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Replying To Administrator: "This was posted as a new thread but as the subject matter is similar it has been incorporated here. Liamwalkinstown Posts: 7000 Dublin HS Posters upset at the Ref - Not from Kerry! One thing really making me smile in the last few days is the amt of sour heads on here that the Dubs won Sunday and how many of them are blaming the ref... 99% of them are NOT from Kerry Cavan, Mayo (cavanman, liner etc) None or very few from Kerry tho......." Liam, you questioned me on this already directly and I answered you. I have no gripe with the fact that Dublin won the game. Can we just be factual and argue the points made rather than make these unfounded assumptions? cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 30/08/2016 16:49:18 1908224 Link
Not one Meath man would make out minor team let alone the senior team. chicago09 (Kerry) - Posts: 694 - 30/08/2016 16:50:25 1908227 Link
Replying To cavanman47: " Replying To Administrator: "This was posted as a new thread but as the subject matter is similar it has been incorporated here. Liamwalkinstown Posts: 7000 Dublin HS Posters upset at the Ref - Not from Kerry! One thing really making me smile in the last few days is the amt of sour heads on here that the Dubs won Sunday and how many of them are blaming the ref... 99% of them are NOT from Kerry Cavan, Mayo (cavanman, liner etc) None or very few from Kerry tho......." Liam, you questioned me on this already directly and I answered you. I have no gripe with the fact that Dublin won the game. Can we just be factual and argue the points made rather than make these unfounded assumptions?" Cavanman, I dont believe you! I have perused most match threads at this stage and on nearly all of them your bitching and moaning saying Dublin get this, Dublin get that, Dubs are this, Dubs are that. It so obvious due to the fact your not from the county directly affected by your so called bias, and I put it to you that if the game went exactly the same way, but the teams/decisions were reversed, you wouldnt have a problem in the world with what when on. Dont worry tho, your not alone! There's many more like u! Just its noticable that the vast majority of them are NOT from Kerry! Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 30/08/2016 17:38:38 1908260 Link
Replying To bennybunny: "Yes is the answer to your question. I have reffed loads of games myself. I have reffed games involving my own club (challenge games and underage games) and never went out to screw the opposition over. Referees are humans. You are right. They make mistakes- of course they do. I like to trust that they are honest mistakes and the referee does not intentionally go out of his way to do a team out of it. Therefore, logically speaking it is an irrelevance where he is from. If he is a dishonest person, this is more relevant than where he is from also. A different issue. In terms of David Gough's performance yesterday, he was actually excellent. He got one or two calls wrong - would you have gotten every call right? Are you as fit as him? are you able to keep up with the play at that speed and make those decisions in a split second without the view of a TV camera? If you are, then no doubt you'll be reffing intercounty games soon as well - maybe they'll even put you forward for the final (Dublin v Mayo). Hopefully, after all your training etc nobody will hurl objects at you or accuse you of bias." As your county is Cork I'm going to presume you referee in Cork as well, please correct me if I'm wrong. If your club is in the senior county championship, why wouldn't the Cork County Board simply ask you to referee their games? It is because the GAA want to not only be impartial but also appear to be impartial. Also are you actually comparing lack of referees available for underage games and challenge matches to the All-Ireland Championship? There is hardly a shortage of willing referees that would take up the All-Ireland semi final compared to under 10s club games in Mallow. Gough is from Meath, he lives and works in Dublin therefore he should be allowed to referee any pairing of all the other counties. He would have been free to referee Tipperary v Mayo semi final. This way the GAA is not opening themselves to accusations of bias and neither can the referee. This actually protects the referee. I never said that the referee was dishonest, I said subconsciously decisions 50/50 are more likely to go the way of the area you can connected with. Subconscious is not intending to deceive. Also, you honestly believe that my view is automatically not valid as I'm not a referee. That's a lazy excuse and you know it. If someone is singing and they can't sing or continously miss notes, then you aren't allowed to comment on that as you dont have a music recording contract. You are entitled to your opinion as am I. CletusVanDamme (Kerry) - Posts: 63 - 30/08/2016 17:38:42 1908261 Link
Some lads here need to stop sniping at each other. Mocking Meath doesn't have anything to do with this thread, and more importantly, mocking other counties is petty. Come on lads. CletusVanDamme (Kerry) - Posts: 63 - 30/08/2016 17:44:46 1908265 Link
Replying To CletusVanDamme: "Some lads here need to stop sniping at each other. Mocking Meath doesn't have anything to do with this thread, and more importantly, mocking other counties is petty. Come on lads." Agree 100% however Royal puts the boot into Kerry at any opportunity, I don't normally get involved in slagging matches but it's a bit rich having a meath man insulting Kerry. westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 30/08/2016 18:07:44 1908284 Link
'Objects thrown at referee David Gough' The GAA can stop this from ever happening again if they make an example. They should fine the Kerry county board heavily, something in the region of 500,000 Euro and suspend any ticket sales to Kerry for their next Championship match in Croke Park. Do that and you'll never see anything thrown at a referee again. JamesH (Mayo) - Posts: 465 - 30/08/2016 19:42:08 1908330 Link
Replying To CletusVanDamme: "As your county is Cork I'm going to presume you referee in Cork as well, please correct me if I'm wrong. If your club is in the senior county championship, why wouldn't the Cork County Board simply ask you to referee their games? It is because the GAA want to not only be impartial but also appear to be impartial. Also are you actually comparing lack of referees available for underage games and challenge matches to the All-Ireland Championship? There is hardly a shortage of willing referees that would take up the All-Ireland semi final compared to under 10s club games in Mallow. Gough is from Meath, he lives and works in Dublin therefore he should be allowed to referee any pairing of all the other counties. He would have been free to referee Tipperary v Mayo semi final. This way the GAA is not opening themselves to accusations of bias and neither can the referee. This actually protects the referee. I never said that the referee was dishonest, I said subconsciously decisions 50/50 are more likely to go the way of the area you can connected with. Subconscious is not intending to deceive. Also, you honestly believe that my view is automatically not valid as I'm not a referee. That's a lazy excuse and you know it. If someone is singing and they can't sing or continously miss notes, then you aren't allowed to comment on that as you dont have a music recording contract. You are entitled to your opinion as am I." Agree, optics mean a lot and so does the sub-concious. The optics of having a St. Jude's Club member and a teacher in St. Pious' in Templeogue refereeing a Dublin Inertcounty Chamionship match is questionable, Yes the man was born & reared in Meath but is now living and working in Dublin so should not have been considered for Sunday's game. As is natural he got a few calls wrong but no more so than any other referee would have done (and much fewer than most) but in a very tight game these decisions are forensically dissected and naturally in some supporters eyes an element of bias will be alleged due to the aforementioned domiciliary arrangements of the man. Thus what should not have been an issue suddenly becomes an issue. Any referee appointed for a championship match should have no close link with either county involved either through domicile, work or club memberrship. dingle2 (Kerry) - Posts: 278 - 30/08/2016 19:58:52 1908336 Link
Replying To JamesH: "'Objects thrown at referee David Gough' The GAA can stop this from ever happening again if they make an example. They should fine the Kerry county board heavily, something in the region of 500,000 Euro and suspend any ticket sales to Kerry for their next Championship match in Croke Park. Do that and you'll never see anything thrown at a referee again." Would the same apply to the big fella who ran into the field in Limerick? westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 30/08/2016 20:17:57 1908345 Link
Replying To JamesH: "'Objects thrown at referee David Gough' The GAA can stop this from ever happening again if they make an example. They should fine the Kerry county board heavily, something in the region of 500,000 Euro and suspend any ticket sales to Kerry for their next Championship match in Croke Park. Do that and you'll never see anything thrown at a referee again." He without sin cast the first stone. Case and point, Mayo "fans" during and after the replay in 14 in Limerick. All counties unfortunately have the same few idiots that tarnish the reputation of all fans. Your proposed punishment is disproportionate to the event. 500,000 is fairly large for premier league teams nevermind amateur sports. It would bankrupt some counties. Why ban them from Croke Park only? How do you police that? The tickets go on general sale for most games. I believe that a fine is fair but not excessive, ban the offenders, not the county as a whole. CletusVanDamme (Kerry) - Posts: 63 - 30/08/2016 20:42:09 1908360 Link
Someone that throws an object at a referee should get a lifetime ban - its as simple as that. Doesnt matter where hes from or who he is - get rid of him/her. This is not Millwall or West Ham. The fact we can mix at matches separates us from footie cross-channel. David Gough does not deserve things to be thrown at him. I am sure most will agree. TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 30/08/2016 21:02:10 1908371 Link
Lads stop saying gough is a member of St Judes. Its simply not true. He is not and never has. Its a lie being peddled by outsiders to make a false point to suit their bullshit theories Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 30/08/2016 21:16:15 1908383 Link
Kerry should be made play their opening Munster Championship match wearing their football boots on the wrong feet... They'll still hammer the pick of Munster but at least they might get a few blisters! jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 30/08/2016 21:31:25 1908395 Link
I'll miss the culchie conspiracy theories haha jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 30/08/2016 21:37:19 1908398 Link
Replying To CletusVanDamme: "As your county is Cork I'm going to presume you referee in Cork as well, please correct me if I'm wrong. If your club is in the senior county championship, why wouldn't the Cork County Board simply ask you to referee their games? It is because the GAA want to not only be impartial but also appear to be impartial. Also are you actually comparing lack of referees available for underage games and challenge matches to the All-Ireland Championship? There is hardly a shortage of willing referees that would take up the All-Ireland semi final compared to under 10s club games in Mallow. Gough is from Meath, he lives and works in Dublin therefore he should be allowed to referee any pairing of all the other counties. He would have been free to referee Tipperary v Mayo semi final. This way the GAA is not opening themselves to accusations of bias and neither can the referee. This actually protects the referee. I never said that the referee was dishonest, I said subconsciously decisions 50/50 are more likely to go the way of the area you can connected with. Subconscious is not intending to deceive. Also, you honestly believe that my view is automatically not valid as I'm not a referee. That's a lazy excuse and you know it. If someone is singing and they can't sing or continously miss notes, then you aren't allowed to comment on that as you dont have a music recording contract. You are entitled to your opinion as am I." I said I have refereed - not that I am a referee. You probably are a better referee than I am. The point I was making (and which you agree with it seems) is that referees go out with honest intentions regardless of where they are from. Of course you are entitled to your opinion. I simply disagree with equating a few errors (which he certainly made and which are very easy for any of us to point out in hindsight) to having a bad game. bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 30/08/2016 22:03:28 1908409 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "How was this comment allowed? Honestly suggesting even if jokingly, to throw objects at a official? Hs is at a very low ebb if this is what is now considered appropriate." Disgrace what happened to gough but your own county board allow more attacks on refs and when players and officials appeall get off .give you prime example a hurler kicked a ref got off how ? A member of hearings committee abuses refs on and off the field but gets off .so please sort your own house in order before coming on here . Though gough is a top lad and ref Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 31/08/2016 00:04:37 1908461 Link
Again Just to reiterate, to all the clowns here spewing lies to suit their arguments David Gough, is not never has been and never will be a member of St Judes GAA club Its utter BS and its a disgrace that its allowed to be posted when it is scurrilous and said only to taint a good man and call into question his merits GET IT?! Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 31/08/2016 10:34:14 1908551 Link
Replying To Liamwalkinstown: "Again Just to reiterate, to all the clowns here spewing lies to suit their arguments David Gough, is not never has been and never will be a member of St Judes GAA club Its utter BS and its a disgrace that its allowed to be posted when it is scurrilous and said only to taint a good man and call into question his merits GET IT?!" You won. Most people accept that was a fair result. Let the authorities deal with those who didn't. plike (Kerry) - Posts: 569 - 31/08/2016 10:44:31 1908556 Link
Replying To CletusVanDamme: "Some lads here need to stop sniping at each other. Mocking Meath doesn't have anything to do with this thread, and more importantly, mocking other counties is petty. Come on lads." True. Sorry for giving the Meath lads a bit of a rough time. You should never mock the afflicted (or challenge the affected )! plike (Kerry) - Posts: 569 - 31/08/2016 10:46:37 1908558 Link
Replying To TheRightStuff: "Someone that throws an object at a referee should get a lifetime ban - its as simple as that. Doesnt matter where hes from or who he is - get rid of him/her. This is not Millwall or West Ham. The fact we can mix at matches separates us from footie cross-channel. David Gough does not deserve things to be thrown at him. I am sure most will agree." Is it only soccer in England and Scotland that sees segregation enforced then? The Italians, Russians, Argentinians, Turks etc etc never caught the disease? If someone was caught on CCTV at West Ham or Millwall (two clubs I have no time for having been on the receiving end by the way) chucking something at the ref, they'd be banned for as long as the club could get away with it. They may also find themselves on a list of people required to surrender their passport when internationals are played. There's no way it'd be brushed under the carpet. I suspect that might be the approach of the authorities regards Sunday's incident, though. MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 31/08/2016 11:06:07 1908577 Link