bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 27/10/2016 11:58:32    1929454

Firstly I'm not saying lads should be getting legless every weekend but I think this whole culture at club and county level where lads don't go out cause they've a game in 2 or 3 weeks time is going a bit far.
Look at professional teams they're even allowed to switch off there's the famous picture of the ireland players in the dressing room with bottles and pizza after the Italy game in Euro 2016,even on Saturday the munster players were having bottles after there game against Glasgow,some of those players are coming up against new Zealand Saturday week
wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts:696 - 26/10/2016 12:01:30It is but when teams at the top do it things will always trickle down. The key is the game is Saturday week. The players will have a recovery session the day after a game and they will have 2/3 drinks tops in most cases. Nothing will change though


True but in a lot of GAA teams give them an inch and they'll take a mile with regard to drinking.
Seen members of Irish Rugby team out on a Tuesday night in Dublin week after playing a 6 Nations game 10/11 days before next game. Wouldn't happen with GAA county teams?
theDagger1986 (Cavan) - Posts:28 - 26/10/2016 12:52:41 Theyre pros and depending on training schedule they mightn't have a session on a Wednesday 10/11 days out from a game if they played the weekend before.
Probably wouldn't happen with GAA county players but those guys work full time so wouldn't be going for drinks with work the next day now would they?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/10/2016 12:49:29    1929481

The no drinking attitude is a big load of crap. Of course you can't perform at the very top if you are out on a Saturday drinking 10 pints and throwing a burger in on top of it, but I think 2-3 pints is ran out of most players in the first 15-20 minutes of training the next day.
Although still to this day what appalled me the most is Davy Fitz treatment of Davy O'Halloran and Nicky O'Connell. They weren't even drinking, yet got treated like that.
We have enough problems in modern Ireland with depression, gambling, etc. Young lads need a social life and a release from hurling,
football, training, matches, etc too.
Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts:3533 - 26/10/2016 13:21:13 2-3 pints isn't ran out of someone in first 15-20 minutes the next day and while players do need a social life and release why go to pub? Go for a walk/go to the cinema etc

Felt those pictures were disgraceful.
what sort of message is that sending out.
Alcohol is a drug always remember that.
just because society legalises it doesn't make it any less harmful than if it was illegal. It has no benefits to your body so why the need to use it after a game?
It says more about the type of people who feel they need to get it in them as there only form of celebrating anything in their life, than people who don't and can celebrate without the need to have to get legless to enjoy a good occasion.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11205 - 26/10/2016 15:21:27 Oh Mrs Lovejoy wont somebody think of the children territory here....

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/10/2016 12:52:38    1929483

The reason is that it's good craic when enjoyed properly and in moderation. It lowers peoples' inhibitions, relaxes them and adds to the general feeling of good humor and contentedness. For sure, people go overboard and drink to excess but the vast majority can and do enjoy alcohol sensibly.
So if the Irish team, with the blessing of their manager, wanted to enjoy a few suds after a big win then why not? Get off the high horse man.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts:4906 - 26/10/2016 15:34:14 Yep. You will regularly see the players have a drink after a game. Sure after the Connacht Ulster game in Galway a few weeks back. There was no post match meal. The players had dominos in the dressing room instead of it and they all or virtually all had a few beers as well.


If you don't drink then I say fair play to you but this topic is about the Drinking Ban placed on GAA players that doesn't make sense where compared to other sports.
In actual fact a drinking ban wont stop me from having a drink. I will have a beer at home. What it stops me doing is actually going out and socialising in a pub because drinking or not all that the manager hears in that you were out.
dstuction (Donegal) - Posts:1051 - 26/10/2016 15:41:26 Spot on.

There's lots of things professional sports like rugby and soccer do that makes no sense, people seem to think because they get paid and have the word pro in front of them it means that must be doing everything correctly.
one major example to take on board is the warm up situation.
in rugby and soccer they come out and warm up and then go back into the dressing rooms get their jerseys on get their team talk and the effects of the warm up are lost. Your body looses the effects of the warm up within 15 minutes and your body returns to its normal state thus making their warm up pointless as they begin the games back at the level their bodies were at before they done any warm up.
The GAA are a leading example of using the warm up to its proper effect of having your body at the level it needs to be at exactly before you start the game by warming up in the 15 minutes before the game situation begins.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11205 - 26/10/2016 15:56:14So you know better than all the fitness coaches and s&c coaches then? You realise that they wouldn't do that if they thought it was harmful to their match prep.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/10/2016 13:01:47    1929490

Not exaggerating but the drunkest group of lads I have ever seen was a provincial rugby team.
Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts:10583 - 26/10/2016 16:23:13 No doubt as they don't drink heavily that much. Quite a lot rarely drink and if they do they keep it to a small few.

It's an addictive drug that creates a change in personality and makes people become reliant on it for those reasons you stated loosing their inhibitions and mental state which is the biggest selling point for the addiction to it without you knowing, people then become reliant on it to feel anyway like that. when you were young a child a teenager you didnt need alcohol to find a way to enjoy youself did you or become good humored and content, so why not find a way of allowing your mind do the same thing without using a harmfull drug? its only excepted in society that its a good thing simply because its legal.
the vast majority dont drink alcohol sensibly,ireland has the second highest rate of binge drinking in the world.
75% of alcohol consumed in Ireland is done so as part of binge drinking.
The use of alcohol is a factor in more than 200 disease and injury conditions, so just because you didnt physically see the damage it causes when you drink dont be fooled into thinking its harmless.
One in four deaths of young men aged 15-39 in Ireland is due to alcohol.
Alcohol is a factor in half of all suicides in Ireland. Alcohol is also involved in over a third of cases of deliberate self-harm.
Every day, 1,500 beds in our overcrowded hospitals are occupied by people with alcohol-related problems.
Alcohol-related discharges from hospital cost the tax-payer €1.5 billion a year.
People in the public eye like heralded sports people need to be sending out a good message not promoting a drug.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11205 - 26/10/2016 16:33:17Mrs Lovejoy calm down. OTT. Completely OTT

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/10/2016 13:04:42    1929491

Rugby has been mentioned 5 or 6 times on this thread, but still no sign of Ormondthebanner. That must be a record. Hope he's alright.
himachechy (Donegal) - Posts:38 - 26/10/2016 17:06:41 Who are you considering ive never conversed with you before and you don't even know my name?


lockjaw
yes it should be illegal
alcohol contributes directly to over half of all drug related deaths every year in ireland and the numbers are growing
while the illegal drug numbers of deaths are falling year in year out.
if it was anything else we were talking about it would be made illegal a long time ago.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11205 - 26/10/2016 17:18:39HAHAHA. If alcohol should be illegal then cut all things out of our lives that could cause harm. Nonsense.


in rugby and soccer they come out and warm up and then go back into the dressing rooms get their jerseys on get their team talk and the effects of the warm up are lost. Your body looses the effects of the warm up within 15 minutes and your body returns to its normal state thus making their warm up pointless as they begin the games back at the level their bodies were at before they done any warm up.
The GAA are a leading example of using the warm up to its proper effect of having your body at the level it needs to be at exactly before you start the game by warming up in the 15 minutes before the game situation begins.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11197 - 26/10/2016 15:56:14 19And you know the affects of the warm up are lost? How do the players LOSE what they did in the warm up considering their pro coaches in s&c etc don't advise them to act differently?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/10/2016 13:08:18    1929493

73forever (Limerick) - Posts: 89 - 27/10/2016 13:13:54    1929497

Biggest problem with alcohol isn't the hangover it's dehydration, playing any sport after alcohol hinders your game, your speed of thought, your reflexes etc, I played a few games with lads that were hung over or still drunk, they made so many mistakes that the rest of the team had to work twice as hard to make up for them, it's a bad sign when you see 1 of them staggering to the sidling to chat to somebody in the stand while the game is still on, now no drinking 2 or 3 weeks is correct, some teams do spot checks on players, a urine sample will show dehydration or not, maybe a text to say training in a few hours, wouldn't you look well drunk the night before thinking no training or game for a week or 2 and get caught out, then there's social media, somebody somewhere always has a camera out and you as a major player for your team will be the eejet that had their snap taken on the lash when no booze ban was in place
riverboys (Mayo) - Posts:740 - 26/10/2016 23:17:50 If playing on any amateur team and I was asked for a urine sample to see if I had been drinking or not id tell whoever asked to f*** off and never play for them again. That is totalitarian nonsense that has no place in something people do as a past time.


exactly..this extreme nonsense has never worked and never will
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts:803 - 26/10/2016 23:29:56And you would be crazy to think it would work

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/10/2016 13:15:28    1929499

Don't be so patronising. I'm fully aware of the disastrous consequences alcohol abuse has on Irish society. I would contend that you could ask any Irish person over the age of 18 if they knew of someone who abuses alcohol on a regular basis, and they'd be able to answer yes.
Banning alcohol is not the answer. Only through education will we see the mindset changing. It may take a generation or two because drink is such an embedded part of our culture.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts:4906 - 27/10/2016 10:00:02 Yep. spot on

Teams going on alcohol bans is disappointing and amature carry on. Munster rugby dont have a drinking ban. its only GAA that do this rubbish. But like I said the latest stats show that the under 20s are drinking less and I can see the attitude change. Its not as acceptable to be drunk now on a night out. Long way to go though i see that cancer is being linked more and more with alcohol.. then theres the liver...stomach..empty carbs in beer and the estrogen and testosterone suppression. Think about it.. Every pint beer does some damage to testosterone levels.
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts:432 - 27/10/2016 11:58:32Drink bans are AMATUER... Its not only the GAA that do have drinking bans but in most cases theyre simply unsaid rules and players will enforce it themselves.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/10/2016 13:18:12    1929501

I'm wondering how many county teams actually enforce this drink ban. Clare hurlers under Davy Fitz aside, has anyone got any inside info on other counties and whether or not they would enforce this notion?

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 27/10/2016 14:22:01    1929534

What ever about players not drinking, some supporters should question why they go to matches (in any sport) if they are getting p**sed. Is the sport in question not entertainment enough for them or if they insisted on getting pissed could they not watch it on TV at home or in the pub? They could then inflict their drunkeness on other like-minded people - people who need drink to enjoy the game.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 27/10/2016 14:56:38    1929548

ormando quite simply you see the word pro and you throw yourself down to their every word
but my clare/tipperary friend (depending what side of the bed you get up in the morning)
you assume for a guy with all that education that im not a fully qualified strength and conditioning coach myself
maybe just maybe because im not attached to a PRO RUGBY team I cannot surely be fully qualified in health and fitness
have they lied to you are they actually wrong in the pro sports world ???????????? its ok just find a seat you will get over the shock.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 27/10/2016 17:42:30    1929608

ormando quite simply you see the word pro and you throw yourself down to their every word
but my clare/tipperary friend (depending what side of the bed you get up in the morning)
you assume for a guy with all that education that im not a fully qualified strength and conditioning coach myself
maybe just maybe because im not attached to a PRO RUGBY team I cannot surely be fully qualified in health and fitness
have they lied to you are they actually wrong in the pro sports world ???????????? its ok just find a seat you will get over the shock.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts:11212 - 27/10/2016 17:42:30 hullman i dont throw myself down to anything i think its fairly clear that the pros working with the pro rugby sides know what theyre on about as the same thing is done in multiple sports world wide and it isnt just rugby so are all the fitness pros and s&c pros wrong in these sports or simply put you are wrong.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/10/2016 22:54:57    1929704

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 27/10/2016 23:32:18    1929717

Can't see the problem with lads having a couple of pints the morning of a game.
Much more relaxed and free flowing approach can only help them perform better. Less likely to sustain an injury surely aswell as the body will be supple and can absorb a hefty tackle better.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 28/10/2016 12:48:59    1929806

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/10/2016 13:25:19    1929817

I just don't think drinking bans are very good to promote a responsible attitude to drinking.

When the ban ends it's almost always followed by a massive bender.

It's power for the course for elder players, part of the culture.

That culture though is passed on. The younger players get involved and it's cemented.

There's a culture throughout the GAA around getting absolutely pissed after championship and other big games, win or lose, it's not good and drinking bans IMHO only fuel it.

In soccer there's a different culture. Everyone tries to go down to the pub for one after most games. Obviously some stay on and have much more. It is much easier, though, for someone to go down, have one, have a bit of a craic for an hour, talk about the game and head on.

I think that approach is much better than the whole team super sessions that regularly happen in the GAA after big games.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4240 - 28/10/2016 13:48:14    1929828

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 28/10/2016 14:36:01    1929842

Why not do something as a team instead go to the races or greyhounds or a round of golf or go to a nightclub to pull not get drunk plenty of social things that don't involve being seated and gettin plastered for a long duration.
just never got the enjoyment of sitting in a pub for hours drinking around a table, nightclubs for me far better you can pull dance move around

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/10/2016 14:42:14    1929844

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 28/10/2016 15:32:19    1929861