 13/12/2016 11:10:24
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