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AI QF lineup - omahant (USA) - Posts: 2592 - 05/12/2016 03:21:43 1938333 Link 0 |
"There is no appetite for changing the football league". That statement is just patently wrong. Prominent figures Jim McGuinness and Sean Kelly wanted league feeding into championship. https://www.google.ie/amp/amp.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/it-will-take-a-lot-more-agitation-before-gaa-championship-reform-becomes-reality-400533.html?client=safari Article written by recent ex-Cork footballer Derek Kavanagh. http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/colm-parkinson-comes-up-with-new-format-that-could-rescue-gaelic-football-and-aid-clubs-31290844.html Recent ex-Laois footballer Colm Parkinson's take. There have been other similar comments from players and managers that I've read on this site, it's a little trickier finding them with a quick google search. Players simply want more games. I think real fans also want more games. I think also with average championship attendances dwindling the GAA has less of a pull on the casual fan. I think they need to provide more games, there'll be smaller average attendances but much more overall. League based systems are really efficient at getting teams guaranteed games in a short period of time. That's why they are used for domestic competitions across sports, the world over. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 05/12/2016 03:51:43 1938335 Link 0 |
Over a span of say 30 years, there has been quite a bit of 'chopping and changing' in league formats across both codes. More recently, say last 10 years, the dust doesn't seem to settle on any NHL blueprint, although the NFL 4x8 seems to be sticking. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2592 - 05/12/2016 18:47:10 1938476 Link 0 |
Yeah, some of the league based plans I think break too hard with tradition. The provincials have to be played in the summer and be part of the AI series. I think with my 2-tier league division 1 is the best league division possible. The most number of teams involved whilst playing a season that can fit in March to August. The 2 sections to division 2 feeding into a 12 team higher division works better than an 8 team higher division. You can only relegate 2 teams from an 8 team division. You could get a promotion bottle neck where it's v hard to get out of division 3. In my system as many as 4 teams can go up. I really think a flat system is so important for a game like GAA where county football is the representative level. Division 2 needs to be finished before provincials start so that teams out of the promotion running have something to play for still. Players aren't professional, they won't want to hang around for dead rubber games. It's ok to have the last 2 rounds in division 1 played alongside provincials as there's relegation to fight against. Division 1 or 2 teams who've reached the playoffs but got knocked out early in their provincial championship aren't sitting around idle until the quarterfinals. The AI knockout stage starting at the quarterfinals is a natural place to start. League and championship are both important for seeding the playoff rounds means even a team already qualified still needs to take both competitions seriously. Only the top 3 in the league are guaranteed a quarterfinal spot. 4-7 have decreasing chances of qualifying, so practically every position counts. The division 2 champion is a worthy quarterfinalists. They've likely picked up 14+ points from their 9 league games and have won 2 a semifinal and Croke Park final. Most teams could have realistic aspirations of getting top 4 in their section and with it be 3 wins from a place in division 1. The weakest teams get games against better quality opposition without being subjected to a mismatch versus the very best teams. Division 2 teams that likely have less funding have a less costly league program with shorter distances to games. Less of a time commitment for players to play these games (good for their fans also). Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 06/12/2016 19:44:57 1938732 Link 0 |
Champions League drove home my distaste for tournament round robin today - FC Copenhagen 2-0 win to secure 2nd place in their group was all in vein - given already qualified and unbeaten Leicester's 5-0 hammering by opponents who had nothing but pride to play for - this type of mischief is far more damaging for me - than meaningless, but not destructive, dead rubbers. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2592 - 08/12/2016 04:29:51 1938970 Link 0 |
...that should read....hammering by an opponent, Porto who got the win they needed, under soft circumstances.....an advantage only gained by being the last to play the group winner.... omahant (USA) - Posts: 2592 - 08/12/2016 04:42:47 1938971 Link 0 |
It's way less of a factor in a 10 or 12 team league
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 09/12/2016 02:52:02 1939168 Link 0 |
That's why I was careful to say 'tournament' round robins - I like the idea of season long league leading to post season playoffs - as you have put forth. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2592 - 09/12/2016 14:39:09 1939251 Link 0 |
I do prefer this idea. You also don't need 2-legged provincial semifinals to get every team to 3 games. I agree the Champions round would be excellent. You would also have a system where a losing provincial champion is drawn in the opposite half to the team that beat them in the semifinals. What is better about this system than the proposed GAA system is that extra games are being played by the weaker counties rather than the stronger counties. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 10/12/2016 03:10:31 1939343 Link 0 |
A system that could work would be Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 10/12/2016 03:35:57 1939344 Link 0 |
The GAA's suggested group stage is the way forward. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating. When it's implemented, there will be clamour to include more counties and for hurling to adopt something similar. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7846 - 10/12/2016 18:48:57 1939413 Link 0 |
The chance of drawn games is less likely in GAA compared to soccer. Accordingly, 4-team round robins in the former have less possible outcomes with greater chance of 'dead rubbers'. Most groups would produce no draws, with groups decided on games won - 3,2,1,0 OR 2,2,2,0 OR 3,1,1,1. We would have to hope for the latter two outcomes and have a tie breaker to decide who loses out. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2592 - 11/12/2016 15:34:41 1939538 Link 0 |
I would like to see 2 groups of 5 in the AI SHC, with the groups 'formed' (NOT drawn) from the unfolding of Prov pairings, as follows - Play existing structure to Muns Last 5 and Lein Last 5. Then, put Muns QF loser in Group A, winner in B and QF winner's opponent in A. Split the other Muns SF between the groups, so Muns Finalists are in opposite groups. Allocate Lein 5 in a similar fashion - with Lein QF loser in B to ensure two 5-team groups. All teams in each group complete a 5-match schedule against all teams in the other group. The AI SFs are: 1st in A v (winner of 2nd v 3rd in A); and 1st in B v (winner 2nd or 3rd in B). omahant (USA) - Posts: 2592 - 11/12/2016 22:32:35 1939613 Link 0 |
....do something similar for the AI SFC.... omahant (USA) - Posts: 2592 - 11/12/2016 23:01:30 1939617 Link 0 |
.....Or, for greater 'inter conference' matchups - in the A side of the KO draw - omahant (USA) - Posts: 2592 - 12/12/2016 03:15:47 1939626 Link 0 |
The most important thing is that everybody enjoys winter and uses it to reflect on 2017.
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 12/12/2016 13:17:35 1939688 Link 0 |
The national league shouldn't start until March. That'd be a big improvement to the season. Give teams a proper winter break
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 12/12/2016 20:00:07 1939748 Link 0 |
Winter well so ;)
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 12/12/2016 23:54:56 1939799 Link 0 |
The Indy yesterday stated that Laois has a proposed 4x4 group stage for the 1st Rd Qualifiers - giving these teams a min of 4 games. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2592 - 16/12/2016 21:04:34 1940611 Link 0 |
If we link each Prov SF loser to a current pairing in the 1sr Rd Qualifiers to form 8 groups of 3, it would be best that the SF losers play the 1st match winner next - otherwise, they could beat the 1st match loser and make the 3rd group match a dead rubber. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2592 - 26/12/2016 17:37:20 1942090 Link 0 |