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Replying To Laois76: "Still feel there's a year or 2 of a window for Mayo to win an all-ireland. A couple of years til Kerry reach their peak and Dublin to slip a little, from mileage basically. I know Mayo have mileage too which hunger should override.
Plenty of other factors too like the progress of Tyrone to name just one." Mayo in recent years are the one team who can really put it up to Dublin. Kerry in recent years are talked up but in truth are a good bit behind Dublin (Cluxtons meltdown made the scoreboard look much better for them than it should). I still are far from convinced about Tyrone. If Dublin freshen up their team a bit I think they will do the treble, if they try to stick by the players who have done it in the past they will be caught out.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1359 - 10/10/2016 07:22:03
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Replying To Spoddgy: " Replying To charlie1980: "Mayo dont have the nous,they are not street wise enough to win an all ireland.It's always the blame game with Mayo.Brolly has them sussed,they are
celebrity losers!" Brolly will turn around and say we are a great bunch of lads the next minute! I can see some of his point but he has a habit of saying things for the sake of it and to attract controversy but I would be angered by the language he uses. I feel he has been very personal in his critism towards the Mayo players. Sure there's plenty of Mayo supporters that always go to the blame game but there's many of us that deal with realism, mistakes were made fair enough and we haven't enough good forwards in games like that against Dublin and then there is the fact that Dublin are the best team in a generation but we are always close to them."
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 10/10/2016 09:07:06
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Replying To Spoddgy: "Speaking of George oconnor I read in Denis Walsh's hurling the revolution years that he had to physically prise his hands on to the hurley before matches because of the on set of arthritis!" Janey. I knew he broke each finger more than once, some of them several times. Great pic on the front of Tom Williams book 'With Heart and Hand' showed them all knobbled up.
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 10/10/2016 09:11:53
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Replying To charlie1980: "Okay Laois76?
This thread is about the Mayo county team,not my achievements.
Two examples of Dublin's nous/streetwise call it what you want.
Connolly does Keegan up like a kipper and gets him a black card.Keegan knew going into that game that he had to play it smart but no.
Vaughan tries to throw his weight around and achieves nothing with his antics and then James mccarthy takes care of him.
Mayo need to wise up." Connolly does the referee up like a kipper. Along with all the hot air in the media the week before the replay. McCarthy assaulted Vaughan in front of the linesman. Nothing is done. In fairness you're the first person on here to say that Mayo need to wise up. According to alot on here Mayo are the most cynical dirty diving team going. Everyone has a different view on things I suppose. That's why we love sport.
Weary (None) - Posts: 249 - 10/10/2016 10:33:31
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Replying To charlie1980: "Okay Laois76?
This thread is about the Mayo county team,not my achievements.
Two examples of Dublin's nous/streetwise call it what you want.
Connolly does Keegan up like a kipper and gets him a black card.Keegan knew going into that game that he had to play it smart but no.
Vaughan tries to throw his weight around and achieves nothing with his antics and then James mccarthy takes care of him.
Mayo need to wise up." What stupid post. Keegan black card was a poor call so not sure what you think he got caught doing? And Vaughan got done by a nasty challenge that went unpunished, nothing to do with Dublin being smarter than us.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 10/10/2016 11:46:09
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TheFlaker - I think the sooner Mayo wise up to the fact that the type of "off the ball carry on" that Lee Keegan goes on with will not
win Mayo an All-Ireland. Lee Keegan is a brilliant footballer but I have little time for his "off the ball carry on". You may say that Diarmuid Connolly does the same or that Lee Keegan put Diarmuid Connolly in his pocket to make you feel good but the reality is that Diarmuid Connolly has 4 All-Ireland medals and 2 All-Ireland club medals and Lee Keegan has none. That is how they will be remembered. It is best that Lee Keegan takes the hurt now and rectifies the situation. As long as he continues with his old ways he will continue to run the risk of a black or red card and that would end the hopes of Mayo winning. Mayo are a top team and Gaelic Football lovers want them to win an All-Ireland.
fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 10/10/2016 13:20:02
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I think next year is a great opportunity for Mayo again. Their defence is one of the best out there, very well organised and have some real talent in there, arguably in Lee Keegan they have the best player in the country. People shouldn't forget that this was Rochfords first year in charge, he has plenty to work with. Jim McGuinness called it well that they simply need to work on their forward game plan and avoid these tactics we saw the last day of throwing Barry Moran into the full forward and lob it into him.
I know you don't just create great forwards overnight but in the two O'Connors they have exceptional talent. They can get more out of Regan and Doherty. AOS is the big dilemma, where do you play him, how do you integrate him into the game plan. Aidan's greatest strength is his physicality and ability to win high ball. He's not in the Donaghy mould of full forward but for me I think he can do a job as 3rd midfielder / number 11 role. He needs to get his temperament in check as he does a lot of headless chicken stuff on the ball at times. But again, this is all stuff that can be worked on. Mayo's greatest strength was the running off the shoulder from the likes of Vaughan, Keegan, Boyle and Higgins. I trust in Rochford to be able to get something going in this department and not lose any of their defensive strength. Dublin showed how to get this type of game working, no reason why Mayo can't do the same.
I said before that the semi final next year against Kerry, should Mayo get there, is a great opportunity. A win over Kerry will give them a massive psychological lift. I do think Rochford needs to use the league better next season, go out to win it, get the lads picking up silverware early. Dublin are there for the taking next year. As good as they are I don't see them doing the 3 in a row.
keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 10/10/2016 14:10:09
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Replying To keithlemon: "I think next year is a great opportunity for Mayo again. Their defence is one of the best out there, very well organised and have some real talent in there, arguably in Lee Keegan they have the best player in the country. People shouldn't forget that this was Rochfords first year in charge, he has plenty to work with. Jim McGuinness called it well that they simply need to work on their forward game plan and avoid these tactics we saw the last day of throwing Barry Moran into the full forward and lob it into him.
I know you don't just create great forwards overnight but in the two O'Connors they have exceptional talent. They can get more out of Regan and Doherty. AOS is the big dilemma, where do you play him, how do you integrate him into the game plan. Aidan's greatest strength is his physicality and ability to win high ball. He's not in the Donaghy mould of full forward but for me I think he can do a job as 3rd midfielder / number 11 role. He needs to get his temperament in check as he does a lot of headless chicken stuff on the ball at times. But again, this is all stuff that can be worked on. Mayo's greatest strength was the running off the shoulder from the likes of Vaughan, Keegan, Boyle and Higgins. I trust in Rochford to be able to get something going in this department and not lose any of their defensive strength. Dublin showed how to get this type of game working, no reason why Mayo can't do the same.
I said before that the semi final next year against Kerry, should Mayo get there, is a great opportunity. A win over Kerry will give them a massive psychological lift. I do think Rochford needs to use the league better next season, go out to win it, get the lads picking up silverware early. Dublin are there for the taking next year. As good as they are I don't see them doing the 3 in a row." Some good points. I would question though why Regan wasn't a starter this year. To me he is a real forward.
Mayo were unlucky with DOC this year as he didn't get going at all. I hope that's just a matter of getting back into it as he is very young to have career hampering injuries.
Mayo need to figure out how to get COC and AOS more involved. Might be harsh but COC is a passenger from play most of the time and his point in the semi shows he can be much more than a glorified free taker. AOS needs to move back to midfield. He is a poor forward against good teams. Think of all the "good" teams he has came up against and I can only think of 1 game where he was effective (Donegal 2015 and even then he wasn't that impressive). He is a powerful midfielder and should be played as that. If he tires out just replace him with Moran or his brother or whoever has to go onto the bench to fit him into midfield.
Mayo need to train up a real sweeper. I actually don't feel that McLoughlin is good in that role.
Are any more of the u21s ready to step up to the mark and challenge for positions?
dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 10/10/2016 14:45:50
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Replying To fainleog: "TheFlaker - I think the sooner Mayo wise up to the fact that the type of "off the ball carry on" that Lee Keegan goes on with will not
win Mayo an All-Ireland. Lee Keegan is a brilliant footballer but I have little time for his "off the ball carry on". You may say that Diarmuid Connolly does the same or that Lee Keegan put Diarmuid Connolly in his pocket to make you feel good but the reality is that Diarmuid Connolly has 4 All-Ireland medals and 2 All-Ireland club medals and Lee Keegan has none. That is how they will be remembered. It is best that Lee Keegan takes the hurt now and rectifies the situation. As long as he continues with his old ways he will continue to run the risk of a black or red card and that would end the hopes of Mayo winning. Mayo are a top team and Gaelic Football lovers want them to win an All-Ireland." The Keegan Connolly contests have been irrelevant in who won Mayo/Dublin championship matches recently. They've cancelled each other out by and large.
The fact that Connolly has 4 all-ireland and 2 senior club medals is due to the fact that he has better forwards playing with him. If you want to break it down individually Keegan has 3 all stars to Connolly's 1. Also Keegan is one of 3 players nominated for player of the year, Connolly isn't one of the 3. Keegan must be doing something right.
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 10/10/2016 14:57:57
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Infact Keegan is one area of the Mayo team that is working perfectly and nothing should be tampered with. He takes a star forward out of a game, it's almost guranteed.
We can all eulogise about beautiful pure football, but the game isn't or has never been like that. As a forward in the 90s i was pulled and dragged and mauled. You fire elbows back snap back. Most of the defenders will lessen the grip after a few good belts. The real tenacious teak tough ones will continue to grab your jersey and walk on your ankles. It's a game..if you can get in the ref's ear well and good. More often than not the defender will be able to continue hassling you. You have to keep the head as best you can, break free as often as possible and stay calm and use what ball you get as best you can. Mayo have far more pressing problems, highlighted throughout this forum to be concerning themselves with than Lee Keegan.
Complete rubbish saying Mayo will never win an all-ireland with Keegan in a player's face. If that was the case Mick Lyons, Niall Cahalane, Philly McMahon etc etc wouldn't have won all-irelands.
Sport is only sport by name. In most other aspects it's the antithesis of sportsmanship. Sport reminds me of Dominic Behan's description of the Christian Brothers, he said they were neither brotherly nor Christian!
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 10/10/2016 15:16:09
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Am sick and tired of hearing every Tom, Dick & Harry talking about how Mayo can do it next year and how they deserve it.
Enough, if I was from Mayo I would be cringing .
Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 10/10/2016 15:20:14
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "Maybe. Yes there is a lot of depth in the Dublin squad and a lot of promising young players. There's a big difference between starting and coming off the bench though. Take Costello for example. He looked immense coming off the bench in the final against a spent Mayo backline. How will he fare as a starter over a full season? Huge players like Flynn, brogan, McCauley and to a lesser extent O'Sullivan look like they are on the wane. Cluxton is also pushing on. Some of these guys are irreplaceable. Their defence is the best around but I think they might struggle to get scores. They were heavily dependent on Rock for scores from frees this year as it is. Maybe all these young lads will come up trumps and they do a three in a row. I don't see it happening personally.
To those saying Donegal are in the hunt, I'm not sure about that. They'd need to improve on their quarter final appearance this year 1000% to be even considered IMO. They were a mess tactically, staying ultra defensive even when chasing the game. They'd have a lot of work to do to win the AI." Completely agree on what you say about Donegal. It was fustrating watching both the Ulster final v Tyrone and quarter final v Dublin this year as we stuck to same predictable tactics in both games. I can't remember us hitting one direct ball into McBrearty v Tyrone and he was making some great runs off the ball and we all seen what he can do v cork when given the chance. We run everything but that only gets you so far and doesn't work against the top teams anymore as it's too easy to defend. Dublin, Mayo and Kerry have a nice variety to their game and I think for Tyrone and Donegal to compete next year they need to rethink their tactics somewhat. I'd trust Mickey Harte and his team to do this but as with the majority of Donegal supporters the jury is out on Rory Gallagher for me. We have the players to compete but I'm no so sure about the management set up.
Mobot (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 10/10/2016 15:41:51
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Replying To Condorman: "Am sick and tired of hearing every Tom, Dick & Harry talking about how Mayo can do it next year and how they deserve it.
Enough, if I was from Mayo I would be cringing ." We're all Tom, Dick and Harrys on here, yourself included.
There are plenty of other topics to read. No one is forcing you to read this one.
Also very few are saying Mayo 'deserve' to win an all-ireland. After losing to a great team in a replayed all-ireland surely people will speculate what might get them over the line, what's holding them back.
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 10/10/2016 15:46:54
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Replying To Laois76: "We're all Tom, Dick and Harrys on here, yourself included.
There are plenty of other topics to read. No one is forcing you to read this one.
Also very few are saying Mayo 'deserve' to win an all-ireland. After losing to a great team in a replayed all-ireland surely people will speculate what might get them over the line, what's holding them back." I don't just mean this forum, its in the print media as well.Keith Duggan had a big spread on them last Saturday in the Times which quite franky was cringe inducing.
They lost.Again.Game over, ball burst.Move on.
Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 10/10/2016 18:34:19
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Replying To Condorman: "I don't just mean this forum, its in the print media as well.Keith Duggan had a big spread on them last Saturday in the Times which quite franky was cringe inducing.
They lost.Again.Game over, ball burst.Move on." Ok. See where you're coming from. I had read much of the recent print media, didn't realise they were still going over it.
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 10/10/2016 20:56:07
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Replying To Laois76: "Ok. See where you're coming from. I had read much of the recent print media, didn't realise they were still going over it." *hadn't*
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 10/10/2016 21:20:31
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Replying To Condorman: "I don't just mean this forum, its in the print media as well.Keith Duggan had a big spread on them last Saturday in the Times which quite franky was cringe inducing.
They lost.Again.Game over, ball burst.Move on." ''Well big team with all the advantages wins again'' isn't quite as enticing headline or story to the neutral (who is the vast majority of the audience)
HurlingWarrior (Limerick) - Posts: 61 - 10/10/2016 21:46:09
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Replying To Dubh_linn: "McHugh does look promising alright and is probably the pick of the upcoming players.Hasn't got much exposure at this level yet but that could change next spring
Costello is a real talent for me and will surely see more game time too.However, it would be extraordinary to think a three in a row would happen and that is very much against the odds.Here's hoping.
What's the sense in Ros with McStay assuming control,have to say I think it's for the best but I'm sure there is more to it then meets the eye!" Roscommon had a poor championship.The joint managers didn't work .It's Kevin McStay v Nigel Dineen now for the vacant manager post.A selection committee has been set up to do interviews.The committee consists of Ros gaa people and former industrial relations chief Kieran Mulvey.Dineen was the Manager of the U21s when they reached the finals against the Dubs in 2012 and 2014.We have had good underage teams recently but it hasn't shown through at senior level yet.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2174 - 11/10/2016 19:45:32
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Replying To endgame: "Roscommon had a poor championship.The joint managers didn't work .It's Kevin McStay v Nigel Dineen now for the vacant manager post.A selection committee has been set up to do interviews.The committee consists of Ros gaa people and former industrial relations chief Kieran Mulvey.Dineen was the Manager of the U21s when they reached the finals against the Dubs in 2012 and 2014.We have had good underage teams recently but it hasn't shown through at senior level yet." Would you be hopeful of challenging next year Endgame?
They started the year so well and it was disappointing for a neutral the way things transpired..let alone Roscommon people. Since the 1pt win over New York they seemed gripped by fear more than anything to do with their football ability. Ye need some work on conditioning being a young team too.
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 11/10/2016 21:33:46
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Replying To Laois76: "Would you be hopeful of challenging next year Endgame?
They started the year so well and it was disappointing for a neutral the way things transpired..let alone Roscommon people. Since the 1pt win over New York they seemed gripped by fear more than anything to do with their football ability. Ye need some work on conditioning being a young team too." The end of the drawn Connacht final was a strange one I couldn't understand roscommons keep ball they should have shown more initiative to go for a winning score. I thought Roscommon would step up a level this year upto that point. underwhelming end to their season for what I think could be a good squad with a bit more development they could eventually start challenging at the business end of the championship obviously it depends on the right management being in place too.
Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 11/10/2016 22:56:34
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