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Dublin will not win the All Ireland

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But there is hard work being down all over the country, it is extremely disrespectful to suggest otherwise.

You are living in a fairytale if you think having an enormous playing pool and financial resources relative to its competitors doesn't affect the GAA landscape. Other counties can't afford anywhere near the same level of coaching and facilities to young lads which is why you will lose lads earlier. (Not to mention factors such as emigration)

It's not Dublin's fault they received such huge funding over the last decade but please don't pull the wool over people's eyes

KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 26/08/2016 12:09:48    1906284

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I don't agree that Dublin haven't had great rivals. Donegal, Kerry and Mayo were 3 top teams during Dublin's successes and ran them close in the season's Dublin won."
But Kerry are a long way short of what they were in the 00s. There is no team right now, including Dublin, as good as Tyrone or Kerry of the 00s. Those 2 had a real rivalry.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 26/08/2016 15:58:22    1906396

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I disagree, both of those teams were within reach of the rest, whereas Dublin at the moment are untouchable

Dublin have no weaknesses whatsoever, Kerry and Tyrone had areas to exploit by any stretch not to mention overall depth of talent

I do agree they wouldn't have it as easy and predictable if Kerry + Tyrone were as strong now, but that is a moot point

KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 26/08/2016 17:24:37    1906445

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Replying To KYTitletown:  "I disagree, both of those teams were within reach of the rest, whereas Dublin at the moment are untouchable

Dublin have no weaknesses whatsoever, Kerry and Tyrone had areas to exploit by any stretch not to mention overall depth of talent

I do agree they wouldn't have it as easy and predictable if Kerry + Tyrone were as strong now, but that is a moot point"
Dublin have no weakness? We're missing two all-star backs, have a relative rookie (Fenton) playing in midfield with another (Byrne) at FB. We have a wing forward (Flynn) struggling to regain his form of the past two years coupled with another (Dermo) who is struggling, for one reason or another, to stay on the pitch for 70 mins. We are weaker than before in key areas all over the pitch. The question is can any team exploit those weaknesses? Kerry and Mayo are probably the best equipped teams to do it.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 26/08/2016 17:33:26    1906446

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Derry were the best team of the 1990s especially from 1992-95

Ulidian (Derry) - Posts: 12 - 26/08/2016 17:46:12    1906451

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So Byrne and Small are just random guys with no talent plucked in from nowhere are they?

Fenton is the best midfielder in Ireland and was the best player on the pitch in last year's final. Funny how Dublin people last year said they had a poor midfield, I suspect the same red herrings are being thrown out about the FB Line

Connolly is playing brilliant football and the only forward I rate on a par with him is McManus (and it's hard to tell exactly between them (as they have different roles in their teams)

Flynn mightn't be at his absolute best but he isn't a liability or even close to it plus it doesn't matter because Dublin have 6 top-class forwards and that's without even including Mannion and O'Gara.

Those problems are very much first-world problems, do you want me to list all the serious (not minor) issues in the Kerry team because believe it will be a very long post.

The fact that everybody in Ireland is going for a comfortable Dublin win even without likes of Jack McC and ROC proves my point that Dublin are untouchable at present. Kerry or Tyrone never had the luxury of missing 2 top quality players like that and still totally dominate opposition

KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 26/08/2016 18:08:48    1906459

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Replying To Joxer:  "GOT you seem to be overlooking the biggest factor influencing Dublin's success, massive work done by volunteers at underage level in every club to drill kids the right way. Hours upon hours of free time devoted to the development of the games in parishes all over Dublin It has been delivering over the past few years but has to be sustained. You can't just buy a Ciaran Kilkenny or a Paul Mannion with your funding. You have to develop them with volunteers."
I can't see Dublin going away anytime soon as success breeds success. Dublin was a sleeping giant for a number of years until the GAA copped on and upped the funding. The numbers were always there, it was just a matter of getting the kids interested. The more Dublin win and the more high profile the players, the more kids will want to play. Of course you need the volunteers, as you do in every county, but you also need the raw material. In my local club a typical under 16 team will be made up of five sixteen year olds, five fifteen year olds and a scattering of thirteen and fourteen year olds to make up the numbers. Half of those will have little interest in football and you'll be lucky to have two playing into adulthood. With young lads leaving in droves, either for the bigger cities or beyond, it's getting more difficult every year to field teams. It seems our Governments are following the German model (and I don't mean Claudia Schiffer) and directing all jobs to the major cities, which will impact further on rural counties down the line. Dublin, with the work they are doing will be competitive every year, while other counties challenges will be cyclical. We are blessed to have a brilliant group of players in Mayo at the minute but it could be ten or more years before we have players of the same calibre again. The same with Donegal and Monaghan who have had great teams over the last few years. Tyrone, although they seem to be building again, had a fallow period of a number of years after their last brilliant team. It is difficult, with a limited population, to produce a constant stream of good players in order to be competitive. Kerry are a freak of nature but they too can have years when their teams are merely very good instead of brilliant. Dublin have tapped into their vast population and good luck to them, a lot of work has been put into bringing them to the level they are at and they are not going away any time soon. The likes of Cork are a big disappointment with a population of half a million and they should be asking themselves why Roscommon with a tenth of the population are in Division One and they are not. Mayo for all the abuse they get are punching above their weight as they rank 17th in the list regarding population, one place above Louth. If you can't beat them join them so I think I'll adopt the Dubs as my second team. Come on ye boys in................

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 26/08/2016 21:21:27    1906494

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"Dublin won't win the All Ireland" = "True" or "Tá"

dingle2 (Kerry) - Posts: 278 - 26/08/2016 21:57:26    1906510

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Clearly no ones heard of Con O' Callaghan, don't worry lads we have this. Fenton, Jack, Kilkenny will be delighted to read thread, they struggle not to get into Coppers, the vast majority of the Dublin panel are on the right side of 30, those over are just gone. Bernard will go as long if not longer then Alan, Cluxton could play for another 5 years easy, Bastics last year that's about all I'm afraid.

It's actually scary how young and how many medals this team have.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 26/08/2016 22:18:58    1906525

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Replying To KYTitletown:  "So Byrne and Small are just random guys with no talent plucked in from nowhere are they?

Fenton is the best midfielder in Ireland and was the best player on the pitch in last year's final. Funny how Dublin people last year said they had a poor midfield, I suspect the same red herrings are being thrown out about the FB Line

Connolly is playing brilliant football and the only forward I rate on a par with him is McManus (and it's hard to tell exactly between them (as they have different roles in their teams)

Flynn mightn't be at his absolute best but he isn't a liability or even close to it plus it doesn't matter because Dublin have 6 top-class forwards and that's without even including Mannion and O'Gara.

Those problems are very much first-world problems, do you want me to list all the serious (not minor) issues in the Kerry team because believe it will be a very long post.

The fact that everybody in Ireland is going for a comfortable Dublin win even without likes of Jack McC and ROC proves my point that Dublin are untouchable at present. Kerry or Tyrone never had the luxury of missing 2 top quality players like that and still totally dominate opposition"
Small, Byrne and Fenton have only been playing senior IC for a year. You forget that Byrne and Small are replacing all-stars and two backs that are arguably the best in the country in their positions. They are nowhere near as experienced as the Griffin's, Youngs, Crowleys and O'Ses of this world. Yes Fenton had a very good debut season at this level last year but he too is vastly inexperienced compared to his opposite numbers Donaghy and Sheehan. Flynn has been poor this year and Connolly has been patchy. To say that a team which should have gone out in the drawn semi last year has no weaknesses is just cute hoorism. Every team has their weaknesses.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 26/08/2016 23:42:43    1906551

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "I can't see Dublin going away anytime soon as success breeds success. Dublin was a sleeping giant for a number of years until the GAA copped on and upped the funding. The numbers were always there, it was just a matter of getting the kids interested. The more Dublin win and the more high profile the players, the more kids will want to play. Of course you need the volunteers, as you do in every county, but you also need the raw material. In my local club a typical under 16 team will be made up of five sixteen year olds, five fifteen year olds and a scattering of thirteen and fourteen year olds to make up the numbers. Half of those will have little interest in football and you'll be lucky to have two playing into adulthood. With young lads leaving in droves, either for the bigger cities or beyond, it's getting more difficult every year to field teams. It seems our Governments are following the German model (and I don't mean Claudia Schiffer) and directing all jobs to the major cities, which will impact further on rural counties down the line. Dublin, with the work they are doing will be competitive every year, while other counties challenges will be cyclical. We are blessed to have a brilliant group of players in Mayo at the minute but it could be ten or more years before we have players of the same calibre again. The same with Donegal and Monaghan who have had great teams over the last few years. Tyrone, although they seem to be building again, had a fallow period of a number of years after their last brilliant team. It is difficult, with a limited population, to produce a constant stream of good players in order to be competitive. Kerry are a freak of nature but they too can have years when their teams are merely very good instead of brilliant. Dublin have tapped into their vast population and good luck to them, a lot of work has been put into bringing them to the level they are at and they are not going away any time soon. The likes of Cork are a big disappointment with a population of half a million and they should be asking themselves why Roscommon with a tenth of the population are in Division One and they are not. Mayo for all the abuse they get are punching above their weight as they rank 17th in the list regarding population, one place above Louth. If you can't beat them join them so I think I'll adopt the Dubs as my second team. Come on ye boys in................"
mmmmm Claudia Schiffer

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8596 - 27/08/2016 02:03:17    1906574

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Last January it was evident Dublin would win Sam again in 2016. Mayo have shown they won't do it so the semifinal will be the final and while Kerry will show they are just as good as footballers , they will not have that intensity for 75 minutes . Once again! Unless they have learned that lesson. A lot will depend on their subs...I hope I'm wrong but I can't change my January forecast.......in either case it will be a great game which is long overdue !!!!

michael (Cork) - Posts: 381 - 27/08/2016 07:29:33    1906582

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Replying To michael:  "Last January it was evident Dublin would win Sam again in 2016. Mayo have shown they won't do it so the semifinal will be the final and while Kerry will show they are just as good as footballers , they will not have that intensity for 75 minutes . Once again! Unless they have learned that lesson. A lot will depend on their subs...I hope I'm wrong but I can't change my January forecast.......in either case it will be a great game which is long overdue !!!!"
Semi-final won't be the final, the final will. How many times have Mayo played out of their skins when they are big underdogs? You cannot write them off just like that because they played crap against a decent Tipp team ,Tipp are actually far better than Galway or any team they have met bar ourselves, I'd put them above Fermanagh too. I know so many people up this direction who thought we would sail by them, some saying by seven or eight points based on their form.I'm not going on form anymore with this Mayo team ,wildly unpredictable team.

We might have struggled a bit against Tipp ourselves if we got by Mayo ,they are a very decent outfit just don't have the footballing name like Donegal or Galway who they are on par with. .but I'd have no doubt Dublin would prob destroy Tipp in a final,i don't think that is true with Mayo because they are well capable when they do get a bit of rhythm to bring down the best of defences.It just depends on the day if they show up and if they do you can expect a real final,be it Dublin or Kerry.

GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 27/08/2016 10:44:33    1906607

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Replying To Joxer:  "Small, Byrne and Fenton have only been playing senior IC for a year. You forget that Byrne and Small are replacing all-stars and two backs that are arguably the best in the country in their positions. They are nowhere near as experienced as the Griffin's, Youngs, Crowleys and O'Ses of this world. Yes Fenton had a very good debut season at this level last year but he too is vastly inexperienced compared to his opposite numbers Donaghy and Sheehan. Flynn has been poor this year and Connolly has been patchy. To say that a team which should have gone out in the drawn semi last year has no weaknesses is just cute hoorism. Every team has their weaknesses."
How many Championship starts does Griffin have? Six

And none in the pressure of a hostile 82,000 crowd like tomorrow, not to mention calibre of opposition

O'Se and Young have loads of miles on the clock, you would love to see them playing as you know they would get skinned repeatedly

Ditto: Fenton and our midfielders , I think Fenton in terms of importance to Dublin is in the Top 3 (Behind Cluxton + COS) he is a special player who has it all in terms of you want from a midfielder. I would have played someone specifically to man-mark him and let David Moran play his own game and not worry about Fenton. Donaghy & Sheehan don't have anywhere the mobility or energy to stop Fenton wreaking havoc.

O'Beaglaoich and Morley have 1 combined League appearance and only played Champ vs Clare and Tipp, Dublin's 'issues' are absolutely minute and first-world in relation to ours.

I didn't even get on the HF LIne, but as we know there are more problems there

KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 27/08/2016 10:51:04    1906609

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Replying To KYTitletown:  "How many Championship starts does Griffin have? Six

And none in the pressure of a hostile 82,000 crowd like tomorrow, not to mention calibre of opposition

O'Se and Young have loads of miles on the clock, you would love to see them playing as you know they would get skinned repeatedly

Ditto: Fenton and our midfielders , I think Fenton in terms of importance to Dublin is in the Top 3 (Behind Cluxton + COS) he is a special player who has it all in terms of you want from a midfielder. I would have played someone specifically to man-mark him and let David Moran play his own game and not worry about Fenton. Donaghy & Sheehan don't have anywhere the mobility or energy to stop Fenton wreaking havoc.

O'Beaglaoich and Morley have 1 combined League appearance and only played Champ vs Clare and Tipp, Dublin's 'issues' are absolutely minute and first-world in relation to ours.

I didn't even get on the HF LIne, but as we know there are more problems there"
Well it's youth for experience isn't it. Kerry will pull men back to stamp out any pores in midfield. This will also protect any perceived old legs in Kerry's HB line. Our FB line has not been tested this year which is amazing when you consider that it is missing one of the best full backs in the country. I expect Kerry to test that weakness at some stage and to try and exploit Small's inexperience at this level down the wing. If Kerry go out with the attitude that Dublin have no weaknesses then they are beaten before they leave the dressing room.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 27/08/2016 11:24:15    1906616

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If we pull back all the men as you say, then how are we going to score? COS will own the game AGAIN

Thats exactly what we did in the League Final and the FF Line were totally isolated, they actually played really well even though we only scored 13 points. And it wasn't was if that stopped Dublin scoring either, 2-18 in what was far from a perfect display.

If we play as you say (and there's no reason to think you are wrong) then the Dublin FB Line won't be tested anyway. The way I see it is Dublin are going to score a lot no matter what way you set up, that's why I'd rather play more lads with speed and mobility to try and help the FF Line try and exploit the Dublin FB Line and hope to score 2/3 more goals than Dublin will, as that is what will be required not going to outpoint them

Easier said than done of course, but when you are playing a superior team you have to be brave and take risks. It just feels to me more of the same sadly. Our bench is actually fairly strong but that is no good if we are 8 or 9 points down after 45-50 minutes

KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 27/08/2016 11:44:49    1906620

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A strong Dublin = a rich GAA. QED.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 27/08/2016 12:07:26    1906627

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Teams win All Irelands and the media usually criticizes and tries to demeans those teams acheivements eg Meath 80, 90s Tyrone in the noughities. While Dublin are hyped beyond belief. McMenanmin on sunday had full frontal charge on Kerry player and RTE commentator couldn't praise him high enough. Dublin played like a team that won the All Ireland last year. They are not as good as last year. The referee gave every decision going in the last few minutes to Dublin. While they found it very hard worrk to beat alright Kerry team compared to the Kerry teams of 80s and noughties, a Kerry team in transition. .Dublin have won 1 double in 93 years (76,77) and 2 in 100 years ( 1976,77 and 1921,22,23). They are not Kerry , they are not Kilkenny. I saw nothing on Sunday to convince me that Dublin will Sam this year. This overhyped team will not win the All Ireland this year.

Tonny1975 (Mayo) - Posts: 114 - 30/08/2016 21:49:23    1908402

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Replying To Tonny1975:  "Teams win All Irelands and the media usually criticizes and tries to demeans those teams acheivements eg Meath 80, 90s Tyrone in the noughities. While Dublin are hyped beyond belief. McMenanmin on sunday had full frontal charge on Kerry player and RTE commentator couldn't praise him high enough. Dublin played like a team that won the All Ireland last year. They are not as good as last year. The referee gave every decision going in the last few minutes to Dublin. While they found it very hard worrk to beat alright Kerry team compared to the Kerry teams of 80s and noughties, a Kerry team in transition. .Dublin have won 1 double in 93 years (76,77) and 2 in 100 years ( 1976,77 and 1921,22,23). They are not Kerry , they are not Kilkenny. I saw nothing on Sunday to convince me that Dublin will Sam this year. This overhyped team will not win the All Ireland this year."
lol

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 30/08/2016 21:56:34    1908406

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Replying To Tonny1975:  "Teams win All Irelands and the media usually criticizes and tries to demeans those teams acheivements eg Meath 80, 90s Tyrone in the noughities. While Dublin are hyped beyond belief. McMenanmin on sunday had full frontal charge on Kerry player and RTE commentator couldn't praise him high enough. Dublin played like a team that won the All Ireland last year. They are not as good as last year. The referee gave every decision going in the last few minutes to Dublin. While they found it very hard worrk to beat alright Kerry team compared to the Kerry teams of 80s and noughties, a Kerry team in transition. .Dublin have won 1 double in 93 years (76,77) and 2 in 100 years ( 1976,77 and 1921,22,23). They are not Kerry , they are not Kilkenny. I saw nothing on Sunday to convince me that Dublin will Sam this year. This overhyped team will not win the All Ireland this year."
Ah jaysis Tony
Tell us have u seen anything from Mayo that says they'll win Sam this year so ????

rossy15 (Roscommon) - Posts: 619 - 30/08/2016 22:21:08    1908413

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