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The Replay - How do you see it going?

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Well we go again! How do people see it going?

I'd love some genuine thought out responses instead of the usual wind up posts please! :)

Personally, I think we'll still do it, not overly confident but think we'll just about nick it. Granted there's major improvement needed from both sides but we're not going to be that bad again and I think that may have been Mayo's chance. But the only way we will do it is if Gavin shakes things up a bit. Certain players (imo) are being played on reputation and that needs to change. Andrews needs to start.

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 19/09/2016 08:38:47    1916006

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Replying To CroiGorm:  "Well we go again! How do people see it going?

I'd love some genuine thought out responses instead of the usual wind up posts please! :)

Personally, I think we'll still do it, not overly confident but think we'll just about nick it. Granted there's major improvement needed from both sides but we're not going to be that bad again and I think that may have been Mayo's chance. But the only way we will do it is if Gavin shakes things up a bit. Certain players (imo) are being played on reputation and that needs to change. Andrews needs to start."
Depends, if Gavin drops brogan, McCauley, brings in Andrews etc, Dublin should prevail, but will they improve by 6/7 points, ? And if mayo can maybe improve as well it will make for a interesting game.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/09/2016 09:20:49    1916024

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Replying To CroiGorm:  "Well we go again! How do people see it going?

I'd love some genuine thought out responses instead of the usual wind up posts please! :)

Personally, I think we'll still do it, not overly confident but think we'll just about nick it. Granted there's major improvement needed from both sides but we're not going to be that bad again and I think that may have been Mayo's chance. But the only way we will do it is if Gavin shakes things up a bit. Certain players (imo) are being played on reputation and that needs to change. Andrews needs to start."
Well sure we get another couple weeks as AI champs!

All credit to Mayo, I think they handed the conditions better and I fully expected their best performance of the year before the game

Also a defensive system is far easier to implement with a very wet ball and very slippery under foot

There is no doubt that they implemented a 2012 Donegal style game plan

Rock missed the sort of frees he's been popping over for fun and for me EOG should have come on much sooner

But they still couldn't beat us, and in fact Dublin were 9 seconds away from a back to back!

Why Connolly didn't just pick out a short pass from the side line, Kilkenny was right not to want to give him the ball but the more senior player won out, someone should have come short, maintain possession and pop a few hand passes over head or draw a foul.

We were in control of the ball and Mayo didn't look like scoring until we handed it back to them and we were out of position then on their quick kick out

But listen a draw was the fair result when all the factors are put into place and considered

For me, Mayo have possibly shown their hand now and I'd expect a better Dublin performance

Mayo will find it hard to replicate the effort they put into the first game IMO and the conditions may not be as favourable for defensive football

The only way is up for Dublin, James McCarthy going off was a huge factor and he'll be back in there now again

I'd feel confident that Dublin can do it

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 19/09/2016 09:34:20    1916034

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Dubs will improve a lot from yesterday and do enough to win a close game IMO. They'll be a couple of Dubs looking over their shoulder at the bench and Gavin would be well within his rights to shake things up. Flynn and Brogan in particular are being picked on reputation at this stage. They have two weeks to devise a winning strategy for the replay and I think Gavin will do just that.

Mayo need to raise it again. I'm not sure what more they can do as they got everything spot on yesterday, and but for two freak goals would have won comfortably IMO. They had Dublin on the rack and probably won't get that chance again. They need to get more out of AOS and improve their decision making and shooting but we've been saying that about them for years. I doubt they'll have the answer by October 1st. At one stage in the second half yesterday when they were well on top they passed the ball directly to a Dublin defender while under minimal pressure three times in a row, crazy stuff.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 19/09/2016 09:37:44    1916038

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I think Gavin should make changes, Paul
Flynn is not worth a starting position at the moment and being honest I wouldn't be surprised if Brogan was left on the bench either, I agree that Andrews is knocking strongly on the door to start following his performance yesterday. Mayo can improve in many areas also, some of their passing and shot selection was poor yesterday as highlighted by Seamus O'Shea giving the ball away needlessly three times in a row before being taken off. I think it's 50/50 the next day and Mayo will take great belief from yesterday.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 19/09/2016 09:40:14    1916042

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Well sure we get another couple weeks as AI champs!

All credit to Mayo, I think they handed the conditions better and I fully expected their best performance of the year before the game

Also a defensive system is far easier to implement with a very wet ball and very slippery under foot

There is no doubt that they implemented a 2012 Donegal style game plan

Rock missed the sort of frees he's been popping over for fun and for me EOG should have come on much sooner

But they still couldn't beat us, and in fact Dublin were 9 seconds away from a back to back!

Why Connolly didn't just pick out a short pass from the side line, Kilkenny was right not to want to give him the ball but the more senior player won out, someone should have come short, maintain possession and pop a few hand passes over head or draw a foul.

We were in control of the ball and Mayo didn't look like scoring until we handed it back to them and we were out of position then on their quick kick out

But listen a draw was the fair result when all the factors are put into place and considered

For me, Mayo have possibly shown their hand now and I'd expect a better Dublin performance

Mayo will find it hard to replicate the effort they put into the first game IMO and the conditions may not be as favourable for defensive football

The only way is up for Dublin, James McCarthy going off was a huge factor and he'll be back in there now again

I'd feel confident that Dublin can do it"
I actually think the Dubs improved after Mccarthy went off. Kilkenny going to the half back line really improved the dubs. His best performance came when he played in the half back line against Donegal and I think he should play there in the replay.

I've said it in another thread that Brogan wasn't having a good year and after yesterday a number seem to be agreeing with me.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 19/09/2016 10:00:03    1916054

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I'm not so sure about the 'Dublin won't play that bad again' reason for them winning the replay.
They played bad because they weren't let play.
Mayo won't score two own goals again and Seamus O'Shea won't give the ball away 4 times in a row etc
I'd be fierce bullish now if I was a Mayo player
Dublin do need to look at Flynn and Brogan though

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 19/09/2016 10:07:58    1916059

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Our forwards need to improve massively. Aidan needs to stop shooting from silly positions. He was poor yesterday but he still distracted the Dubs defence and created space for others. Diarmuid O'Connor was poor by his standards. Evan Regan is a goal threat, should have been on earlier. Can't understand why they brought on Barry and didn't use his height advantage around the square. I'll be surprised if the same 15 start on Saturday week.

We were given no chance yesterday, Dublin were expected to blow us away. They underestimated the desire and intensity that we brought yesterday. Maybe they'll never be as poor again but we'll gain a lot of confidence from yesterday and have loads of room for improvement.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7376 - 19/09/2016 10:08:16    1916060

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Really can't see it being any other way but tight but replays can often take a life of their own. Both teams have room for improvement which has the most is debatable. Dublin were poor yesterday but that has to be attributed to Mayo who defensively were strong. A couple of big calls for Gavin, who does he start alongside Fenton, what is the make up of the half forward line as Flynn and this kills me to say is struggling and similarly the inside forward line could potentially see change with Bernard really not meriting a start on yesterday's performance. Mayo have a few things to look at, again Aidan O' Shea is still an enigma and where to position him is still difficult to know. Is lee keegan's game being restricted due to the man marking job he is doing on connolly? I think Dublin need to move the ball with more pace and possibly go with a target man inside, they played at a pedestrian speed at times yesterday with lateral hand passing and at times a lack of responsibility which is unlike them. This is the second final that the forward line hasn't produced so that really needs to be looked at. It was a really surreal feeling leaving yesterday to have led by 3 at the 70 minute and to feel absolutely 100% relieve to have got a draw. I hope Dublin can get over the line but would not be confident. Their younger players are leading by example and possibly it is a team that could be slightly on the downward curve. 6 years at the top is a long time so it would be great to see them going back to back but then again mayo have 65 years of pain to drive them on.

Adamski (Dublin) - Posts: 339 - 19/09/2016 10:09:24    1916062

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Replying To gotmilk:  "I actually think the Dubs improved after Mccarthy went off. Kilkenny going to the half back line really improved the dubs. His best performance came when he played in the half back line against Donegal and I think he should play there in the replay.

I've said it in another thread that Brogan wasn't having a good year and after yesterday a number seem to be agreeing with me."
It meant that Andrew came on alright and he'll start next day

But we badly missed McCarthy is the 2nd half and especially when the game was there to be won

His leadership, his positioning, his offensive side... he was hugely missed

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 19/09/2016 10:11:04    1916065

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Not sure what happened to Dillon but after scoring one of the points of the game, it must be worrying for Mayo fans to see him limp off like that soon after

Mayo don't have the forward options to be losing him from the bench

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 19/09/2016 10:14:03    1916068

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James McCarthy was a huge impact - as on came Paddy Andrews and brought the only bit of potency to the Dublin attack. I'd have been happier if McCarthy stayed on.

On key match ups,
Keegan vs. Connolly - I think it's established now that Keegan gets the better of him every time they meet.
Rochford vs. Gavin - hands down Rochford.
Midfield battle - Fenton has one strong hand on player of the year.

BlastCalyle (Mayo) - Posts: 206 - 19/09/2016 10:17:27    1916073

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Replying To Superglue:  "I'm not so sure about the 'Dublin won't play that bad again' reason for them winning the replay.
They played bad because they weren't let play.
Mayo won't score two own goals again and Seamus O'Shea won't give the ball away 4 times in a row etc
I'd be fierce bullish now if I was a Mayo player
Dublin do need to look at Flynn and Brogan though"
The thing is, the Dublin players will be just as bullish if not more. The will be embarrassed with that performance yesterday and they'll all want to prove themselves the next day out. Just like Mayo.

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 19/09/2016 10:17:44    1916074

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Mayo were in a perfect position going into the final

Dublin strong favs, Mayo not a hope blah blah blah

Would have acted as a huge motivation

They wont have that factor going for them now and for me they have absolutely shown their hand

We're playing Donegal not Mayo, except they play their MM in the forwards!

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 19/09/2016 10:19:39    1916075

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Yep! Sorry to say it but BB is having a poor year by his high standards.Flynn also not as dynamic in recent times.
Mayo played their part of course in what I would class as an all-round poor forwards display.
Weather didn't help them either and I'd be hoping for a dry day to give them more of a chance.
Dean Rock was below par too and I'm sure he knows it. Start Andrews and Dublin still have every chance. Will the ticket prices drop ?

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 19/09/2016 10:20:26    1916076

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Yep! Sorry to say it but BB is having a poor year by his high standards.Flynn also not as dynamic in recent times.
Mayo played their part of course in what I would class as an all-round poor forwards display.
Weather didn't help them either and I'd be hoping for a dry day to give them more of a chance.
Dean Rock was below par too and I'm sure he knows it. Start Andrews and Dublin still have every chance. Will the ticket prices drop ?"
They do for the hurling replays so you'd imagine they will this time around. Think stand tickets drop to €50.

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 19/09/2016 10:26:56    1916080

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Question for Dublin fans. If Connolly had scored a point from that sideline and we'd won, would you have been celebrating as wildly as you would if we'd hammered them or would your celebrations have been more muted based on the way we'd have won it?

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 19/09/2016 10:30:35    1916086

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Most of Dublin's experienced players let them down.But I would be shocked if they are not a different animal the next day.Andrews has to start and I would drop MDM.
As for Mayo,well Aidan O'Se needs a performance,but Mayo will have to improve the next day again,nto sure they can really.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 19/09/2016 10:39:40    1916091

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People saying that Brogan is being picked on reputation, Dean Rock is being picked because hes a free taker. If one of them is to be dropped, it has to be Rock and let Brogan take the frees, he can kick them off left or right and is a real goal threat.

I'd prefer if Mayo let Keegan play his football and put Boyle on Connolly.

Would Mayo supporters start Barry Moran instead of Seamus O'Shea, I thought he was shocking bad.

Joe_Bloggs (Tipperary) - Posts: 186 - 19/09/2016 10:41:02    1916094

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The Question is, will Mayo be 3/1 for the replay?

I fancy Mayo to go on and do it from here, Dublin will undoubtedly get better and they had some bad misses yesturday but to me it just looks like Mayo have it in them, was hugely impressed with their ability to come back and keep fighting after those freak goals. One thing Rochford will need to do though is work on AoS, he was well marshalled yesturday - they'll need to think of something else.

GetOverTheBar (Tyrone) - Posts: 1388 - 19/09/2016 10:41:04    1916095

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