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Toothless (Dublin) - Posts: 38 - 03/11/2016 17:42:01
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Greenandred - In earlier years the League winners very often got two representatives, I do think that more credit should be given
to League performance when deciding the All-Stars, it should be more than All-Ireland final day, the weighting is too great for that
one day performance. Kevin McManamon is a clear example of that type of selection weighting. I think that the greatness of this
Dublin team will be strengthened by the fact that Dublin have won four League titles in a row, in addition to their four All-Irelands.
Too often in the past, All-Ireland champions have not performed during the league but this Dublin team are displaying their skills
throughout the year, not just in August and September.
fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 03/11/2016 17:59:30
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One of my biggest complaints with this team is the selection of Philip McMahon. Did not have a great year by any means. I thought players like Davy Byrne, John Small and Patrick Durcan had far better years and should have been selected. Also, while Boyle and Keegan were good, I thought their teammate Durcan was the best of the Mayo half-backs this year. At midfield Brennan is very unlucky in my opinion. Cluxton is unlucky not to get the goalkeeper position.
Overall though, the All Stars are a silly part of the GAA year and in modern football where the same teams get the last 4 every summer, there is nothing really in it for anyone else. Quinlivan is the first player picked outside of Dublin, Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan and Cork since Michael Foley of Kildare in 2011.
icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2553 - 03/11/2016 18:10:16
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Anyone who thinks that Ryan McHugh doesnt deserve an all star should consider that donegal played 6 games in the championship this year, even though they only got to the quarter finals. This includes 3 division 1 teams and 3 division 2 sides. He was outstanding in all 6 games.
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 03/11/2016 18:26:36
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Replying To icehonesty: "One of my biggest complaints with this team is the selection of Philip McMahon. Did not have a great year by any means. I thought players like Davy Byrne, John Small and Patrick Durcan had far better years and should have been selected. Also, while Boyle and Keegan were good, I thought their teammate Durcan was the best of the Mayo half-backs this year. At midfield Brennan is very unlucky in my opinion. Cluxton is unlucky not to get the goalkeeper position.
Overall though, the All Stars are a silly part of the GAA year and in modern football where the same teams get the last 4 every summer, there is nothing really in it for anyone else. Quinlivan is the first player picked outside of Dublin, Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan and Cork since Michael Foley of Kildare in 2011." Very few ever agree with the 15 selected. McMenamon should be there ahead of Hart. Clarke was lucky to get it ahead of Cluxton, no doubt Cluxton is a better keeper. David was very good in each game he played and made many some match-saving saves. Maybe many picking Clarke were driving the anti-Cluxton agenda after the Kerry match. The Cluxtongate furore surely ranks as the greatest storm in a teacup in the history of teacups. Blaming him completely for both Kerry goals and absolving the defenders was stupid. But I'm delighted for David Clarke and hope he'll be back next year.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7364 - 03/11/2016 19:25:57
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Glad the Dublin lads didn't get to many deserved more, but happier they take it easy and the individual award system doesn't fit with the Dublin philospehy.
Not a fan of the all stars any system that hasn't recognised euth Colm Cooper or Connolly as players of the years in terms of general play quality, influence and success is flawed.
I would make a few changes, I wouldn't have Keegan and Boyle, McCarthy and O'Sullivan. I base that purely on the whole season, Mayo lost Connagcht and played only one division one team in the Championship. Dublin won both the league and Champioship with a huge contribution from there half back line. I would have Durcan over Mchugh as well, his for in the club championship, and all year in the championship was Mayos best player for me. Keegan is undoubtedly a good player, but the cynical nature of his play in both finals, isn't something that should be esteemed. I wouldn't give Philly McMahon one eiter, had a mediocre year for me.
Clarke getting one is just mischief making, I'd say Rochford is bulling. He had a good steady year,meh was in and out of the team and dropped, he wasn't great in the first game of the final either. I would give it to Comerford from Tip. A small enough midfield his kick out were excellent, pound for pound best kepper this year.
Wouldn't have Paul Geaney either, again Kerry were beaten in the league final and didn't play division side until the semi, a game he was taken off in whatever your opinion on that. Kevin Mc, deserves a shout but I would have Cillian O' Connor in my team.
Guess you have to throw a bone around the provinces though.
Anyway happy enough Dublin got of light.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 03/11/2016 19:59:51
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Replying To Mobot: "I'm surprised Mattie Donnelly got in. Don't get me wrong he's a quality player but the fact he missed the majority of the Ulster final and Tyrone lost in the quarters I think he's fortunate. Fenton was obviously nailed on so the other midfield spot was up for grabs. For me Peter Acheson or Gary Brennan were ahead of Donnelly in the pecking order. Feel sorry for Kevin McManamon. Had a great season up until the final. I don't think any forward covered themselves in glory in the drawn game and I thought he done okay in the replay. If the drawn game didn't happen he was a shoe in. Delighted for Ryan McHugh, he had an excellent individual season even if Donegal were off the pace. Overall it's a pretty fair all star team. It would of been great for Clare football if Brennan had got the nod but it wasn't to be." No disrespect man but Donnelly would walk onto any county in midfield bar none - his selection a no brainer tbh.
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 03/11/2016 21:11:12
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Strange decision that clarke gets goalkeeper spot despite being dropped for the all ireland final replay yet kev mcmannoman and Stephen cluxton both loose out on player of the year nominations after been front runners and an all star altogether on the back of only having in one case 10 minutes of a bad game and in the other case one bad game in the drawn all ireland final for the whole year. No consitency in the selection process
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 03/11/2016 21:23:11
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Replying To TheUsername: "Glad the Dublin lads didn't get to many deserved more, but happier they take it easy and the individual award system doesn't fit with the Dublin philospehy.
Not a fan of the all stars any system that hasn't recognised euth Colm Cooper or Connolly as players of the years in terms of general play quality, influence and success is flawed.
I would make a few changes, I wouldn't have Keegan and Boyle, McCarthy and O'Sullivan. I base that purely on the whole season, Mayo lost Connagcht and played only one division one team in the Championship. Dublin won both the league and Champioship with a huge contribution from there half back line. I would have Durcan over Mchugh as well, his for in the club championship, and all year in the championship was Mayos best player for me. Keegan is undoubtedly a good player, but the cynical nature of his play in both finals, isn't something that should be esteemed. I wouldn't give Philly McMahon one eiter, had a mediocre year for me.
Clarke getting one is just mischief making, I'd say Rochford is bulling. He had a good steady year,meh was in and out of the team and dropped, he wasn't great in the first game of the final either. I would give it to Comerford from Tip. A small enough midfield his kick out were excellent, pound for pound best kepper this year.
Wouldn't have Paul Geaney either, again Kerry were beaten in the league final and didn't play division side until the semi, a game he was taken off in whatever your opinion on that. Kevin Mc, deserves a shout but I would have Cillian O' Connor in my team.
Guess you have to throw a bone around the provinces though.
Anyway happy enough Dublin got of light." Wasn't Mayo's fault who they got in the championship they could only play what was put out in front of them , as for Keegan well he deserves to be there and should get POTY In my opinion , did the man marking role on Cavanagh , Quinlivan and Connolly twice very well and even chipped in with a few scores
MonaghanGlory (Monaghan) - Posts: 738 - 03/11/2016 23:03:54
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Replying To Toothless: "How were the Dubs lucky to win? a One point loss flattered Mayo" That's just nonsense. Mayo were the better side over the two games and only sheer bad luck stopped them winning.
Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 03/11/2016 23:53:02
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Replying To IrishGael3: "No disrespect man but Donnelly would walk onto any county in midfield bar none - his selection a no brainer tbh." Yes Mattie Donnelly had great year and deserved his all star anyone thinks different have not watch football much
Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 04/11/2016 00:02:24
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Replying To TheUsername: "Glad the Dublin lads didn't get to many deserved more, but happier they take it easy and the individual award system doesn't fit with the Dublin philospehy.
Not a fan of the all stars any system that hasn't recognised euth Colm Cooper or Connolly as players of the years in terms of general play quality, influence and success is flawed.
I would make a few changes, I wouldn't have Keegan and Boyle, McCarthy and O'Sullivan. I base that purely on the whole season, Mayo lost Connagcht and played only one division one team in the Championship. Dublin won both the league and Champioship with a huge contribution from there half back line. I would have Durcan over Mchugh as well, his for in the club championship, and all year in the championship was Mayos best player for me. Keegan is undoubtedly a good player, but the cynical nature of his play in both finals, isn't something that should be esteemed. I wouldn't give Philly McMahon one eiter, had a mediocre year for me.
Clarke getting one is just mischief making, I'd say Rochford is bulling. He had a good steady year,meh was in and out of the team and dropped, he wasn't great in the first game of the final either. I would give it to Comerford from Tip. A small enough midfield his kick out were excellent, pound for pound best kepper this year.
Wouldn't have Paul Geaney either, again Kerry were beaten in the league final and didn't play division side until the semi, a game he was taken off in whatever your opinion on that. Kevin Mc, deserves a shout but I would have Cillian O' Connor in my team.
Guess you have to throw a bone around the provinces though.
Anyway happy enough Dublin got of light." So geaney doesn't deserve an all star because Kerry lost the league final (a game he missed through injury), and because he was taken off in the semi (a Factor he had no control over). Just out of interest, would you have ahead of him?
And to those saying cluxton was robbed and deserved a poty nomination, come on! He damn near cost his team their place in the final the one time during the season he was pressured on his kickouts. He has it easy 99% of the time as teams don't push up but when they do there is always a mistake in him. Comerford and Clarke both ahead of him for me.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 04/11/2016 00:54:21
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Every man on this selection fully deserves his all star,
Its pitiful to criticize any of them.
ulleJ1 (Leitrim) - Posts: 18 - 04/11/2016 01:36:55
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Stephen Cluxton doesn't make it over a keeper that was a sub for the first champo game and for the last champo game. He's basically being punished for one bad kick out that Kerry made the most of other than that he was rock solid as always. Dublin would never ever consider dropping Cluxton Mayo considered it twice with Clarke yet he's the all star, Durkan gave Kerry the all Ireland in '14 yet still won an all star. If any other county went unbeaten this year and bet the best teams in both competition's they'd have way more than 6 players on the team.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 04/11/2016 07:33:29
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Replying To clondalkindub: "Stephen Cluxton doesn't make it over a keeper that was a sub for the first champo game and for the last champo game. He's basically being punished for one bad kick out that Kerry made the most of other than that he was rock solid as always. Dublin would never ever consider dropping Cluxton Mayo considered it twice with Clarke yet he's the all star, Durkan gave Kerry the all Ireland in '14 yet still won an all star. If any other county went unbeaten this year and bet the best teams in both competition's they'd have way more than 6 players on the team." For the love of God man will you take the blue tinted glasses off??
You think he had 1 bad kickout all year?? What about the one clean over the sideline 30 seconds after that "1 bad kickout". What about his howler against Down in the league? (I reference the league bwcause you said unbeaten all year).
It was harsh enough on Clarke to be dropped for an all Ireland final that everyone now knows Mayo would otherwise have won, but to discredit his all star in light of that is even worse IMO.
I thought Comerford would get it, but Clarke did. I respect the decision of the selection panel, I think this year is the best all star selection I've ever seen in terms of absolute fairness.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 04/11/2016 08:58:28
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Congrats to all the recipients, fully deserved
suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1672 - 04/11/2016 09:36:19
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "So geaney doesn't deserve an all star because Kerry lost the league final (a game he missed through injury), and because he was taken off in the semi (a Factor he had no control over). Just out of interest, would you have ahead of him?
And to those saying cluxton was robbed and deserved a poty nomination, come on! He damn near cost his team their place in the final the one time during the season he was pressured on his kickouts. He has it easy 99% of the time as teams don't push up but when they do there is always a mistake in him. Comerford and Clarke both ahead of him for me." Of course geaney deserves his.
As for cluxton in that very game he had what 3 out of 22 kickouts didn't find a man haha most keepers would be celebrating with a return like that so don't get where I think he could have cost anything.
he makes it seem that easy any keeper can do the same if they had his ability.
the point is the fact there's no consistency in the selection process sure Clarke didnt even make the mayo keeper in connaught he was not in the team and then was dropped in the all ireland final, so makes no sense how you can make a case that cluxton had one bad spell in one game and doesn't deserve it but Clarke wasn't even picked for three games and deserves it? Not saying he's not a very good keeper but to overlook cluxton and kev Mac for them reasons of one bad spell and one bad game, where as effectively clarke had 2 and half bad games as he wasn't on the pitch haha
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/11/2016 09:39:58
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Isnt it journalists pick the all stars?
It's a bit ironic that journalists all year were saying Dublin full back line is there weak spot even going into the all ireland final replay and then they decide to give two out of the three full back spots to us on their all star team haha
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/11/2016 09:44:46
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Replying To TheUsername: "Glad the Dublin lads didn't get to many deserved more, but happier they take it easy and the individual award system doesn't fit with the Dublin philospehy.
Not a fan of the all stars any system that hasn't recognised euth Colm Cooper or Connolly as players of the years in terms of general play quality, influence and success is flawed.
I would make a few changes, I wouldn't have Keegan and Boyle, McCarthy and O'Sullivan. I base that purely on the whole season, Mayo lost Connagcht and played only one division one team in the Championship. Dublin won both the league and Champioship with a huge contribution from there half back line. I would have Durcan over Mchugh as well, his for in the club championship, and all year in the championship was Mayos best player for me. Keegan is undoubtedly a good player, but the cynical nature of his play in both finals, isn't something that should be esteemed. I wouldn't give Philly McMahon one eiter, had a mediocre year for me.
Clarke getting one is just mischief making, I'd say Rochford is bulling. He had a good steady year,meh was in and out of the team and dropped, he wasn't great in the first game of the final either. I would give it to Comerford from Tip. A small enough midfield his kick out were excellent, pound for pound best kepper this year.
Wouldn't have Paul Geaney either, again Kerry were beaten in the league final and didn't play division side until the semi, a game he was taken off in whatever your opinion on that. Kevin Mc, deserves a shout but I would have Cillian O' Connor in my team.
Guess you have to throw a bone around the provinces though.
Anyway happy enough Dublin got of light." Agree re Cooper, but in what year would you haven Connolly POTY?
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 04/11/2016 09:51:42
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Replying To ulleJ1: "Every man on this selection fully deserves his all star,
Its pitiful to criticize any of them." That's it they all do.
At the margins it's so close. There's very little between the likes of Durkan, McHugh, O'Sullivan, Boyle but not all of them can get one.
In any years there's probably somewhere between 5-10 nailed on, the other 5-10 there could probably be good arguments made for 15-20 players. The final decision then is very subjective but no matter what it'll leave some players unlucky to miss out.
I don't think there were any glaring inclusions or exclusions.
Durkan, McMannamon, Brennan all probably missed out narrowly. The first 2 were in competitive positions.
Brennan missed out to a star performer from a team who won division 2 at a canter and also won an Ulster championship and were narrowly beaten by a top team in the quarterfinals.
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