Ormond on 13th October i responded to your question as to how you make up the shortfall

Where do you make up the short fall if you reduce ticket prices significantly.
-reduced prices will increase gates and programme sales thus making up some of the shortfall
-seek extra sponsorship
-sell extra advertising hoardings
-increase advertising pages in match programmes
- sell naming rights to gaelic grounds and other stadia

reduced ticket prices mean more people going to games more kids going to matches who in turn will be the coaches players administrators fans of the future.

You could also get your county team to have a separate jersey sponsor on the back of their jersey or on their shorts

In the same post ormond i asked you a question
uestion for you - all of these cost me €10 this year - which games would you think had the least value for money
-limerick v clare nhl
- limerick v cork under 21
-limerick v tipp under 21 hurling
-limerick county hurling quarter final double header
- limerick hurling double header semi final and quarter final
- junior hurling quarter final

most people would think the latter - what do you think yourself
-you refused to answer despite ne asking it numerous times -all those games above were €5 for seniors

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 25/10/2016 15:31:08    1928898

if price is not an issue how come e.g. supermarkets and shops do sales and sell stuff at reduced prices
and dont give me this covering costs arguement - next time em and mrs j in shops doing groceries i will try get here to buy the dearer stuff and tell her it had a different cost base - -- we shall see what answer i get

Price is always a factor - lower prices = better crowds= more people likely to go to another game more likely to buy a jersey or play the games become a club member etc etc

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 25/10/2016 15:35:08    1928900

12 Euros or £10 stg into the Ulster Club hurling final, official attendance was 5,890 so with children would give an attendance of 7,000

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts:1361 - 25/10/2016 14:46:41

so ormond €12 for an ulster final , €10 for a junior hurling semi or €15 for limerick county final -
which was the better value for money then

Cuchulainn how much was it for seniors and students

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 25/10/2016 15:37:06    1928902

This Orm fella is brilliant. To him it is amazing that 99.9% of people on here are always wrong no matter what the topic.
Or maybe it's the 0.1%, ie him, that is wrong? Nah surely not.
mike03 (Limerick) - Posts:1684 - 25/10/2016 14:52:08I find it so strange that whenever you post in a thread im already posting in you come in insult me and call me names?
OK so close the thread, debate is over folks. Ormo has said the same thing over and over and over again without backing it up so clearly admission prices should not be lowered anywhere.
Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts:10576 - 25/10/2016 14:56:48What exactly do I have to back up and how come Janesboro isn't being asked to back up his points?
Ormond on 13th October i responded to your question as to how you make up the shortfall
Where do you make up the short fall if you reduce ticket prices significantly.
-reduced prices will increase gates and programme sales thus making up some of the shortfall
-seek extra sponsorship
-sell extra advertising hoardings
-increase advertising pages in match programmes
- sell naming rights to gaelic grounds and other stadia
reduced ticket prices mean more people going to games more kids going to matches who in turn will be the coaches players administrators fans of the future.
You could also get your county team to have a separate jersey sponsor on the back of their jersey or on their shorts
In the same post ormond i asked you a question
uestion for you - all of these cost me €10 this year - which games would you think had the least value for money
-limerick v clare nhl
- limerick v cork under 21
-limerick v tipp under 21 hurling
-limerick county hurling quarter final double header
- limerick hurling double header semi final and quarter final
- junior hurling quarter final
most people would think the latter - what do you think yourself
-yoU refused to answer despite ne asking it numerous times -all those games above were €5 for seniors
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:725 - 25/10/2016 15:31:08 Extra sponsorship? That wont happen. You don't reduce ticket prices to get a small percentage more people in. You cant just add in extra advertising hoardings off the huff you need to find sponsors, give them appropriate space
Increasing the size of match programmes costs money. To increase size of programmes even with more advertising means costs of making the programme goes up and if costs of production go up the cost prices will increase and that will turn people off from purchasing the programme in the end so how does that cover costs?
All games at different levels have completely different costs. A game in a large stadium like a NHL game will have significant stewarding and garda costs much more than any club game. You cant compare them.

Price is always a factor - lower prices = better crowds= more people likely to go to another game more likely to buy a jersey or play the games become a club member etc etc
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:725 - 25/10/2016 15:35:08Price is always a factor but lower prices cant always be introduced. You have to look at your market and how you advertise games. Reducing prices can only happen if you make the money elsewhere. A fiver reduction for a 26000 stadium is 130'000 if the place is full and you cant make that up in programme sales and all other costs on the day

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 25/10/2016 16:31:04    1928918

Extra sponsorship? That wont happen.
why not - galway have supermacs sponsoring the front and papa johns on the back - ulster rugby have bt sport and kingspan on their jerseys - so why cant it happen in gaa

Increasing the size of match programmes costs money.
the limerick county final programme had 50 pages , a 4 page increase pro rata would result in a 8% increase , the prgramme cost €3 so for say 1000 programmes that would be €300 extra - surely those four pages of advertising would net more than €300 -with no need to increase the price


All games at different levels have completely different costs. A game in a large stadium like a NHL game will have significant stewarding and garda costs much more than any club game. You cant compare them.

So your arguement would be that an NHL game would have more costs than a club junior game - hmm this arguement does not stack up given that limerick v clare nhl game cost €10 and ballybricken v kilmallock junior hurling cost €10

Again ormond i will ask you which game gave better value for money -this is about the fifth or sixth time i have asked you - anybody else is free to respond if they want ----

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 25/10/2016 18:03:08    1928951

maybe ormond you can give some suggestions as to how we can try to increase crowds at matches, include the ulster bank league as your at it , because as somebody who loves club gaa and rugby im open to any suggestion that might get extra people watching and participating

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 25/10/2016 18:04:58    1928952

Ormond: Extra sponsorship? That wont happen.
Janesboro: why not - galway have supermacs sponsoring the front and papa johns on the back - ulster rugby have bt sport and kingspan on their jerseys - so why cant it happen in gaaYou do realise that Papa Johns is linked significantly to Supermacs so its very much the same sponsorship just two badges of same sponsor. Theyre ran by same people in Ireland. Yes other sports teams often have extra sponsors but that doesn't mean GAA will or should

ormond: Increasing the size of match programmes costs money.
Janesboro: the limerick county final programme had 50 pages , a 4 page increase pro rata would result in a 8% increase , the prgramme cost €3 so for say 1000 programmes that would be €300 extra - surely those four pages of advertising would net more than €300 -with no need to increase the priceIf you have so many suggestions and think all these organisations should be running ticket prices much cheaper why not get involved and actually do something about it. You need to make a profit and keep reserves and ensure you have enough for potential hazards that can arise unnaturally.

Ormond: All games at different levels have completely different costs. A game in a large stadium like a NHL game will have significant stewarding and garda costs much more than any club game. You cant compare them.
janesboro: So your arguement would be that an NHL game would have more costs than a club junior game - hmm this arguement does not stack up given that limerick v clare nhl game cost €10 and ballybricken v kilmallock junior hurling cost €10But there will be way more people attending national league games so costs will be different. The income from local games goes straight into county and divisional boards accounts which is ploughed straight back into the game via games development, helping pay referees etc. Why is money going to any of these sources such a problem?

Again ormond i will ask you which game gave better value for money -this is about the fifth or sixth time i have asked you - anybody else is free to respond if they want ----
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:727 - 25/10/2016 18:03:08 It totally depends on the person and how invested you are in the games/teams/sports.

maybe ormond you can give some suggestions as to how we can try to increase crowds at matches, include the ulster bank league as your at it , because as somebody who loves club gaa and rugby im open to any suggestion that might get extra people watching and participating
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:727 - 25/10/2016 18:04:58Improve what spectators get for their ticket/admission fee. Improve the facilities inside the ground. Improve the services provided inside the ground for attendees.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 25/10/2016 20:17:07    1928996

See this portion from the ulster bank league thread
ormond: What exactly do you want the IRFU to do better in marketing the league

janesboro: advertise it - use tv ads, radio ad, billboards social media engage a marketing company , pay for clubs to give flyers/fixture lists to schools and local businesses theres plenty they can do , insist against the head shows more club rugby - pay for the cameras if they have too most 1a clubs records games anyway , help clubs improve the facilities (if irfu can afford it) e.g. not all grounds have covered terracing (dont prevent me going to games but might deter others)

Part of ormonds response -clubs don't need covered terracing for the most part when you have club houses with bars overlooking pitches in most cases or you can sit in your car and watch games from there. 

So you are saying improve the facilities for gaa - yet when i suggest doing the same for rugby - you say its not needed coz you can sit in your car or watch in clubhouse!!!!!

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 25/10/2016 21:36:48    1929014

See this portion from the ulster bank league thread
ormond: What exactly do you want the IRFU to do better in marketing the league

janesboro: advertise it - use tv ads, radio ad, billboards social media engage a marketing company , pay for clubs to give flyers/fixture lists to schools and local businesses theres plenty they can do , insist against the head shows more club rugby - pay for the cameras if they have too most 1a clubs records games anyway , help clubs improve the facilities (if irfu can afford it) e.g. not all grounds have covered terracing (dont prevent me going to games but might deter others)

Part of ormonds response -clubs don't need covered terracing for the most part when you have club houses with bars overlooking pitches in most cases or you can sit in your car and watch games from there.

So you are saying improve the facilities for gaa - yet when i suggest doing the same for rugby - you say its not needed coz you can sit in your car or watch in clubhouse!!!!!

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:729 - 25/10/2016 21:36:48 They are very different for various reasons. Support in GAA is very different to support in rugby because of the way clubs are constituted and set up and ran. You cant directly compare them as they are not the same.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 25/10/2016 21:48:06    1929019

So you are saying improve the facilities for gaa - yet when i suggest doing the same for rugby - you say its not needed coz you can sit in your car or watch in clubhouse!!!!!

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:729 - 25/10/2016 21:36:48 They are very different for various reasons. Support in GAA is very different to support in rugby because of the way clubs are constituted and set up and ran. You cant directly compare them as they are not the same.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts:12066 - 25/10/2016 21:48:06

that does not explain how you can think that improving facilities will improve gaa crowds , but not do so for rugby

of course gaa and rugby clubs can be compared - they are both sports clubs

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 25/10/2016 22:24:08    1929021

I did not go to the Wexford hurling final recently as I was not paying 20 euro in. So what the county board don't understand is higher prices = fewer people = smaller gate overall.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 26/10/2016 13:25:22    1929149

Heading to Nowlan Park on Sunday,junior hurling and senior hurling final,15 euros and under 16 free and and KK senior passes free,

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 534 - 27/10/2016 17:42:56    1929609

that does not explain how you can think that improving facilities will improve gaa crowds , but not do so for rugby
of course gaa and rugby clubs can be compared - they are both sports clubs
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:739 - 25/10/2016 22:24:08they cant be directly compared as they are extremely different in all kinds of things. Just because both are sports clubs doesnt mean they have same make up etc

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/10/2016 22:56:03    1929705