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http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/paulrouse-flawed-logic-to-gaa-stadium-policy-372017.html jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 15/10/2016 09:18:38 1926410 Link
Well excuse the Gaa for trying to make PuC a comfortable and safe stadium to watch a game. If it was up to people like you Jimbo you'd wait til someone gets seriously injured or worse to do anything about the stadium. It's unsafe and needs revamp. FACT pkboher (Cork) - Posts: 49 - 15/10/2016 09:47:13 1926413 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "The upcoming redevelopment in Cork will cost €70 Million (That's just the projected cost, it could be higher when all is said and done) €40 Million of that will be coming from a combination of Irish tax payer money and GAA funding Considering the current climate with so many rural clubs struggling I for one find €40 Million to be an outrageous amount of funding to be pumped into another grand White elephant project that will sit idle for 85% of the year and lucky to be full twice a year Surely these much needed funds which are obviously available for such projects should be going into growing our games, and reinforcing clubs right across the country Imagine the good that money could do, and the difference it could be making to address the argument of fairness in the modern GAA" Yet another outraged Irish person . God but we do outrage very well in this country . Maybe a little less development money should be pumped in to Dublin and a little more should be pumped in to rural areas . God knows traditional Leinster hurling strongholds like Wexford and Offaly could do with it . Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 15/10/2016 10:02:40 1926417 Link
Replying To Greengrass: "Yet another outraged Irish person . God but we do outrage very well in this country . Maybe a little less development money should be pumped in to Dublin and a little more should be pumped in to rural areas . God knows traditional Leinster hurling strongholds like Wexford and Offaly could do with it ." Yes what we need are stadiums costing scores of millions sitting empty rather than investing in advanced games development projects jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 15/10/2016 10:49:06 1926421 Link
I don't get this attitude that every stadium needs to be full "all the time". With the exception of Premier League stadiums most grounds around the world are mostly only half full. Just watch the Rugby Championship. It has the best teams in world there and grounds are mostly only half full. Watch the Spanish league and grounds rarely ever sell out. What's wrong with having a capacity to support a big game which Cork will get so this white elephant crap is just stupid pkboher (Cork) - Posts: 49 - 15/10/2016 10:57:21 1926422 Link
Replying To pkboher: "I don't get this attitude that every stadium needs to be full "all the time". With the exception of Premier League stadiums most grounds around the world are mostly only half full. Just watch the Rugby Championship. It has the best teams in world there and grounds are mostly only half full. Watch the Spanish league and grounds rarely ever sell out. What's wrong with having a capacity to support a big game which Cork will get so this white elephant crap is just stupid" Look at Limericks situation with the Gaelic Grounds, I've posted a link from their own board Look at McHale Park and the GAA having to step in This is what happens when the cost of development far outweighs the commercial revenue it can generate I'm sure Linericks situation will get even worse now with Corks 70 million development soon available in Munster now too €40 million of tax payer/GAA funds should be spent far more productively at present jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 15/10/2016 11:14:53 1926423 Link
Look at Limericks situation with the Gaelic Grounds, I've posted a link from their own board Look at McHale Park and the GAA having to step in This is what happens when the cost of development far outweighs the commercial revenue it can generate I'm sure Linericks situation will get even worse now with Corks 70 million development soon available in Munster now too €40 million of tax payer/GAA funds should be spent far more productively at present jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts:16038 - 15/10/2016 11:14:53 1 I think you make a valid point, as these are not Stadiums that are sold out 20-30 times per year. While I am broadly in favour of upgrading Provincial Grounds, adding better roof coverage, more seating, better toilet facilities and area's for tea/refreshments, I am not in favour of spending £70/€70 million on a corporate events centre. These facilities could be upgraded for a fraction of that type of money. However with regards Games Development, youngsters often to aspire to play in front of a sold out Stadium playing for their County. I often see Croke Park mentioned as hardly ever being filled, but for every young Gael growing up, Croker really is the theatre of dreams, the place they all want to end up playing in. GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 15/10/2016 11:29:47 1926425 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Look at Limericks situation with the Gaelic Grounds, I've posted a link from their own board Look at McHale Park and the GAA having to step in This is what happens when the cost of development far outweighs the commercial revenue it can generate I'm sure Linericks situation will get even worse now with Corks 70 million development soon available in Munster now too €40 million of tax payer/GAA funds should be spent far more productively at present" So what's your solution! Leave it as a health and safety hazard. You're very quick to shoot it down but giving no solution to the current problem. pkboher (Cork) - Posts: 49 - 15/10/2016 11:54:33 1926431 Link
It is very easy sit on the high horse and moralise about stadiums and COE's when you have stadiums already available without having to invest in the facilities. You see when one team already has these resources at hand it's only natural others will try and get as close as possible. The problem is those counties will never reach the top, it's essentially running to stand still, Dublin will always be streets ahead in resources and sports science due to its built in advantages and it's a rat race to not falling further and further behind. If the GAA had any foresight they would have halted the hiring of professionals (bar essentials like physios, doctors etc) into ever expanding back-room teams and implemented an expenditure cap to prevent a massive amount of money leaving the GAA unnecessarily. Of course, they sat on their hands and did nothing and we are left with farcical amounts being wasted on IC spending throughout the country year on year HurlingWarrior (Limerick) - Posts: 61 - 15/10/2016 12:04:36 1926434 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Yes what we need are stadiums costing scores of millions sitting empty rather than investing in advanced games development projects" Plenty of that already being done in Dublin Jimbo because The GAA have provided Dublin with Croke Park and a magnificent centre of excellence in Abbotstown . Every other county builds and maintains their stadia and centres of excellence from their own coffers . It's very easy to lecture from on high about the futility of so called vanity projects when a magnificent stadium, a fabulous centre of excellence and disproportionally high levels of games development grants are provided to you by The GAA . GAA patrons are entitled to comfort and safety when they attend league and championship matches . If high levels of comfort and safety are not adhered to them the health and safety people will close the grounds down . Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 15/10/2016 14:59:55 1926462 Link
It's quite clear Jimbo and friends have never outside the close confines of Croke Park for a game otherwise they'd realise we all don't have the luxury of a state of the art stadium right on our doorstep. Anyone who had been in the Old Stand of PUC knows what I am talking about, the only wonder is how it took so long to knock down and how anyone wasn't seriously hurt or injured (well to my knowledge no one was anyway) HurlingWarrior (Limerick) - Posts: 61 - 15/10/2016 18:17:59 1926493 Link
Replying To HurlingWarrior: "It's quite clear Jimbo and friends have never outside the close confines of Croke Park for a game otherwise they'd realise we all don't have the luxury of a state of the art stadium right on our doorstep. Anyone who had been in the Old Stand of PUC knows what I am talking about, the only wonder is how it took so long to knock down and how anyone wasn't seriously hurt or injured (well to my knowledge no one was anyway)" I've travelled all around Ireland supporting Dublin Personal attacks aside I see there's plenty on here directed at me for posting various stocked relating to this topic All I did was post your own CBs statement regarding the current financial problems that exist in Limerick linked to the Garlic grounds So save the BS. There is a lot of evidence to show that the scores of millions that have been pumped into these projects has been poorly invested and are in fact now causing a financial burden See articles posted The personal insults take nothing away from the facts I've posted on the topic They say more about the posters in question jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 15/10/2016 18:44:10 1926498 Link
Replying To HurlingWarrior: "It's quite clear Jimbo and friends have never outside the close confines of Croke Park for a game otherwise they'd realise we all don't have the luxury of a state of the art stadium right on our doorstep. Anyone who had been in the Old Stand of PUC knows what I am talking about, the only wonder is how it took so long to knock down and how anyone wasn't seriously hurt or injured (well to my knowledge no one was anyway)" For what it's worth I think the Gaelic Grounds is a very impressive venue, it brings me no joy to see it proving to be a "burden" for your CB. Their own words HurlingWarrior. That won't be helped with another large stadium in Munster What do you think? jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 15/10/2016 19:00:31 1926503 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "I've travelled all around Ireland supporting Dublin Personal attacks aside I see there's plenty on here directed at me for posting various stocked relating to this topic All I did was post your own CBs statement regarding the current financial problems that exist in Limerick linked to the Garlic grounds So save the BS. There is a lot of evidence to show that the scores of millions that have been pumped into these projects has been poorly invested and are in fact now causing a financial burden See articles posted The personal insults take nothing away from the facts I've posted on the topic They say more about the posters in question" Apologies for the odd spell check gaffs jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 15/10/2016 19:01:34 1926504 Link
Replying To pkboher: "So what's your solution! Leave it as a health and safety hazard. You're very quick to shoot it down but giving no solution to the current problem." How about spending less to fix it jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 15/10/2016 19:04:07 1926506 Link
Not content with mentioing it dozens of times in several threads, you've not decided to set up a thread about it. The only reason this thread was set up was to deflect from the financial doping one. buttybrennan (Cork) - Posts: 58 - 15/10/2016 19:04:35 1926507 Link
Replying To pkboher: "So what's your solution! Leave it as a health and safety hazard. You're very quick to shoot it down but giving no solution to the current problem." Its the typical 'I'm alright Jack' attitude prevailing again BlueGolconda (Dublin) - Posts: 39 - 15/10/2016 19:06:06 1926508 Link
"It's all well and good for them up in Dublin" Great argument lads Clap clap jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 15/10/2016 19:49:42 1926518 Link
Cork need this stadium. Theres the population to support it. If its used for other things like the rugby. The one problem is the amount of games..There needs to be at least 4 home league and 4 championship games to make it worthwhile bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 15/10/2016 22:01:56 1926548 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "How about spending less to fix it" How cheap do you think it is to rebuild a stadium, if your going to build it at all make sure it up there for a while rather than building it on the cheap and replacing it again 10 years later rebelfan (Cork) - Posts: 70 - 15/10/2016 22:07:07 1926551 Link