Ormondbannerman
Junior rugby it will depend on the club and most do charge.
most junior rugby games dont charge - or maybe they just let me in for free -
10 euro for an adult junior game is fine depending on what stage championship you are at.
no its not its junior hurling for petes sake - in the same way as per my previous post below its not right to charge 5 and 6 years €5 each to watch junior schools rugby or charge €35 for an adult and two kids to watch a munster v connacht FRIENDLY in the TERRACE , you did disagree with my views on this
http://www.hoganstand.com/Forum/MessagePage.aspx?PageNumber=1&TopicID=94327
anybody else i asked in regard to prices on these games agree with me
You do realise that all this money is used to help develop the game.
you do realise that people are price sensitive and in recessionary times will not pay exhorbitant prices for anything
Question for you - all of these cost me €10 this year - which games would you think had the least value for money
-limerick v clare nhl
- limerick v cork under 21
-limerick v tipp under 21 hurling
-limerick county hurling quarter final double header
- limerick hurling double header semi final and quarter final
- junior hurling quarter final
most people would think the latter - what do you think yourself
Where do you make up the short fall if you reduce ticket prices significantly.
-reduced prices will increase gates and programme sales thus making up some of the shortfall
-seek extra sponsorship
-sell extra advertising hoardings
-increase advertising pages in match programmes
- sell naming rights to gaelic grounds and other stadia
reduced ticket prices mean more people going to games more kids going to matches who in turn will be the coaches players administrators fans of the future.
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:697 - 13/10/2016 09:53:05Janesboro have you ever seen the accounts of a club and tried to work them? As my parents have and your suggestions would be no help at all as the shortfall would not increase gates so much so that the shortfall be made up. In no way would cheaper tickets see more programmes be sold. Junior leagues like the munster junior league games are most certainly not free. J1 rugby is not free. It certainly is ok for schools games to charge entry in for competitive games. How else do you fund the competitions and what organisation doesn't charge in to competitive schools games. Rugby, GAA all do.
Professional rugby has a lot of costs. You have stewards in thomond park who are paid. You have all costs of running a stadium. You have very different running costs to games

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 14/10/2016 11:46:47    1926162

Janesboro have you ever seen the accounts of a club and tried to work them?
yes i have - i am a gaa club treasurer and an accountant

your suggestions would be no help at all as the shortfall would not increase gates so much so that the shortfall be made up.
--ok so your saying that e.g selling naming rights or selling adwill not increase revenue to offset shortfall in gates ...interesting
-if more people go to games the chances are more programmes will be sold

J1 rugby is not free.
munster 2nds league games are - i didnt pay for munster junior cup semi final last year

It certainly is ok for schools games to charge entry in for competitive games. How else do you fund the competitions and what organisation doesn't charge in to competitive schools games.
-not ok to charge 5 and 6 years old - let 16 and under in free you can fund competitions through sponsorships and advertising

Professional rugby has a lot of costs. You have stewards in thomond park who are paid. You have all costs of running a stadium. You have very different running costs to games
yes but they are competing for the same consumers as the gaa and soccer are


Again i will as you -
which games would you think had the least value for money -they all cost €10
-limerick v clare nhl
- limerick v cork under 21
-limerick v tipp under 21 hurling
-limerick county hurling quarter final double header
- limerick hurling double header semi final and quarter final
- junior hurling quarter final
most people would think the latter - what do you think yourself

I just happen to think chargin €8 and €10 for junior hurling is disgraceful -

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 14/10/2016 12:29:02    1926197

question for you ormond if a game costs €5 vis a vis €10 - are you more or less likely to go , i would say more likely to go if cheaper

attendances at club games in limerick have not been good this season -and i have been at a lot of games - we need to boost attendances and reducing prices will help

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 14/10/2016 12:58:54    1926213

Ormond: Janesboro have you ever seen the accounts of a club and tried to work them?
Janesboro: yes i have - i am a gaa club treasurer and an accountantwell I'm very surpised at that as just reducing prices is unfeasible. I can easily imagine the response I would get if I recommended to do reduce prices at my club in either GAA or rugby. Id be laughed away for such a crazy decision.

Ormond: your suggestions would be no help at all as the shortfall would not increase gates so much so that the shortfall be made up.
janesboro: --ok so your saying that e.g selling naming rights or selling adwill not increase revenue to offset shortfall in gates ...interesting
-if more people go to games the chances are more programmes will be soldDo you have any proof that naming rights would work? Where is the demand for naming rights. And the return on match programmes is minimal so no change with them.
Ormond: J1 rugby is not free.
janesboro: munster 2nds league games are - i didnt pay for munster junior cup semi final last yearI was referring to j1 not senior seconds j1 which is very different.

It certainly is ok for schools games to charge entry in for competitive games. How else do you fund the competitions and what organisation doesn't charge in to competitive schools games.
-not ok to charge 5 and 6 years old - let 16 and under in free you can fund competitions through sponsorships and advertising What age should you start charging then. Letting 16 and under in for free for schools games is terrible. Competitive schools games need a charge as the money is reinvested into the sport. You again wont make up the difference with sponsorship and advertising. Schools cup games get several thousand in attendance so removing admission fees would be a big loss and wouldn't be made up in sponsorship

Professional rugby has a lot of costs. You have stewards in thomond park who are paid. You have all costs of running a stadium. You have very different running costs to games
yes but they are competing for the same consumers as the gaa and soccer areBut that doesn't mean you have to pay the same. It would be fantastic if prices were much cheaper but its unrealistic to have the prices you want them to.
They are competing for some of the same consumers but that doesn't mean prices need to be the same.


Again i will as you -
which games would you think had the least value for money -they all cost €10
-limerick v clare nhl
- limerick v cork under 21
-limerick v tipp under 21 hurling
-limerick county hurling quarter final double header
- limerick hurling double header semi final and quarter final
- junior hurling quarter final
most people would think the latter - what do you think yourself
I just happen to think chargin €8 and €10 for junior hurling is disgraceful -
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:699 - 14/10/2016 12:29:02Every game has its costs. County GAA games can cost cheaper as they can get enough people to attend so costs can be lower. With your logic if county nhl games are a tenner to go then club junior games should only be €2 but that just stupid

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question for you ormond if a game costs €5 vis a vis €10 - are you more or less likely to go , i would say more likely to go if cheaper

attendances at club games in limerick have not been good this season -and i have been at a lot of games - we need to boost attendances and reducing prices will help
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:699 - 14/10/2016 12:58:54

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 14/10/2016 16:06:10    1926294

My friends always complain about GAA ticket prices, like i'd say to them is that its only 20 euro, a lot of people have no problem spending that on a 4 or 5 pints, so i can't see any reason why anyone can't spend it on a match ticket

rebelfan (Cork) - Posts: 70 - 14/10/2016 16:25:20    1926306

Janesboro: yes i have - i am a gaa club treasurer and an accountantwell I'm very surpised at that -why?

as just reducing prices is unfeasible. I can easily imagine the response I would get if I recommended to do reduce prices at my club in either GAA or rugby. Id be laughed away for such a crazy decision. -

In young munster we reduced price from 10 to 5 for lansdowne games last year for an adult who bourght kid with jersey - got biggest crowd of season and had lot more kids at game than any others.


Do you have any proof that naming rights would work?
Where is the demand for naming rights. -eh aviva stadium, kingspan ravenhill, irish independent park, elvery mchale park, glennon brothers pearse park, netwatch dr cullen park , kingspan breiffne park, teg cusack park ,dubarry park

j1 not senior seconds j1 which is very different. --Same level both play junior cup

What age should you start charging then. Letting 16 and under in for free for schools games is terrible. Fair point id limit the freebies to 12 and under or primary school, theres even tv money for some schools comps not

Again i will ask you which of the aforementioned games gave the leaset value for money

With your logic if county nhl games are a tenner to go then club junior games should only be €2 but that just stupid - read my posts - €5 for club junor hurling all levels in enough (in limerick its 5 for junior champiionship at divisional stages but increase after that), also there is far less cost for junior club games -they should leave all junior games at €5 - €8 for senior hurling great value - not for junior

Again i ask you if a game is cheaper are you more or less likely to go , i would say more likely to go if cheaper

attendances at club games in limerick have not been good this season -and i have been at a lot of games - we need to boost attendances and reducing prices will help

rebelfan (Cork) - Posts:15
while i myself would rather pay €20 to go to a game than drink pints (and i aint teetotal either) , but then some would argue the few pints lasts a few hours where as the game probably dont last as long - €20 for a club game is too high thankfully seems to be more the exception rather than the norm

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 14/10/2016 18:33:42    1926327

while i do understand bills have to be paid for - my concern when games are overcharged is the effect on attendances - people are price sensitive these days and want value for money.
€10 for a limerick under 21 or minor game, a county senior hurling quarter final double header is great value
€40 for me an two kids for musnter final and €60 for me dad and boys is terriffic value --- €8 for junior hurling is not -

we need to ensure as far as possible crowds are maximised - price being a part of it

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 14/10/2016 18:51:09    1926333

question for you ormond if a game costs €5 vis a vis €10 - are you more or less likely to go , i would say more likely to go if cheaper
attendances at club games in limerick have not been good this season -and i have been at a lot of games - we need to boost attendances and reducing prices will help
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:703 - 14/10/2016 12:58:54It isn't that simple. Reducing ticket prices isn't he way to get people in. It can help sometimes but there is so much else at play. How teams are playing etc etc
Boosting attendances wont be solved simply by reducing prices. If people are not willing to spend a tenner on a game. Changing it to a fiver wont make them more likely to go.


janesboro: eh aviva stadium, kingspan ravenhill, irish independent park, elvery mchale park, glennon brothers pearse park, netwatch dr cullen park , kingspan breiffne park, teg cusack park ,dubarry park
ormond: j1 not senior seconds j1 which is very different. --
janesboro: Same level both play junior cupThat both play the munster junior cup doesn't mean they are the same level. The regs for playing for each are completely different.

read my posts - €5 for club junor hurling all levels in enough (in limerick its 5 for junior champiionship at divisional stages but increase after that), also there is far less cost for junior club games -they should leave all junior games at €5 - €8 for senior hurling great value - not for junior
Again i ask you if a game is cheaper are you more or less likely to go , i would say more likely to go if cheaper
attendances at club games in limerick have not been good this season -and i have been at a lot of games - we need to boost attendances and reducing prices will help
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:703 - 14/10/2016 18:29:49€5 isn't enough. Why should it be enough. Prices being cheaper would be great but you have significant costs to running games and everything around the stadiums etc. Prices cant be as cheap as possible. You need a proper return,


while i do understand bills have to be paid for - my concern when games are overcharged is the effect on attendances - people are price sensitive these days and want value for money.
€10 for a limerick under 21 or minor game, a county senior hurling quarter final double header is great value
€40 for me an two kids for musnter final and €60 for me dad and boys is terriffic value --- €8 for junior hurling is not -
we need to ensure as far as possible crowds are maximised - price being a part of it
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:703 - 14/10/2016 18:51:09Getting highest crowds possible is the aim but simply reducing ticket prices significantly isn't the answer. You have to change why people want to go to games.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 15/10/2016 14:00:07    1926449

Ormond - Boosting attendances wont be solved simply by reducing prices. If people are not willing to spend a tenner on a game. Changing it to a fiver wont make them more likely to go. i think i would make them more likely to go

€5 isn't enough. Why should it be enough.
because this is JUNIOR HURLING the fourth tier of limerick hurling -if you think €10 is reasonable for 4th tier hurling, i shudder to think what what you would charge for senior hurling -

You have to change why people want to go to games.
and what would you suggest to increase attendances in the limerick championship- price of course is always a factor

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 16/10/2016 00:18:02    1926562

today i was at two games - rugby munster SENIOR cup rugby- munsters v shannon (great win for us) --€5
and County junior hurling semi final REPLAY st patricks v caherline (neutral on this one) - €10 - and this is for a replay and often in replay prices are reduced --- so €5 for senior rugby (usually €10 for league game) and €10 for junior hurling.

€10 for junior hurling is too dear. €5 is enough,and dont give me this different cost base tripe. When people do their shopping and buy say a food product e.g. branded cereal v shopping centre own brand - the choice is most usually down to price they dont say "ah well it cost more to make the dearer stuff etc. Price is quite often king

mind you it was an interesting game as you will see from the report below, thankfully me an kids were on opposite side of field to where the altercation between opposing supporters took place- -be interesting to see what comes out of this -

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/219950/limerick-hurling-semi-final-abandoned.html

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 16/10/2016 00:31:58    1926563

was at u16 div 2 championship final replay in brefni park yesterday evening.
The intermediate final replay was on afterwards and the cavan county board used
it as a reason to charge 15 euros to parents and suppourters who were just going
to see the u16 match and are doing the same thing today an underage final is on before the senior
final and the charge to go into the seated stand is 20 euro.The cavan county board imo should
be ASHAMED of itself. 20EURO TO SEE AN UNDERAGE FINAL ABSOLOUTLEY REDICOULOUS

brefnisam (Cavan) - Posts: 21 - 16/10/2016 10:15:29    1926576

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 16/10/2016 10:53:23    1926583

Carlow last Sunday was €15 for a Senior Football Final and Senior Hurling Semi-Final double-header. That's about right.

€20 to go to a club match is wrong, it's unreasonable and is bleeding dry the grassroots.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2553 - 16/10/2016 12:00:34    1926596

today i was at two games - rugby munster SENIOR cup rugby- munsters v shannon (great win for us) --€5
and County junior hurling semi final REPLAY st patricks v caherline (neutral on this one) - €10 - and this is for a replay and often in replay prices are reduced --- so €5 for senior rugby (usually €10 for league game) and €10 for junior hurling.
€10 for junior hurling is too dear. €5 is enough,and dont give me this different cost base tripe. When people do their shopping and buy say a food product e.g. branded cereal v shopping centre own brand - the choice is most usually down to price they dont say "ah well it cost more to make the dearer stuff etc. Price is quite often king
mind you it was an interesting game as you will see from the report below, thankfully me an kids were on opposite side of field to where the altercation between opposing supporters took place- -be interesting to see what comes out of this -
http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/219950/limerick-hurling-semi-final-abandoned.html
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:706 - 16/10/2016 00:31:58Janesboro you attend lots of games across multiple sports so complaining consistently about ticket prices is a bit much, If you have such issues about prices don't go to so many games. Pick and choose what to attend.
Clubs need the funding of entry to help fund the clubs. €10 is excellent value for a top class club game especially if its division 1A and you are looking at games at the top level of the sport in an amateur sense.
€10 isn't too much for junior games.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/10/2016 18:45:52    1926684

today i was at two games - rugby munster SENIOR cup rugby- munsters v shannon (great win for us) --€5
and County junior hurling semi final REPLAY st patricks v caherline (neutral on this one) - €10 - and this is for a replay and often in replay prices are reduced --- so €5 for senior rugby (usually €10 for league game) and €10 for junior hurling.
€10 for junior hurling is too dear. €5 is enough,and dont give me this different cost base tripe. When people do their shopping and buy say a food product e.g. branded cereal v shopping centre own brand - the choice is most usually down to price they dont say "ah well it cost more to make the dearer stuff etc. Price is quite often king
mind you it was an interesting game as you will see from the report below, thankfully me an kids were on opposite side of field to where the altercation between opposing supporters took place- -be interesting to see what comes out of this -
http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/219950/limerick-hurling-semi-final-abandoned.html
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:706 - 16/10/2016 00:31:58Janesboro you attend lots of games across multiple sports so complaining consistently about ticket prices is a bit much, If you have such issues about prices don't go to so many games. Pick and choose what to attend.
Clubs need the funding of entry to help fund the clubs. €10 is excellent value for a top class club game especially if its division 1A and you are looking at games at the top level of the sport in an amateur sense.
€10 isn't too much for junior games.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/10/2016 18:46:30    1926685

yes ormond €10 is too much for junior games

yesterday after the musnter game we went to see st pats v caherline junior county semi - it was 2nd replay -first game draw second game replay was abandoned €10 - the 2nd replay was €8 for Junior hurling - for a 2nd replay - i mean the all ireland hurling replay had a 3/8 discount a fiver is enough, two fine games

today at county final they were charging €15 for adults (steep but ok ill pay it ..for cian lynchs display worth it ) kids free excellent , but €10 for seniors and students -i mean come on give them a break , super attendance though 4900 official with kids i say around 6k

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 23/10/2016 23:52:34    1928526

but look lads i enjoyed all three games, and also the midweek hurling,soccer and rugby with kids, gave us a reason to feel a bit cheery again after last week which put all sport into perspective so it did

janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 24/10/2016 00:01:01    1928531

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 24/10/2016 10:42:32    1928579

yes ormond €10 is too much for junior games
yesterday after the musnter game we went to see st pats v caherline junior county semi - it was 2nd replay -first game draw second game replay was abandoned €10 - the 2nd replay was €8 for Junior hurling - for a 2nd replay - i mean the all ireland hurling replay had a 3/8 discount a fiver is enough, two fine games
today at county final they were charging €15 for adults (steep but ok ill pay it ..for cian lynchs display worth it ) kids free excellent , but €10 for seniors and students -i mean come on give them a break , super attendance though 4900 official with kids i say around 6k
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts:715 - 23/10/2016 23:52:34 €15 for a county final. Most prestigious game in a county is not too steep. Neither is €10 for students or adults. That's two pints/three pints in a pub and you get an hours plus top quality sport.
Once again if you complain so much about ticket prices then why do you attend so many games and pay the prices if you dislike the prices charged so much?

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 24/10/2016 11:30:09    1928593