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Replying To avonali:  "Dropping Connolly ??? are you serious. He didn't have a great game but he was by no means the worst forward on display yesterday. He tracked back well and did some good things e.g. that pass into Rock that led to the second o.g. No Dub fan would contemplate dropping Connolly."
You'd have to be sick in the head to drop Connelly after one averagely poor game .

GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 19/09/2016 20:57:44    1916608

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Replying To avonali:  "Dropping Connolly ??? are you serious. He didn't have a great game but he was by no means the worst forward on display yesterday. He tracked back well and did some good things e.g. that pass into Rock that led to the second o.g. No Dub fan would contemplate dropping Connolly."
Agree. A lot of people, including our Donegal friend here, seem to be rating Dublin on one game all of a sudden. Now all of a sudden they wouldn't live with the Kerry team of the 70s or 80s. Nonsense talk. Look at the trophy cabinet of this Dublin team and the unbeaten run they are on right now. They are an exceptional side. The more people start writing them off due to an off day for their forwards yesterday the happier us Dubs become. Dropping Connolly? You are joking. He completely nullified Keegan yesterday and his work rate was superb. Arguably the best moments of skill in the game were his superb right footed pass to Rock for goal 2 and his left footed point from the sideline. Dublin hit about 13 wides yesterday from play and missed 4 kickable frees. Their forwards were very sloppy when distributing. I don't see this happening the next day. However this is an excellent Mayo team and definitely capable of beating Dublin but they will need a lot to go their way I feel, Dublin to be off colour again, O'Shea to play and perhaps a couple of goals. It will be interesting and if the weather is better the quality should improve.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 19/09/2016 21:10:33    1916621

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James McCarthy was a huge loss to Dublin when black carded yesterday.He's an outstanding player and I'd expect him to have a stormer in the replay.Both teams will learn from yesterday but the history of replays is that they normally favour the favourites.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2166 - 19/09/2016 21:15:53    1916629

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Replying To avonali:  "Dropping Connolly ??? are you serious. He didn't have a great game but he was by no means the worst forward on display yesterday. He tracked back well and did some good things e.g. that pass into Rock that led to the second o.g. No Dub fan would contemplate dropping Connolly."
No doubting his ability & both feet, yes the pass to Rock who set up the assist for Boyle to score ! & his point from play in the last few minutes. But contrast that with trying to pull the ball off Kilkenny & going for a score that is less than 20% chance on a wet day, 1min 50sec the wise play was to play a possession ball, it gave Mayo possession from which the won 19 out of 24 knockouts & went down the field & scored, did it cost the game ? Also I know he is targeted by teams but his reactions are rash & usually lead him to being punished, this affects the team. Any of Connolly, MDMA, Flynn, Brogan, Rock & my favourite player Mc Manamon could be dropped as none of them played to their potential. All the subs bar O Gara played well when introduced. A couple of things on the day, Dublins attack was too slow, static & too many lateral plays, no direct running or penetration, free kicks kicked from the ground on a wet day have a lower % of conversion than frees from the hands. The last free Rock kicked was from the hands, great score. The cool & calm approach from the Dub management team is all well & good but sometimes you have to show & direct a bit of passion to drive it on, Dublin need a change of personnel, attitude & tactics to win.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 19/09/2016 21:19:09    1916632

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Replying To GameOfTyrones:  "You'd have to be sick in the head to drop Connelly after one averagely poor game ."
No I was suggesting dropping Connolly not sure who this Connelly fella is. Sure anyone that's on here are all sick in the head, I thought that was well known, cuckoo. In all seriousness Connolly is a talented player but he had a poor enough game & possibly cost them the game with that sideline ball. He would be a great impact sub with something to prove when he would come on.

moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 19/09/2016 21:27:09    1916640

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AOS will not be dropped. He needs more support up front though. I am usually critical of Jason Doherty but he impressed yesterday but must keep that up. Something clearly wrong with Diarmuid O Connor..not himself at all.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 19/09/2016 21:39:18    1916653

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Whatever the justification for dropping Brogan there is no way you could drop Connolly, if Deegan would give Keegan an early yellow card the next day it would cut out the messing he does with Connolly, he is the instigator, what the hell is Connolly supposed to do? of course he's going to try and get free and play his game, this crack goes on all the time, Michael Murphy has to put up with same rubbish from Mc Mahon when we play Tyrone.
refs need to grow a pair and sort this nonsense out.

TirChonaillabu2 (Donegal) - Posts: 344 - 19/09/2016 21:43:11    1916657

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My opinion is that Mayo played out of their skin and in a large part account for Dublin's poor performance.

I believe we have more room to improve is my take on it.

Our backs, especially the full back line, which are seen as a weakness have once again proved themselves a formidable unit.

MDMA reminds me of Ryan Dwyer of the hurlers, always on the edge of cards. His tackles are always poor in bad weather as there is less room for error. Fenton always puts in a good shift.

In the forwards Flynner I think is still carrying an injury. Brogan never does well in wet weather, doesn't suit his 'sliding' into oncoming ball and turning low around the back.

If we were to make three changes for me they are.

1. If rain is forecast Paddy Andrews for Brogan, stating Brogan is carrying an injury and bring him on with 20 to go. 2. Mannion for Flynner. 3 Bastick to start, more defensive and allows Fenton more forward runs.

Connolly would never drop as while he is there Lee Keegan is occupied and no forward runs.

But remember the weather meant it was a backs day and we saw both backlines come out on top.

Dublin to win.

Not as if I was going to say anything else

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 20/09/2016 07:12:12    1916721

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Mayo need aiden Oshea to step up and make a difference. If they get him playing his best out the field not at fw they have a chance.

dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1057 - 20/09/2016 11:10:38    1916807

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Watched it back a couple of times. We laboured badly. 3 very tough games now will take their toll. We've lost our appeitite it seems. Mayo should take this by a couple of points I reckon. We went 29m without scoring which has to be a huge cause for concern.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 20/09/2016 11:24:49    1916822

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Replying To Joxer:  "Watched it back a couple of times. We laboured badly. 3 very tough games now will take their toll. We've lost our appeitite it seems. Mayo should take this by a couple of points I reckon. We went 29m without scoring which has to be a huge cause for concern."
3 tough games? you'd want to try getting out of Ulster, times 3 tough games will only get you as far as the Ulster final, no wonder Ulster teams are half wrecked by the time they get to Croker.

TirChonaillabu2 (Donegal) - Posts: 344 - 20/09/2016 11:39:01    1916828

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Dropping AOS and Connolly, I don't think that would be wise. I would have thought Seamie O'Shea, Paul Flynn & Bernard Brogan would be the most vulnerable players to getting dropped on both sides, none of these players have played to their usual standard this year. Dropping Flynn might not be easy as a replacement like Andrews or Mannion wouldn't track back as well as Flynn. It would be a big call to drop Bernard as he has come up trumps in previous years. I thought AOS did ok last Sunday, not a great game from him but he still contributed.

I am starting to get the feeling that Mayo could win this as they are improving as the year goes on. Dublin are just not playing to their usual high standard this year, they made hard work of beating Donegal and Kerry, two teams who have gone backwards. You would think Dublin couldn't play any worse but maybe they just don't have another gear in them this year.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1874 - 20/09/2016 11:43:54    1916832

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Replying To moc.dna:  "No I was suggesting dropping Connolly not sure who this Connelly fella is. Sure anyone that's on here are all sick in the head, I thought that was well known, cuckoo. In all seriousness Connolly is a talented player but he had a poor enough game & possibly cost them the game with that sideline ball. He would be a great impact sub with something to prove when he would come on."
Same name, different spelling . Actually the Connelly spelling is far more common than Connolly so apologies as most I know with that name spell it the former .

But he had one bad game ? One 4 out of 10 game and 20 good games before that .You can't drop one of the best in the game because a few little errors or a day where half the team had a little breakdown.

He's a leader ,not starting him would just be a waste when he could be doing what he usually does ( its not like he can't last a full game), which is usually leading the battle and winning the game for Dublin.

Brogan is the obvious target to drop not ConnOly . He hasn't performed at all this year and there is very little debating that .

GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 20/09/2016 11:58:01    1916838

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I thought Dublin looked jaded the last day too, I think Gavin has to freshen things up. There's every chance that October 1st will be as wet as last Sunday. I'd start with Bastick and Fenton i lar na pairce, put Connolly in full forward, drop Brogan and put Mannion in at 11. That would leave Mayo with the choice of leaving Keegan in their full back line or letting someone else mind Connolly.

McMenamin deserves another chance but I'd take Flynner out if I could think of a straight replacement for him. I fully expect JG to name the same team for the next day, whether that team is the one that actually starts though remains to be seen.

Mickmick (Dublin) - Posts: 104 - 20/09/2016 11:59:42    1916839

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Well sure we get another couple weeks as AI champs!

All credit to Mayo, I think they handed the conditions better and I fully expected their best performance of the year before the game

Also a defensive system is far easier to implement with a very wet ball and very slippery under foot

There is no doubt that they implemented a 2012 Donegal style game plan

Rock missed the sort of frees he's been popping over for fun and for me EOG should have come on much sooner

But they still couldn't beat us, and in fact Dublin were 9 seconds away from a back to back!

Why Connolly didn't just pick out a short pass from the side line, Kilkenny was right not to want to give him the ball but the more senior player won out, someone should have come short, maintain possession and pop a few hand passes over head or draw a foul.

We were in control of the ball and Mayo didn't look like scoring until we handed it back to them and we were out of position then on their quick kick out

But listen a draw was the fair result when all the factors are put into place and considered

For me, Mayo have possibly shown their hand now and I'd expect a better Dublin performance

Mayo will find it hard to replicate the effort they put into the first game IMO and the conditions may not be as favourable for defensive football

The only way is up for Dublin, James McCarthy going off was a huge factor and he'll be back in there now again

I'd feel confident that Dublin can do it"
Mayo were poor guys... o Sheas, O Connors in particular.. It was a backs game and they were the only guys who won their battles.

unclegerry (Mayo) - Posts: 1222 - 20/09/2016 12:00:18    1916841

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Replying To TirChonaillabu2:  "3 tough games? you'd want to try getting out of Ulster, times 3 tough games will only get you as far as the Ulster final, no wonder Ulster teams are half wrecked by the time they get to Croker."
Haha yeah , throw in a replay on top of that one and teams are fit to drop come croker , our AI final was with mayo in the quarter . Easier to pick up injuries too in them tight gritty Ulster games

GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 20/09/2016 12:02:30    1916843

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Replying To Mickmick:  "I thought Dublin looked jaded the last day too, I think Gavin has to freshen things up. There's every chance that October 1st will be as wet as last Sunday. I'd start with Bastick and Fenton i lar na pairce, put Connolly in full forward, drop Brogan and put Mannion in at 11. That would leave Mayo with the choice of leaving Keegan in their full back line or letting someone else mind Connolly.

McMenamin deserves another chance but I'd take Flynner out if I could think of a straight replacement for him. I fully expect JG to name the same team for the next day, whether that team is the one that actually starts though remains to be seen."
I'd be putting Andrews on before Mannion.

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 20/09/2016 12:13:10    1916849

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In the last three years, Mayo have drew with Kerry and Dublin twice. I thought the analysis after Sunday was geared towards Dublin underperforming. I disagree, I thought Mayo outperformed them. The defensive part of there game was top class for the most part. Tactically Mayo got it right and as a result Dublin were not allowed to have runners coming through from all angles. Dublin got two very lucky goals and benefited from a bit of Mayo madness when level.. Mayo gifted three points in a row around the 60th minute. Dublin will not get the lucky goals again, and if Mayo can get a better performance from O'Shea and continue the defensive gamplan, I can see Sam going West.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 20/09/2016 12:22:53    1916859

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If Mayo are to win they will have to make better use of possession
when they get in to scoring range they had so many back that when
they broke they did not have enough players up front and kicked ball
i Mayo man outnumbered 3 to 1 Aidan OShea need to do alot better
giving away hard earned possession he is not the only culprit Dublin
will never be as poor again i think the result will be similar to last years
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wfkerry (USA) - Posts: 933 - 20/09/2016 12:49:38    1916871

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Replying To sam1884:  "In the last three years, Mayo have drew with Kerry and Dublin twice. I thought the analysis after Sunday was geared towards Dublin underperforming. I disagree, I thought Mayo outperformed them. The defensive part of there game was top class for the most part. Tactically Mayo got it right and as a result Dublin were not allowed to have runners coming through from all angles. Dublin got two very lucky goals and benefited from a bit of Mayo madness when level.. Mayo gifted three points in a row around the 60th minute. Dublin will not get the lucky goals again, and if Mayo can get a better performance from O'Shea and continue the defensive gamplan, I can see Sam going West."
Well Sam you're right Dublin got two fortunate goals. However if you look at the second, if Boyle didn't touch that ball Rock would have buried it. I think Dublin will be happy with the chances they created, 3 one on ones with Clarke, 13 wides, 4 easy frees missed. For all the talk of Mayo playing great defesively, and I think they did, they coughed up some amount of chances. Conditions played a huge part. But I think Mayo may have enough in the tank next day, Dublin was their first Div 1 opponent this year and Dublin had two tough games heading into this one. The legs ate drained. Sure we're happy enough to have another chance and with any luck we'll still be in the game with 10 to go.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 20/09/2016 12:52:21    1916873

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