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Surely Lee Brennan will be starting next year?
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 07/09/2016 12:05:29 1911208 Link 0 |
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I think the writing is on the wall for Mickey. Tyrone today remind me a bit of where they were in 2002. Good enough to negotiate Ulster but carrying too many of the wrong type of player to get over the line at All-Ireland level. They are weak enough in the forward line and for me only Donnelly and Harte look top class at the moment (apart from Cavanagh and the McMahons who are heading in the wrong direction). When Harte took over for 2003 he was able to make the necessary changes, now he seems to be unable to do so. Management is a ruthless business. Maybe some Tyrone posters could enlighten us but from what I remember the previous management got the shove unceremoniously to make way for Harte. History repeating perhaps? PolicemanFox (Monaghan) - Posts: 158 - 07/09/2016 12:07:33 1911210 Link 0 |
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reminds me a bit like s boylan with meath, winning all irelands, builds a new team to another all ireland, expectation rise in county, Tyrone before MH took over were not regular all ireland contenders. now county expect at least to be in last four. sometimes like meath you have to remember what you were like before, before you start thinking of changing. madbull (Westmeath) - Posts: 195 - 07/09/2016 12:28:39 1911220 Link 0 |
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should have been this year, can ping a free to.
redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 07/09/2016 12:38:05 1911227 Link 0 |
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The tyrone Co Board haven't removed him, they will wait till the end of 2017 to decide his fate..... he has rebuilt his team which won provincial ( Ulster), McKenna Cup, NFL Div 2 and the O'Fee Cup - 30 of the 32 counties would be extremely happy with that...... cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1676 - 07/09/2016 13:06:00 1911246 Link 0 |
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Not just talking about Harte's situation but I find the idea of these extensions strange for an amateur sport. If Niall Morgan went to Tyrones management team and said he was looking for confirmation that he would be No.1 in 2018 they would correctly tell him it depends on how he performs next year and if any other potential keeper emerges. Don't see why it should be much different for a manager. Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 07/09/2016 13:08:17 1911249 Link 0 |
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Folks, not sure if any of you are even aware of, or just see headlines and red mist or whatever descends. Yes M Harte is entitled to ask for an extension but he does not have an automatic rite to get everything that he requests. For years county boards have jumped to his demands to the detriment of the clubs in Tyrone. Does he give players the same courtesy when leaving them warming benches for months and then drops their arse as soon as the big boys come back. Does he give them the option of staying on for another year to see if they can make it { does he jack } And on the subject of county boards, the county board is made up of 1 delegate from each club within the county who have the power to agree or disagree to his or anyone else's requests. ◾An Coiste Bainistí the county management committee are a different group. The county board did not agree to a further extension so regardless if the Cathaoirleach is a woman or man, it was the county board made up of club delegates who denied him an extension which doesn't sit well with some peoples agenda who didn't want her in the job to start with and think MH should have a job for life as manager. As a previous poster has already said, they may have won div2 and Ulster against a Donegal side not firing on all cylinders. This apart they seem to have hit a wall in regards real progress yes PD coming in has got them back up to speed, but the lack of a proper consistent free taker is hampering this team and MHs reluctance to take of a few of his pets regardless how they play and keep bringing back older players without blooding new talent. Maybe if he took the blinkers off he may find a couple of gems. Look how Brian Cody isn't afraid to drop household names and bring in lesser named players even for an AI final. bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 07/09/2016 14:28:42 1911318 Link 2 |
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I think all reigns come to an end, and perhaps Tyrone need a new face on the sideline from 2017. Mickie Harte has been a successful manager who brought a new team Tyrone, to the top winning 3 All Ireland's on the way. thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1745 - 07/09/2016 15:05:37 1911343 Link 0 |
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Yeah he could move a few mile to the north west and take over us. I'd bloody love Harte in Donegal . I agree with you . Harte would be well suited to a county that have not been that successful of late . Micko was ahead of his time and worked wonders in Kildare and Laois. TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 07/09/2016 15:16:33 1911351 Link 0 |
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Probably worth noting that just because he didn't get an extension at this juncture doesn't mean when next years season is over that he wont get another contract. He got his current two year deal by a unanimous vote don't forget with maybe one voting against - Sean Daley of Eglish - legend. So media maybe getting carried away, the board have a right to review his performance after the two years is up, not after one year of a two year contract. cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 07/09/2016 15:45:44 1911370 Link 0 |
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Micky is up to no good here. bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 07/09/2016 15:45:48 1911371 Link 1 |
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Mickey Harte is a great manager and has had a very good season but there is no real need for the Co Board at this point to change the current agreement and offer him an extension to 2018. Minimum targets for 2017 such as staying in Division 1 and winning Ulster again will probably need to be met for Mickey to continue. Agree with the posters who say Lee Brennan needs to start. He is a very good player who needs to be given game time now. Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 07/09/2016 16:08:47 1911387 Link 0 |
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It was me who asked about him. He was at school with my wee brother and played in a hogan final as a 15 year old. I worked with a fella who is from Trillick and he speaks VERY highly about him. Although I did go to see Scottstown and Trillick in this years Ulster championship and I have to say he didn't blow me away.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 07/09/2016 16:25:27 1911398 Link 0 |
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Micky needs two scoring forwards and then he will get an All Ireland and a 5 year extension. At the minute they are boxing above their weight... due to Harte's expertise. kikfada (Louth) - Posts: 2091 - 07/09/2016 16:34:36 1911401 Link 0 |
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Just because a guy played well in an underage competition means little when you go into adult football. Tyrone lost the match due to a free taker and also due mainly to some of the younger players showing in-experience and missing scores and the chance to generate a score. My question is; is there any forward on the present team who would have got his place on the teams that won the AI's- I would think not and they way Cavanagh played against Mayo he would not have got his place either. I think that Harte is one of the best in the game and in my opinion to lose him certainly would not help the Tyrone cause. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 07/09/2016 16:43:50 1911408 Link 0 |
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This is very strange, I would have thought Mickey would have got 2 more years. He obviously feels it might take 2 years to deliver an All-Ireland which is fair enough. Tyrone have made progress since last year, they are Ulster champions and were narrowly beat by Mayo. Fair enough they need a more dynamic attacking game (like Donegal do) if they are to threaten an All-Ireland but he has them moving in the right direction. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 07/09/2016 17:08:54 1911424 Link 0 |
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Quite a first post - care to share if you have a direct vested interest in the matter ? I would imagine the vast majority of non Tyrone supporters would agree when I say it would be fantastic if Tyrone do not extend his contract ! bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 07/09/2016 17:28:23 1911432 Link 0 |
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I would disagree with the 50/50 statement. I would say a large majority of Tyrone supporters would want Mickey to stay on. He has started a new team would has made it to the semis and won an Ulster for the first time in 6 years and hopefully broken the Donegal stranglehold. It was a very brave decision to introduce so many u21's in 2015. It shows the players are capable and Mickey feels this team can be very successful. I don't feel there are any managers within the county who could deliver an all Ireland. County is a massive step up from club management. I feel the likes of Canavan,Dooher and Logan should stay with the minors/u21's and eventually take over senior with a smooth transition. I feel the CB has brought a lot of uncertainty to Tyrone. Something that made Tyrone so successful over the years was the relationship between Manangement,Players and CB, that was never any issues publicly. I'm sure there were situations where there was disagreements but it wasn't sorted out behind the scenes. The Peter Donnelly issue last year, I feel, wouldn't of happened with the previous CB. I feel Mickey is the man to take this Tyrone team to the next level. I hope the CB see sense. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 07/09/2016 17:30:56 1911433 Link 0 |
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I would disagree with the 50/50 statement. I would say a large majority of Tyrone supporters would want Mickey to stay on. He has started a new team would has made it to the semis and won an Ulster for the first time in 6 years and hopefully broken the Donegal stranglehold. It was a very brave decision to introduce so many u21's in 2015. It shows the players are capable and Mickey feels this team can be very successful. I don't feel there are any managers within the county who could deliver an all Ireland. County is a massive step up from club management. I feel the likes of Canavan,Dooher and Logan should stay with the minors/u21's and eventually take over senior with a smooth transition. I feel the CB has brought a lot of uncertainty to Tyrone. Something that made Tyrone so successful over the years was the relationship between Manangement,Players and CB, that was never any issues publicly. I'm sure there were situations where there was disagreements but it wasn't sorted out behind the scenes. The Peter Donnelly issue last year, I feel, wouldn't of happened with the previous CB. I feel Mickey is the man to take this Tyrone team to the next level. I hope the CB see sense. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 07/09/2016 17:30:56 1911434 Link 0 |
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Sorry Sam but before all that I think you have to look directly at the management failings of the quarter final! I think the man has all he needs to manage this team to an All Ireland but he was very rigid in that quarter final, it was almost as though there was no plan B and plan A failed after about 10 minutes. Ronan O Neill and Conor McAliskey are 2 very impressive forwards, talent in bundles and a devastating partnership on their day but if they don't get firing early on in a match they tend to be unable to hit snow off a rope, I like to call it the Mike Frank Russell phenomenon. That's before you get into the bare facts that Tyrone men aren't huge for the most part and the defensive style of play as it was against Donegal and Mayo doesn't play to their strengths, the strengths that led the men of the noughties to their titles. Is it obvious to anyone else that Tyrone can't wait to attack? They must get the ball and break as fast as they can toward the opponents net and they must do it in numbers, finally and most importantly they must trust they can execute when they get there and be clinical in gaining scores, Tyrone forwards seem to do well with time and space, if they break up the field with their speed (they're at least number 2 in the country) there will be gaps in the defense. In the Mayo game there were far to many timid counters and Mayo were set defending by the time Tyrone were shooting, if we're dropping men out of attack to protect the goal but the other team are freely scoring points then it's not an effective system and we'd be better off trying to match them point for point, i'd have to imagine Mayo and most teams will be aware that goals will be rare when playing the system so maybe they decided they weren't even interested in goal scoring which I find is confirmed by Andy Moran taking a point off the Aiden O Shea's high catch , he was free as a bird Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 07/09/2016 18:28:22 1911469 Link 0 |