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Replying To oakleafersir: "In order to win province
Ulster Leinster. Connacht
Tyrone Dublin Galway
Donegal Longford Mayo
Cavan Offaly Rosscommon
Monaghan Westmeath Sligo
Fermanagh Meath London
Derry Laios New York
Armagh Louth Leirim
Down Kildare
Antrim Wexford
Wicklow
Carlow
Munster
Kerry
Tipperary
Cork
Clare
Limerick
Waterford" For me Ulster would be
Donegal / Tyrone ( nothing between them)
Cavan
Fermanagh
Monaghan
Derry
Armagh
Antrim
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ulster83 (Tyrone) - Posts: 114 - 04/10/2016 17:19:04
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Replying To Whammo86: "A very good season for Meath would be to get promoted and to not lose to any team other than Dublin, Tyrone, Donegal, Mayo or Kerry in the championship.
A loss to the likes of a Cork, Galway or Monaghan wouldn't be terrible.
Losing to any Leinster team bar Dublin would represent a lack of progress.
Whilst McEntee looks like a great appointment there are a lot of top managers out there. I hope he is given time to work things through. He is far from being a favourite of the current county board." Oh id 100% agree that him and the CB dont see eye to eye, and that's putting it very mildly to say the least , but when you have players like mccauley hailing him as the best manager he ever played for it says lots about the abilities of the man. The CB had no option but to appoint him, as if they hadn't delegates would be baying for blood and their positions would be untenable, and will get promotion, I have no doubts about that. Players like graham Reilly, Donal Keogan, harry Rooney , cillian osullivan, would walk onto most teams in country on their day, the problem is their days have been limited due to ineffectual management, that is no longer the problem. Also the return of Menton , and others who walked away will be a huge boost to the panel.
I do think we need a absolute free taker and despite initial hope Newman is just not as consistent as I would have hoped. But if Andy can get him right then I really think within next 3/4 years we will be serious conceders'.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 04/10/2016 17:22:11
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Replying To ulster83: "For me Ulster would be
Donegal / Tyrone ( nothing between them)
Cavan
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Down" Antrim are worse than Down.
Harsh on Monaghan also
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4236 - 04/10/2016 17:26:29
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Replying To royaldunne: "Oh id 100% agree that him and the CB dont see eye to eye, and that's putting it very mildly to say the least , but when you have players like mccauley hailing him as the best manager he ever played for it says lots about the abilities of the man. The CB had no option but to appoint him, as if they hadn't delegates would be baying for blood and their positions would be untenable, and will get promotion, I have no doubts about that. Players like graham Reilly, Donal Keogan, harry Rooney , cillian osullivan, would walk onto most teams in country on their day, the problem is their days have been limited due to ineffectual management, that is no longer the problem. Also the return of Menton , and others who walked away will be a huge boost to the panel.
I do think we need a absolute free taker and despite initial hope Newman is just not as consistent as I would have hoped. But if Andy can get him right then I really think within next 3/4 years we will be serious conceders'." "Serious conceders "
Sounds about right ...ur words my man ur words !!
rossy15 (Roscommon) - Posts: 619 - 04/10/2016 17:36:42
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Replying To royaldunne: "Oh id 100% agree that him and the CB dont see eye to eye, and that's putting it very mildly to say the least , but when you have players like mccauley hailing him as the best manager he ever played for it says lots about the abilities of the man. The CB had no option but to appoint him, as if they hadn't delegates would be baying for blood and their positions would be untenable, and will get promotion, I have no doubts about that. Players like graham Reilly, Donal Keogan, harry Rooney , cillian osullivan, would walk onto most teams in country on their day, the problem is their days have been limited due to ineffectual management, that is no longer the problem. Also the return of Menton , and others who walked away will be a huge boost to the panel.
I do think we need a absolute free taker and despite initial hope Newman is just not as consistent as I would have hoped. But if Andy can get him right then I really think within next 3/4 years we will be serious conceders'." Whatever about Saint Andy doing his absolute best and getting the absolute best from his team, for Meath to be contenders it requires multiple counties, who are way ahead in their processes and structures, completely falling off the map.
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12121 - 04/10/2016 17:50:29
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It will be the usual customers in the later end of the championship and no one is not without a chance, Tyrone, Kerry, Mayo, Donegal all have the ability and marquee players to win games.
On the above teams what i have noticed this year is part of the by product of Dublins success is teams have abandoned their natural creative, free flowing football DNA in an attempt to beat Dublin. Both Kerry and Mayo played defensive systems to beat Dublin, that were not successful, but yet got them closer. Some real soul searching to be done in those counties in my opinion about whether they play to their historic strengths and culture or just set up like a Donegal system. It will be fasciniating. Tyrone are an unknown quantity for the Dubs, so if they win Ulster that will be interesting. If they play open in a possible semi final, Dublin may be caught on the hop by a defensive Kerry or Mayo. I think the championship will be open enough. Do counties focus on themselves or just try and come up with something to beat Dublin.
As for Dublin, they will evolve again they have done consistently every year since 2011. The starting 15 is never static and new players are being introduced all the time, the majority of Dublins successful U21 teams have only been on the fringes of the first panel (which is strange when you think Costello has 3 all-ireland senior medals) and others have had limited blooding. Certainly some are making a case for first team slots. Will it be time for changing of the gaurd? Will we see the likes of Flynn, Bernard, MDM be unleashed from the bench as impact players. Certainly they will be well managed by Gavin as Alan was. A lot of questions to answer in the panel. Many believe that the pick of this Dublin generation of players is yet to come and in Con O' Callaghan we have a trually exceptional talent, certainly at U21 level he is outstanding and at he has taken to senior level with limited game time like he owns it. As ridiculous as it sounds given the depth in previous years, the Dublin panel is ridicuosly strong more so this year and next then ever. Someone made the point about the defence, we are as equally endowed there with talent now as we have been for years in attack. There are many feel that Young Carthy may step up to be the player to partner Fenton long term as well, he could do with Vincents not doing well this year. This Dublin team has evolved from the swashbukling naieve, Plan A only football of 2014, while still capable of it, VS Kerry and up to the final. This team is tough. Want to play open football - lets go, blacket defense - no problem, want to fight - lets go, want to play cynicaly - lets have it. I expect similar evolution and transition next year, nothing remains static in the capital. Thats before you even talk about Jack McCaffery coming bcak who brings a whole different dimension.
It took a great Dublin team to end the great Tyrone and Kerry teams and i think it will take a similar coming a great team to beat this Dublin team. Wheather that will be next year will remain to be seen, but think there is a lot of soul seraching that needs to be done on the footballing DNA and who counties are in footballing terms in Kerry and Mayo. Cant wait.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 04/10/2016 17:52:29
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Royaldunne you certainly are the eternal optimist, I would put Westmeath and Kildare ahead of meath in Leinster and even at that they are a long way off Dublin , but fair play to you for having that much faith in your team ,saint Andy can only work with the players he has at his disposal so on that point I really do wish him the best of luck ! He's going to need it the poor man !
DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 04/10/2016 18:38:17
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Replying To TheUsername: "It will be the usual customers in the later end of the championship and no one is not without a chance, Tyrone, Kerry, Mayo, Donegal all have the ability and marquee players to win games.
On the above teams what i have noticed this year is part of the by product of Dublins success is teams have abandoned their natural creative, free flowing football DNA in an attempt to beat Dublin. Both Kerry and Mayo played defensive systems to beat Dublin, that were not successful, but yet got them closer. Some real soul searching to be done in those counties in my opinion about whether they play to their historic strengths and culture or just set up like a Donegal system. It will be fasciniating. Tyrone are an unknown quantity for the Dubs, so if they win Ulster that will be interesting. If they play open in a possible semi final, Dublin may be caught on the hop by a defensive Kerry or Mayo. I think the championship will be open enough. Do counties focus on themselves or just try and come up with something to beat Dublin.
As for Dublin, they will evolve again they have done consistently every year since 2011. The starting 15 is never static and new players are being introduced all the time, the majority of Dublins successful U21 teams have only been on the fringes of the first panel (which is strange when you think Costello has 3 all-ireland senior medals) and others have had limited blooding. Certainly some are making a case for first team slots. Will it be time for changing of the gaurd? Will we see the likes of Flynn, Bernard, MDM be unleashed from the bench as impact players. Certainly they will be well managed by Gavin as Alan was. A lot of questions to answer in the panel. Many believe that the pick of this Dublin generation of players is yet to come and in Con O' Callaghan we have a trually exceptional talent, certainly at U21 level he is outstanding and at he has taken to senior level with limited game time like he owns it. As ridiculous as it sounds given the depth in previous years, the Dublin panel is ridicuosly strong more so this year and next then ever. Someone made the point about the defence, we are as equally endowed there with talent now as we have been for years in attack. There are many feel that Young Carthy may step up to be the player to partner Fenton long term as well, he could do with Vincents not doing well this year. This Dublin team has evolved from the swashbukling naieve, Plan A only football of 2014, while still capable of it, VS Kerry and up to the final. This team is tough. Want to play open football - lets go, blacket defense - no problem, want to fight - lets go, want to play cynicaly - lets have it. I expect similar evolution and transition next year, nothing remains static in the capital. Thats before you even talk about Jack McCaffery coming bcak who brings a whole different dimension.
It took a great Dublin team to end the great Tyrone and Kerry teams and i think it will take a similar coming a great team to beat this Dublin team. Wheather that will be next year will remain to be seen, but think there is a lot of soul seraching that needs to be done on the footballing DNA and who counties are in footballing terms in Kerry and Mayo. Cant wait." I wouldn't say Mayo and Kerry set up like Donegal.
They brought in sweepers but still tried to press Dublin high.
Donegal and Tyrone don't exert pressure until around their own 45 and look to break into space.
Donegal and Tyrone need to work on a plan B. Those teams are snookered if they go behind as they find it hard to win the ball back if a team isn't actively looking to attack them.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4236 - 04/10/2016 19:01:24
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Just throwing it out there everyone is saying the same few, Kerry Donegal Mayo, Tyrone Donegal etc out of curiosity Cavan won what was it 3 or 4 Ulster U21's recently does anyone consider them contenders building on that team?
Personally I can see us rattling again on condition Fitzmaurice is cold and culls the panel mercilessly and bloods the lads from recent minor teams
Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 04/10/2016 19:15:55
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Replying To witnof: "Dublin v Tyrone Final
Dublin have the Indian sign over Mayo.
Kerry need to revamp their team and that can take 2-3 years. Why winning three minors is important I am not sure for me its more the U21 that is a picture of the future. And the longer the Kerry 'stars' stay on the better for the rest of us.
Donegal like Kerry will take 2 or 3 years to bed in young players.
Galway and Tipp in the next group but am not sure they can truely break through. They would be along with Cavan and Monaghan but for me Cavan and Monaghan are stagnant.
Dublin to win. No big surprise there. They have Jack Flash back for the backs and with Small, Byrne and Fitzy s ohave freshened the backs up. Costello and O'Callaghan the fresh bloods for the forwards so Gavin has options to change the game plan.
So the semi's
Dublin v Mayo in the Semi...Dublin to win
Kerry v Tyrone ....Tyrone to win
And in the final I fear Tyrone of all the teams out there. I am lighting candles Sean Kavanagh realises he is an old man and should retire :)" Witnof Tyrones big problem is they don't a Dean Rock who can score frees and without that they won't get to a final. They also need to replace their 2 corner forwards. 2 years in a trot they should have made final only to lose narrowly with a poor wide percentage - fix that and I would agree they have the capability of taking on Dubs.
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 04/10/2016 19:42:55
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Replying To rossy15: ""Serious conceders "
Sounds about right ...ur words my man ur words !!" Dont worry no matter how bad we are we will never have a royal day, now when is the rossies day in 17?? And hows that bus that's parked for 90% of the year doing ?
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 04/10/2016 20:12:48
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Replying To royaldunne: "Dont worry no matter how bad we are we will never have a royal day, now when is the rossies day in 17?? And hows that bus that's parked for 90% of the year doing ?" Ha ha don't be worrying about the rossie boy
...... u do know it's not the premiership and u can't buy players ....
I'm still lol ING here all evening
Chat to ya end a March..... when yell still b n division 2 ... if yer lucky !
rossy15 (Roscommon) - Posts: 619 - 04/10/2016 20:51:50
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Replying To Whammo86: "Antrim are worse than Down.
Harsh on Monaghan also" Would agree monaghan are a better team then cavan and fermanagh
ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 04/10/2016 20:53:53
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Replying To royaldunne: "Dont worry no matter how bad we are we will never have a royal day, now when is the rossies day in 17?? And hows that bus that's parked for 90% of the year doing ?" Maybe if yee had a royal day in Meath their wouldnt be so many young lads wearing dublin jerseys in meath
ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 04/10/2016 21:01:38
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Replying To ROS1: "Maybe if yee had a royal day in Meath their wouldnt be so many young lads wearing dublin jerseys in meath" No royal day, we don't need it with 20+ provincial titles and 7 all Irelands. We know what we need to do and we will do it. Dont need nonsensical gimmicks.
Hon the Royal.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 04/10/2016 21:36:56
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Replying To rossy15: "Ha ha don't be worrying about the rossie boy
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I'm still lol ING here all evening
Chat to ya end a March..... when yell still b n division 2 ... if yer lucky !" Nope only one of is that will be in division 2 in march is Roscommon I'm afraid, then u will be just like Westmeath. Roscommon lol .
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 04/10/2016 21:39:43
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Replying To Horsebox77: "Just throwing it out there everyone is saying the same few, Kerry Donegal Mayo, Tyrone Donegal etc out of curiosity Cavan won what was it 3 or 4 Ulster U21's recently does anyone consider them contenders building on that team?
Personally I can see us rattling again on condition Fitzmaurice is cold and culls the panel mercilessly and bloods the lads from recent minor teams" 4 consecutive Ulster U21 titles 2011-14 (and a runner up spot in 2010). This means that the players involved will be roughly 24-28 in 2017, no younger than any other inter-county squad. All of those teams also failed to produce a marquee senior inter-county inside forward unfortunately, a man capable of kicking even 3 or 4 points from play consistently.
Hopefully our new manager (if we ever get one!) will bring our team onto another level and back to an Ulster final. At this stage I'd settle for the day out!
GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 329 - 04/10/2016 22:27:02
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I find it interesting that Tyrone are being heralded by some as the team to take on the Dubs. They've not showed much in Croke Park to really justify it. They can be a very wasteful side and while they got over the line against us this year we really became complacent when 4 points up. There's not much between us and Tyrone but if they're the "best placed" team to take on Dublin I find it odd that we're not in the equation.
I'd personally say Mayo and Kerry are the best placed teams to take on Dublin, with ourselves and Tyrone capable on a given day if we get our personnel and tactics spot on.
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 05/10/2016 12:34:39
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Replying To JoeSoap: "I find it interesting that Tyrone are being heralded by some as the team to take on the Dubs. They've not showed much in Croke Park to really justify it. They can be a very wasteful side and while they got over the line against us this year we really became complacent when 4 points up. There's not much between us and Tyrone but if they're the "best placed" team to take on Dublin I find it odd that we're not in the equation.
I'd personally say Mayo and Kerry are the best placed teams to take on Dublin, with ourselves and Tyrone capable on a given day if we get our personnel and tactics spot on." Nothing between Donegal and Tyrone as this years Ulster final proved. If anything Donegal are better equipped because they have better forwards and more younger players coming through if they are used. Nothing between Kerry, Tyrone and Donegal, these 3 will be Dublin nearest challangers for the next 2/3 years.
ulster83 (Tyrone) - Posts: 114 - 05/10/2016 12:48:47
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After the championship I would rate the top five as 1. Dublin. 2. Mayo. 3. Kerry. 4. Tyrone. 5. Donegal.
Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 05/10/2016 13:00:38
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