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Drinking ban culture in GAA

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Replying To gotmilk:  "If i'm driving on a night out i would much rather sit in a pub than go to a night club or disco. You can't hold a conversation in a night club, I can't dance. In a pub you can sit around a table and have the craic. Much better.

Why the anti drink crusade hill? I know you will say it kills more people but wouldn't that be down to the fact it is more readily available?"
Haha just learn to dance, plus nightclub has far better view haha and you can easily have conversation that's what smoking areas are for.
just don't see why something that is one of the biggest killers in the country is held in such high esteem if it was any other drug it would have been banned without any discussion, plus there's no actual benefits to alcohol consumption at least cannabis has actual benifits to it for certain people.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/10/2016 16:00:57    1929872

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Haha just learn to dance, plus nightclub has far better view haha and you can easily have conversation that's what smoking areas are for.
just don't see why something that is one of the biggest killers in the country is held in such high esteem if it was any other drug it would have been banned without any discussion, plus there's no actual benefits to alcohol consumption at least cannabis has actual benifits to it for certain people."
I would argue that standing for long spells in a night club smoking room would be worse for you than going on the rip for a night!

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9155 - 28/10/2016 16:24:17    1929880

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "
Replying To janesboro:  "in rugby and soccer they come out and warm up and then go back into the dressing rooms get their jerseys on get their team talk and the effects of the warm up are lost. Your body looses the effects of the warm up within 15 minutes and your body returns to its normal state thus making their warm up pointless as they begin the games back at the level their bodies were at before they done any warm up.
The GAA are a leading example of using the warm up to its proper effect of having your body at the level it needs to be at exactly before you start the game by warming up in the 15 minutes before the game situation begins.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11197 - 26/10/2016 15:56:14 19

i guess the 15 minute half time break nullifies the effect of the warm up them!!"
Seriously I just said the benifits go after 15 minutes of a warm up, a warm up is done at a level to prepare you for the match pace to get your heart rate and blood pumping at that level. At half time you are after being playing at a higher level than the warm up so no it doesn't negate it but For me ten minutes would be better though"
I respect alot of what you're saying on this thread as a person who deals with mental healthy issues i've had to all but give the stuff up!

You're wrong about the warm up though, you'd suspect it raises the core temp more but it only raises it 2 to 3 degrees and this last for up to 45 minutes after the warm up.

There's more to it than heating up the blood a bit and getting the blood to the muscles

Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 28/10/2016 17:26:33    1929895

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I would argue that standing for long spells in a night club smoking room would be worse for you than going on the rip for a night!"
At but it's not a room now is it it's an open air area with fresh air

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/10/2016 18:10:13    1929900

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Seansy it depends on what you do as your warm up.
if you do a proper warm up for a sport it lasts 15 minutes the body will return to its normal state id you return to the dressing room seated and not continue to keep the heart rate and blood pumping

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/10/2016 18:12:33    1929902

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "At but it's not a room now is it it's an open air area with fresh air"
speaking as an asthmatic i find it extremely bad for me to be in a smoking area on a night out

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 28/10/2016 22:42:03    1929955

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Replying To alano12:  "speaking as an asthmatic i find it extremely bad for me to be in a smoking area on a night out"
Ok ok smoking area is probably the wrong name for it the outdoor facility of the nightclub where people happen to smoke aswell as congregate not directly beside the actual cigareette is that better for ye, it's open air !!!!!!! They might even have seats before I get people who can't stand for long on to me next

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/10/2016 23:45:09    1929965

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Why not do something as a team instead go to the races or greyhounds or a round of golf or go to a nightclub to pull not get drunk plenty of social things that don't involve being seated and gettin plastered for a long duration.
just never got the enjoyment of sitting in a pub for hours drinking around a table, nightclubs for me far better you can pull dance move around"
As someone who does drink but often has a problem with it I kind of agree with your ideal.

Realistically though drink is deeply embedded in Irish culture. Alcohol will not be prohibited in our lifetime.

Even though I have a problem with it, I still don't feel it should be banned either. Illegal drugs for the most part probably shouldn't be banned either.

Contraband leads to criminality, which very recently has seen a innocent man shot to death while holidaying. I know these vices cause death but at least they are at the users discretion.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4240 - 29/10/2016 08:41:32    1929979

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Seansy it depends on what you do as your warm up.
if you do a proper warm up for a sport it lasts 15 minutes the body will return to its normal state id you return to the dressing room seated and not continue to keep the heart rate and blood pumping"
Sorry there hill but you're wrong, I did this stuff at college!

When you start preparing your body with a warm up, blood flow increases to muscles and this heats the core temperature increasing the elasticity of the muscles and increases enzyme activity of the enzyme's vital to movement.

It takes a lot longer than 15 minute for your body to fully regulate all the changes and return to homeostasis

I don't want to sound like a pompous prat but this is science, I have no idea where you're getting this 15 minutes from and I also have no idea why you'd think professional teams are going into matches less prepared than they should be

Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 29/10/2016 13:20:39    1930010

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Replying To Seansy48:  "Sorry there hill but you're wrong, I did this stuff at college!

When you start preparing your body with a warm up, blood flow increases to muscles and this heats the core temperature increasing the elasticity of the muscles and increases enzyme activity of the enzyme's vital to movement.

It takes a lot longer than 15 minute for your body to fully regulate all the changes and return to homeostasis

I don't want to sound like a pompous prat but this is science, I have no idea where you're getting this 15 minutes from and I also have no idea why you'd think professional teams are going into matches less prepared than they should be"
I'm a fully qualified personal trainer and strength and conditioning coach and fitness class instructor for several disciplines believe me any heart rate drops to a normal level after 15 minutes it's basic stuff be it cardio, resistance training or an excercise to music class.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/10/2016 17:20:53    1930063

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "I'm a fully qualified personal trainer and strength and conditioning coach and fitness class instructor for several disciplines believe me any heart rate drops to a normal level after 15 minutes it's basic stuff be it cardio, resistance training or an excercise to music class."
I'd love to see your qualifications, because that is a pure lie plain and simple. I do several sports and have taken professional level fitness tests over two dozen times and I have never had my heart reset to resting rate after fifteen minutes either in them, in sports or in training.

Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts: 285 - 29/10/2016 19:57:03    1930081

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I never said resting rate did I?
I said the benefits of the raised heart rate and blood reduce to normal levels pre warm so the effects of the warm up are lost.
Why would I lie?
Ask any posters on here or look at my posts I have no track record of anything of that sort, many don't agree with what I have to say that is fine but don't try make out im making up stuff like what I said about my qualifications

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/10/2016 20:25:47    1930090

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "I never said resting rate did I?
I said the benefits of the raised heart rate and blood reduce to normal levels pre warm so the effects of the warm up are lost.
Why would I lie?
Ask any posters on here or look at my posts I have no track record of anything of that sort, many don't agree with what I have to say that is fine but don't try make out im making up stuff like what I said about my qualifications"
"believe me any heart rate drops to a normal level after 15 minutes it's basic stuff"

Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts: 285 - 29/10/2016 21:42:11    1930106

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Why not do something as a team instead go to the races or greyhounds or a round of golf or go to a nightclub to pull not get drunk plenty of social things that don't involve being seated and gettin plastered for a long duration.
just never got the enjoyment of sitting in a pub for hours drinking around a table, nightclubs for me far better you can pull dance move around"
Have you never pulled in a pub?

Douglas_Hyde (Roscommon) - Posts: 90 - 30/10/2016 07:12:12    1930125

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Replying To Douglas_Hyde:  "Have you never pulled in a pub?"
haha nope im married a few years and not 30 yet so kind of limits the owl ones list when your in early 20tys ya know not the type your after haha
didnt spend hardly any time in pubs as it was as like say was never into sitting around a table drinking so again limits the chances of that happening.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/10/2016 09:36:30    1930133

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Replying To Iamlegion666:  ""believe me any heart rate drops to a normal level after 15 minutes it's basic stuff""
yeah a normal heart rate reigns from 60-100
an atheltes resting heart rate is around the 40 beats

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/10/2016 09:39:13    1930134

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "I'm a fully qualified personal trainer and strength and conditioning coach and fitness class instructor for several disciplines believe me any heart rate drops to a normal level after 15 minutes it's basic stuff be it cardio, resistance training or an excercise to music class."
"...rugby and soccer they come out and warm up and then go back into the dressing rooms get their jerseys on get their team talk and the effects of the warm up are lost. Your body looses the effects of the warm up within 15 minutes and your body returns to its normal state thus making their warm up pointless as they begin the games back at the level their bodies were at before they done any warm up.
The GAA are a leading example of using the warm up to its proper effect of having your body at the level it needs to be at exactly before you start the game by warming up in the 15 minutes before the game situation begins."

So you and the GAA know better than the multi-million pound soccer clubs, Manchester Utd., Real Madrid etc.

They employ the worlds top trainers and medical staff, use the most advanced state of the art equipment; but according to you they're doing wrong.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2478 - 30/10/2016 11:00:46    1930143

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "yeah a normal heart rate reigns from 60-100
an atheltes resting heart rate is around the 40 beats"
Yeah your original point was about normal/resting, which are the same thing, heart rates. No idea why you are moving goalposts so much instead of just saying you made a mistake but whatever, don't really care that much.

Iamlegion666 (Monaghan) - Posts: 285 - 30/10/2016 11:40:24    1930145

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""...rugby and soccer they come out and warm up and then go back into the dressing rooms get their jerseys on get their team talk and the effects of the warm up are lost. Your body looses the effects of the warm up within 15 minutes and your body returns to its normal state thus making their warm up pointless as they begin the games back at the level their bodies were at before they done any warm up.
The GAA are a leading example of using the warm up to its proper effect of having your body at the level it needs to be at exactly before you start the game by warming up in the 15 minutes before the game situation begins."

So you and the GAA know better than the multi-million pound soccer clubs, Manchester Utd., Real Madrid etc.

They employ the worlds top trainers and medical staff, use the most advanced state of the art equipment; but according to you they're doing wrong."
simpke answer yes
long winded answer maybe its not the clubs or the strength and conditioning coaches that decide in them sports what time teams do their warm ups , just maybe its the association who actualy dictate like every other aspect of them sports as to the match day scheaduale, maybe it has something to do with getting the people into the ground for a certain time, who knows but its not rocket science if you do a warm up you are preparing yourself for a match situation so if you ask any of them players you can bet your last euro they will all say of course we would rather go straight into a match than go back into the dressing room and let the body cool down again as when they finish their warm ups they are ready to play thats the point of it.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/10/2016 12:35:48    1930161

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simpke answer yes
long winded answer maybe its not the clubs or the strength and conditioning coaches that decide in them sports what time teams do their warm ups , just maybe its the association who actualy dictate like every other aspect of them sports as to the match day scheaduale, maybe it has something to do with getting the people into the ground for a certain time, who knows but its not rocket science if you do a warm up you are preparing yourself for a match situation so if you ask any of them players you can bet your last euro they will all say of course we would rather go straight into a match than go back into the dressing room and let the body cool down again as when they finish their warm ups they are ready to play thats the point of it.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11251 - 30/10/2016 12:35:48 Your incorrect and the players dont go straight in to dressing rooms and cool down/lose out on benefits of a warm up. The adrenaline is in and mindset is going and its fine and the rugby set up works as if it didnt it would have changed. The players bodies dont cool down in the dressing rooms. They will in many cases be doing a drill of some kind in a dressing room or hitting a tackle bag in rugby case.
And a situation where you go into a dressing room and come out is much better than walking a parade and the like that is done in GAA

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 30/10/2016 14:59:32    1930177

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