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I wonder could we end up in a situation where the county players don't play for their clubs? For example, if you get picked for the county squad for a particular season you don't get to play for your club. Not saying it is a great idea but we might be edging ever closer to it.
Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 19/10/2016 14:02:28
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Delighted to see this happening and I wish them the very best of luck.
Sad sad indictment of the GAA that they have failed so dismally 99% of their adult player members.
Peronsally, I called a halt to my club career this year in disgust at the fixture list. We started training in January, had a load of league matches in the rain and shite of January and February, then a league match only here and there when the good weather came. As for the championship, one game on April and then 4 in 4 weeks in August (I missed the first two as had booked holidays for first two weeks of August presuming that the old rule of not having championship during builders holidays would hold true)....
I now am playing with a decent rugby team. Every single fixture and training session is set in stone, I literally know where and whom against I'll be playing as far ahead as next April. All the training sessions are set out and even some challenge matches already fixed for gaps in fixtures. I can plan holidays, weekends away etc like any other normal person.
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1319 - 19/10/2016 14:08:02
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Honestly to me it makes no sense at all.
The players are club members. The clubs AGM elect their representative to the county board meetings. This meeting elects the county board officials and their provincial representative and their central congress representatives and so on and so on.
So why do the players not get themselves elected as county board representatives??? By their own clubs????
Then they control everything?
witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 19/10/2016 14:37:41
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Strength in numbers!
If the CPA can put together a plan of action that a lot of people will gladly sign up under
Then they have a great chance.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 19/10/2016 14:45:00
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Replying To witnof: "Honestly to me it makes no sense at all.
The players are club members. The clubs AGM elect their representative to the county board meetings. This meeting elects the county board officials and their provincial representative and their central congress representatives and so on and so on.
So why do the players not get themselves elected as county board representatives??? By their own clubs????
Then they control everything?" They don't want to control everything. They don't need to have a say in every aspect of the association. They want to lobby here in the now specifically for their better treatment. If the GAA listen they could easily disband again.
It's a country wide problem so it needs country wide representation. How would you coordinate getting club players from every county onto their county boards to push a unified agenda without some sort of central group in existence.
It makes perfect sense and is long overdue!
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 19/10/2016 15:16:23
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Replying To Green_Gold: "I wonder could we end up in a situation where the county players don't play for their clubs? For example, if you get picked for the county squad for a particular season you don't get to play for your club. Not saying it is a great idea but we might be edging ever closer to it." It's the thin edge of the wedge. These so called county players who have been coached from walking to where they are now was due to the selfless commitment of club people the length and breadth of the country. It's been my opinion ever since the gpa were taken under the wing of central council that down the line { prob within the next 2/3 years } we will see these same players being offered semi-pro contracts similar to the provincial rugby squads. Yes they will still be player members of clubs as per the rules but clubs will only get their services once they are finished with the counties involvement in competition or when they require game time after recuperation from injury.
Just look at some of the proposals for restructuring the county scene, nowhere does it seem that a reduction in games is proposed, so it shows where the focus is for the decision makers. So if as P Duffy says it is not motivated by money what does he take the members for? It is certainly not in the interest of the clubs who once again will be left twiddling and unable to make long term plans. Any wonder the numbers of lads heading overseas for the summer is increasing each year when they can't get game time at home in the good weather and jump at the chance to travel, get reliable fixtures, maybe make a few quid from a job and have a life that is liveable. Yeah this is the great gaa we all hear about, it's the hub of communities etc, yes it is but the powers in croke park are doing their damnedest to destroy it.
bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 19/10/2016 15:22:59
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Replying To witnof: "Honestly to me it makes no sense at all.
The players are club members. The clubs AGM elect their representative to the county board meetings. This meeting elects the county board officials and their provincial representative and their central congress representatives and so on and so on.
So why do the players not get themselves elected as county board representatives??? By their own clubs????
Then they control everything?" have you got 3 nights per week to go to gaa meetings?given my commitment to underage hurling in my club,i sure don't.
perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 19/10/2016 15:43:32
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Replying To bulmccabe: "It's the thin edge of the wedge. These so called county players who have been coached from walking to where they are now was due to the selfless commitment of club people the length and breadth of the country. It's been my opinion ever since the gpa were taken under the wing of central council that down the line { prob within the next 2/3 years } we will see these same players being offered semi-pro contracts similar to the provincial rugby squads. Yes they will still be player members of clubs as per the rules but clubs will only get their services once they are finished with the counties involvement in competition or when they require game time after recuperation from injury.
Just look at some of the proposals for restructuring the county scene, nowhere does it seem that a reduction in games is proposed, so it shows where the focus is for the decision makers. So if as P Duffy says it is not motivated by money what does he take the members for? It is certainly not in the interest of the clubs who once again will be left twiddling and unable to make long term plans. Any wonder the numbers of lads heading overseas for the summer is increasing each year when they can't get game time at home in the good weather and jump at the chance to travel, get reliable fixtures, maybe make a few quid from a job and have a life that is liveable. Yeah this is the great gaa we all hear about, it's the hub of communities etc, yes it is but the powers in croke park are doing their damnedest to destroy it." I don't think a reduction in the number of inter county games is needed. Just better scheduling. There are roughly 60 intercounty football matches. These were scheduled to take place over 19 weeks. That's just ridiculous.
14 weeks May to Aug Bank holiday. Bang the games out.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 19/10/2016 15:58:11
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Replying To bulmccabe: "It's the thin edge of the wedge. These so called county players who have been coached from walking to where they are now was due to the selfless commitment of club people the length and breadth of the country. It's been my opinion ever since the gpa were taken under the wing of central council that down the line { prob within the next 2/3 years } we will see these same players being offered semi-pro contracts similar to the provincial rugby squads. Yes they will still be player members of clubs as per the rules but clubs will only get their services once they are finished with the counties involvement in competition or when they require game time after recuperation from injury.
Just look at some of the proposals for restructuring the county scene, nowhere does it seem that a reduction in games is proposed, so it shows where the focus is for the decision makers. So if as P Duffy says it is not motivated by money what does he take the members for? It is certainly not in the interest of the clubs who once again will be left twiddling and unable to make long term plans. Any wonder the numbers of lads heading overseas for the summer is increasing each year when they can't get game time at home in the good weather and jump at the chance to travel, get reliable fixtures, maybe make a few quid from a job and have a life that is liveable. Yeah this is the great gaa we all hear about, it's the hub of communities etc, yes it is but the powers in croke park are doing their damnedest to destroy it." You don't need to reduce the number of games at all, its the training to playing ratio thats the problem - just play games more frequently without this 6 weeks gaps between - its madness that the inter county season lasts 6 months but you only get 4 or 5 proper games in all that...
73forever (Limerick) - Posts: 89 - 19/10/2016 16:09:28
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Replying To bulmccabe: "It's the thin edge of the wedge. These so called county players who have been coached from walking to where they are now was due to the selfless commitment of club people the length and breadth of the country. It's been my opinion ever since the gpa were taken under the wing of central council that down the line { prob within the next 2/3 years } we will see these same players being offered semi-pro contracts similar to the provincial rugby squads. Yes they will still be player members of clubs as per the rules but clubs will only get their services once they are finished with the counties involvement in competition or when they require game time after recuperation from injury.
Just look at some of the proposals for restructuring the county scene, nowhere does it seem that a reduction in games is proposed, so it shows where the focus is for the decision makers. So if as P Duffy says it is not motivated by money what does he take the members for? It is certainly not in the interest of the clubs who once again will be left twiddling and unable to make long term plans. Any wonder the numbers of lads heading overseas for the summer is increasing each year when they can't get game time at home in the good weather and jump at the chance to travel, get reliable fixtures, maybe make a few quid from a job and have a life that is liveable. Yeah this is the great gaa we all hear about, it's the hub of communities etc, yes it is but the powers in croke park are doing their damnedest to destroy it." bulmccabe I think you could be right, we are heading for a situation where the county players are semi-professional and won't be available to the clubs. That would be a sad development. Or maybe some people would see this as good for the club players, they would be able to get on with their games during the summer months. It would punish clubs who have a lot of county players. What do club players think - would you rather get on with your championship without the county players?
On a side note, there was a suggestion that one of the issues that county players have with injuries and burnout was because of the different training regimes implemented at county and club level. For example, the club & county teams are aiming to peak at different times of the year & this put a lot of strain in their bodies.
Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 19/10/2016 16:12:07
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Replying To Green_Gold: "bulmccabe I think you could be right, we are heading for a situation where the county players are semi-professional and won't be available to the clubs. That would be a sad development. Or maybe some people would see this as good for the club players, they would be able to get on with their games during the summer months. It would punish clubs who have a lot of county players. What do club players think - would you rather get on with your championship without the county players?
On a side note, there was a suggestion that one of the issues that county players have with injuries and burnout was because of the different training regimes implemented at county and club level. For example, the club & county teams are aiming to peak at different times of the year & this put a lot of strain in their bodies." I think league without county players, championships with county players is fine.
Block of the whole intercounty season to the 22 weeks from March to Aug bank holiday.
7 weeks league, 1 week break. 14 weeks to play off championship from then. 7 for Provincials 7 for AI series.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 19/10/2016 16:48:51
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Get rid of the provincial champs and the O'Byrne cups etc. League and streamlined championship. A and B based on league.
This new organisation is a good idea.
sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 19/10/2016 17:48:18
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Replying To witnof: "Honestly to me it makes no sense at all.
The players are club members. The clubs AGM elect their representative to the county board meetings. This meeting elects the county board officials and their provincial representative and their central congress representatives and so on and so on.
So why do the players not get themselves elected as county board representatives??? By their own clubs????
Then they control everything?" If the CPA take that approach I reckon there may be and I stress maybe some change around 2030. The wheels of change grind very slowly in the GAA. The CPA can potentially have the backing of 99.5% of the adult playing population. I dare say they will have the backing of the majority of county players who are also club players.
It's time now for some radical thinking and action. As I said earlier the frustration amongst club players is building for a long time now. It'll take some dedicated and strong men to lead it but it's great to see the momentum gathering
I think the link below will explain alot
http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/162513/The_Movement_for_a_Gaelic_Club_Players_Association
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Dublin quarter finals at 6.45 last night and tonight. How is that fair on lads working up to 5 o'clock and expected to be in the dressing room for 5.45 most likely. Baring in mind, its their only their third game and they probably training since January.
Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts: 186 - 20/10/2016 12:21:07
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Wonder will the CPA tackle the blight that is under counter payments to club managers which is financially killing clubs ??
lasertech (UK) - Posts: 129 - 03/12/2016 11:23:54
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Dublin quarter finals at 6.45 last night and tonight. How is that fair on lads working up to 5 o'clock and expected to be in the dressing room for 5.45 most likely. Baring in mind, its their only their third game and they probably training since January.
Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts:159 - 20/10/2016 12:21:07 Its perfectly fine. You finish at 5 or earlier if you can arrange it. Have your gear with you and if it was only their 3rd game in this competition then so be it they would have had plenty of games in other competitions.
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 03/12/2016 18:46:19
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