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Its Connacht V Munster next year so if Mayo win Connacht then they will not meet Dublin in a semi presuming Dublin will win leinster
When is the Championship Draw I know it coming up soon
belmay (Mayo) - Posts: 172 - 05/10/2016 13:36:38
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Replying To belmay: "witnof:
Its Connacht V Munster next year so if Mayo win Connacht then they will not meet Dublin in a semi presuming Dublin will win leinster
When is the Championship Draw I know it coming up soon" next thursday
ulster83 (Tyrone) - Posts: 114 - 05/10/2016 14:02:48
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My top 10 for 2017
I am going to try and console myself this week with the thought of a Mayo V Tyrone final next year with us shading it but we need to introduce 2/3 new forwards that are capable of consistently contributing a combined total of 5 from play to add to Cillian frees & few scores from play and an increased scoring ratio from a fully fit Diarmuid.
My Top 5 are Dublin, Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone Donegal & Tyrone
I think any of these 5 have the potential to win 2017, Donegal and Kerry have had good minor teams the last number of years . Tyrone U21 All Ireland Champs 2015, Mayo U21 champions 2016
Slightly back I would Place Monaghan, Galway, Tipperary, Cavan & Roscommon but I feel that we will not see any of these in the 2017 final but that not saying it cannot happen in the near future
Cork May surprise next year a few players back good U21 team last year
Heres to a great 2017 and Mayo finally falling over the line :-)
belmay (Mayo) - Posts: 172 - 05/10/2016 14:12:00
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Replying To Byanthon: "After the championship I would rate the top five as 1. Dublin. 2. Mayo. 3. Kerry. 4. Tyrone. 5. Donegal." Anyone rating teams on this years championship would have to have Tipp in the top 5
Dublin and Mayo are well ahead of the chasing pack headed by Kerry. Don't see any reason why it would not be the same pairing again in the final and if Mayo can unearth a couple of forwards I would fancy them (to hell with superstition)
Meath should put up a better challenge in Leinster, they have the talent but they need a better half back line
Cork need to take a leaf out of Mayo's book and change tactically going man to man wont win an all Ireland, they have the talent potential
Galway and Roscommon are good enough to make the quarter finals
In Ulster, Tyrone are dead certs
mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 05/10/2016 14:13:38
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My top 10 for 2017
I am going to try and console myself this week with the thought of a Mayo V Tyrone final next year with us shading it but we need to introduce 2/3 new forwards that are capable of consistently contributing a combined total of 5 from play to add to Cillian frees & few scores from play and an increased scoring ratio from a fully fit Diarmuid.
My Top 5 are Dublin, Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone Donegal & Tyrone
I think any of these 5 have the potential to win 2017, Donegal and Kerry have had good minor teams the last number of years . Tyrone U21 All Ireland Champs 2015, Mayo U21 champions 2016
Slightly back I would Place Monaghan, Galway, Tipperary, Cavan & Roscommon but I feel that we will not see any of these in the 2017 final but that not saying it cannot happen in the near future
Cork May surprise next year a few players back good U21 team last year
Heres to a great 2017 and Mayo finally falling over the line :-)
belmay (Mayo) - Posts: 172 - 05/10/2016 14:17:46
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Replying To ulster83: "next thursday" Thanks Ulster man is that Thursday 06 / 10 /2016 (Tomorrow) or Thursday 13/10/2016
belmay (Mayo) - Posts: 172 - 05/10/2016 14:19:29
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Replying To mhunicean_abu: "Anyone rating teams on this years championship would have to have Tipp in the top 5
Dublin and Mayo are well ahead of the chasing pack headed by Kerry. Don't see any reason why it would not be the same pairing again in the final and if Mayo can unearth a couple of forwards I would fancy them (to hell with superstition)
Meath should put up a better challenge in Leinster, they have the talent but they need a better half back line
Cork need to take a leaf out of Mayo's book and change tactically going man to man wont win an all Ireland, they have the talent potential
Galway and Roscommon are good enough to make the quarter finals
In Ulster, Tyrone are dead certs" I agree our half back line needs to improve, with Menton back it should help shore up that area quite a bit. I think we will get promotion, however id also think we should make last 8, apart from that we will not feature in final
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 05/10/2016 15:01:38
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Replying To belmay: "Thanks Ulster man is that Thursday 06 / 10 /2016 (Tomorrow) or Thursday 13/10/2016" 13th
ulster83 (Tyrone) - Posts: 114 - 05/10/2016 15:03:05
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Replying To Green_Gold: "Obviously Dublin are going to be favourites with Mayo and Kerry the nearest challengers. Out of the chasing pack I'd give Tyrone the best chance and they are close to breaking through. Donegal and Monaghan could always trouble one of the top teams but not sure they could go the whole way and win the All-Ireland. I feel Tyrone, Donegal and Monaghan are too defensive but with a bit more emphasis on attack they could make a challenge. Cork, Galway, Cavan and Roscommon would be the best of the rest.
Please don't mock me but I think Mayo have a great chance next year, especially if Roachford can learn from this year." I mean the second match was a 1 point loss and that's unfortunate but I can tell you this much, teams like Tyrone and Donegal would never have let Dublin leave Croke Park with a replay on the cards having no forward score for 28 minutes after the first day out.
That was Dublin's bad day to be exploited and they let them off the hook, there always seems to be a team that doesn't suit a team when they play enough and Dublin certainly don't like to play Mayo as they can't get away from them but Mayo also seem to be unable to beat them.
It's great to be hopeful for Mayo and believe that they have one in them but 4-5 bites of the cherry for this team at this point, at some stage you have to get real and say it's more likely that they'll never win one
Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 05/10/2016 15:17:54
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1. Lorcan Molloy 21
2. Jonny Copper 26
3. Rory O Carroll 26
4. Davy Byrne 22
5. James McCarthy 26
6. John Small 23
7. Jack McCaffrey 22
8. Brian Fenton 23
9. Emmett O Con 23
10. Cormac Costello 22
11. Ciaran Kilkenny 23
12. Con O Callaghen 20
13. Paul Mannion 23
14. Dean Rock 26
15. Conor Mchugh 22
Team picked by clondalkindub
Still a lot of years in this Dublin team
Think of the names not on the list that still have another 3-5 years left in them too
Gavin will look to give serious game time to a lot of these lads in the league, and you'll see a few more early 20's lads being brought into the panel.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 05/10/2016 15:18:08
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Replying To JoeSoap: "I find it interesting that Tyrone are being heralded by some as the team to take on the Dubs. They've not showed much in Croke Park to really justify it. They can be a very wasteful side and while they got over the line against us this year we really became complacent when 4 points up. There's not much between us and Tyrone but if they're the "best placed" team to take on Dublin I find it odd that we're not in the equation.
I'd personally say Mayo and Kerry are the best placed teams to take on Dublin, with ourselves and Tyrone capable on a given day if we get our personnel and tactics spot on." Would agree with this post
ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 05/10/2016 15:22:09
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Replying To royaldunne: "No royal day, we don't need it with 20+ provincial titles and 7 all Irelands. We know what we need to do and we will do it. Dont need nonsensical gimmicks.
Hon the Royal." Lol god help you.
ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 05/10/2016 15:29:17
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Replying To thehoops: "Dublin Mayo and Kerry. Everyone else is an ocean behind.
Jim McG was Donegals trump card. They haven't beaten any one decent in champ since he left bar Tyrone early in Ulster last year when they were just relegated.
If Mayo don't have the scoring forwards at least they have a free taker which is much more than can be said for Tyrone!
Tipp will do well to get to another All Ireland semi and if they were to do that, that is still massive progress for them,
Monaghan and Cork have decent teams but at this stage both should consider provincial honours as the limits of their capabilities.
Galway Roscommon Cavan all have good young teams coming through but there is no evidence that they are ready to take out a Kerry Mayo or Dublin in August in Croker.
Counties like Meath Kildare Derry Armagh and Down are so flaky that they can't even expect to make an impact at provincial level unless they seriously buck up their notions over the winter." Tyrone oceans behind Mayo is a complete joke of a comment, we're oceans away from them the same way Mayo are an ocean behind Dublin. Same scoreline, 1 point losses in both matches.
By the way that was one of the worst accounts of themselves i've seen a Tyrone team give, we won't be getting 0-0 from our corner forwards every match and I'd have to imagine Niall Morgan won't be taking a free for Tyrone ever again
Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 05/10/2016 15:31:39
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Replying To royaldunne: "Oh id 100% agree that him and the CB dont see eye to eye, and that's putting it very mildly to say the least , but when you have players like mccauley hailing him as the best manager he ever played for it says lots about the abilities of the man. The CB had no option but to appoint him, as if they hadn't delegates would be baying for blood and their positions would be untenable, and will get promotion, I have no doubts about that. Players like graham Reilly, Donal Keogan, harry Rooney , cillian osullivan, would walk onto most teams in country on their day, the problem is their days have been limited due to ineffectual management, that is no longer the problem. Also the return of Menton , and others who walked away will be a huge boost to the panel.
I do think we need a absolute free taker and despite initial hope Newman is just not as consistent as I would have hoped. But if Andy can get him right then I really think within next 3/4 years we will be serious conceders'." There's a severe mental issue in Meath at the minute.
They could come to Omagh and run Tyrone to the wire or even beat them but they'd go out the next week and lose to a smaller team.
They get really up for the big matches and give decent accounts of themselves but when asked to do the same with the team they really should be beating they capitulate in some way or another. That's been the case for a while now
Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 05/10/2016 15:37:40
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Replying To JoeSoap: "I find it interesting that Tyrone are being heralded by some as the team to take on the Dubs. They've not showed much in Croke Park to really justify it. They can be a very wasteful side and while they got over the line against us this year we really became complacent when 4 points up. There's not much between us and Tyrone but if they're the "best placed" team to take on Dublin I find it odd that we're not in the equation.
I'd personally say Mayo and Kerry are the best placed teams to take on Dublin, with ourselves and Tyrone capable on a given day if we get our personnel and tactics spot on." Joe all Tyrone men and northerners posts i've read are saying there's nothing between Donegal and Tyrone
For what it's worth, to think otherwise is delusional
Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 05/10/2016 15:42:23
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Replying To Seansy48: "There's a severe mental issue in Meath at the minute.
They could come to Omagh and run Tyrone to the wire or even beat them but they'd go out the next week and lose to a smaller team.
They get really up for the big matches and give decent accounts of themselves but when asked to do the same with the team they really should be beating they capitulate in some way or another. That's been the case for a while now" Yeah in the past. I don't think you will see that under Andy McEntee tbh, he is a totally different manager, and would drop any player and I include the likes of Keogan and Reilly in that if they didn't give 100% , je has already said as much in interviews, that consistency will be number 1 priority, and anyone not leaving everything on the field of play will not last. So thats what Andy will bring to the panel, everyone is hugely excited by his appointment (cb apart )
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 05/10/2016 16:21:28
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Replying To Seansy48: "Joe all Tyrone men and northerners posts i've read are saying there's nothing between Donegal and Tyrone
For what it's worth, to think otherwise is delusional" Oh don't get me wrong the comments aren't coming from anyone within Tyrone, I just find it interesting that it seems to be a wider held view that your boys are best placed to displace the Dubs with no mention of ourselves. But without a doubt within the province most are under no illusions, there's no gap between us and I'd say Monaghan will still be very competitive as well.
Will be interesting to see how Cavan go with a new manager whenever they are announced
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 05/10/2016 16:28:25
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Replying To royaldunne: "I agree our half back line needs to improve, with Menton back it should help shore up that area quite a bit. I think we will get promotion, however id also think we should make last 8, apart from that we will not feature in final" There's a huge amount of the luck of the draw around the championship.
You get Dublin in your half of the draw and you'll have to win 3 qualifier matches to hit a quarter-final. That's not easy.
You avoid Dublin and can get to a Leinster final you're in with a chance of a quarter-final.
I can't see you guys beating a Dublin, Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone or Donegal for a while.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4236 - 05/10/2016 16:39:53
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Replying To Whammo86: "There's a huge amount of the luck of the draw around the championship.
You get Dublin in your half of the draw and you'll have to win 3 qualifier matches to hit a quarter-final. That's not easy.
You avoid Dublin and can get to a Leinster final you're in with a chance of a quarter-final.
I can't see you guys beating a Dublin, Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone or Donegal for a while." Wouldn't say for awhile, maybe not next year but by andys 3rd year I think most would think we could. Meath actually have a decent set of players at the moment, but they have been seriously underperforming, I think Andy over the next 3 years will rectify that.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 05/10/2016 17:22:06
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Replying To JoeSoap: "Oh don't get me wrong the comments aren't coming from anyone within Tyrone, I just find it interesting that it seems to be a wider held view that your boys are best placed to displace the Dubs with no mention of ourselves. But without a doubt within the province most are under no illusions, there's no gap between us and I'd say Monaghan will still be very competitive as well.
Will be interesting to see how Cavan go with a new manager whenever they are announced" Barry Cahill coming out with it 2 days after the final didn't help i'd imagine!
I don't think it's been discussed and a bit out of the blue but I was unbelievably happy to hear Murphy got away with the knee injury, the game needs its best players on the field. On top of that it looks like he's got himself back into nice scoring form
Can't wait for the next epic encounter in the league....it always always is!
Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 05/10/2016 17:32:10
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