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Replying To IrishGael3: "Jeez lads any chance of keeping your posts down to max of 2 paragraphs - some of them are like war and peace - means most people won't bother reading them. Just some friendly advice :-)" A character limit like twitter will have to be set in place! ;)
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7876 - 24/08/2016 16:58:35
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Replying To GameOfTyrones: "Aye,I think everyone is repeating what the media is saying on Mayo and a downward spiral. They are far from it. Granted some of the players may be ageing (some are the wrong side of thirty).
They have a lot of young talented players to replace the old timers. Loftus is a fine forward , hasn't got much game time this year but whne he has he's scored goals when needed and points. Evan Regan is a zippy full forward , think their second highest scorer this year ,why he wasn't starting against Tipp confuses me.Coen is also shapping up well, Connor O 'shea is already showing what he can do,Other young lads like Reape,Nally will need more time .Few more that haven't been on the senior panel this year that play U-21 including Irwin a bull of a full forward who was very impressive U-21 this year for them and shakram akram(i'm not sure if I'm spelling this one correct) is Keith Higgins esk in the backs.
The key difference between Galway having successful underage and Mayo is that Mayo already have a strong senior team than Galway did not. Galway have improved because of their youth but Mayo come two years will be at a peak between them older players you mentioned still having a year or two left in them (bar maybe Andy Moran and Dillon)
I'd actually rather see Galway come up in the rankings to be honest , it would be good for the game ,especially the connaught championship which has been a snooze fest like the Leinster the last 5 years or so..but mark my words Mayo will be a fine fine team in the next two/three years.Although Dublin will be even better with the young lads they have coming through and the current panel they have , neck and neck for Sam between those pair 2018-2021. Ourselves will be a little bit behind both I think,Kerry picking up good in 4 years back to their best .Interesting few year ahead with Tipp showing themselves as decent team too ." Unfortunately I don't believe a word of it but the bit about Mayo makes for good reading from this end. Also, you have just managed to depress the entire population of Roscommon!
Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 24/08/2016 19:41:18
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Replying To legendzxix: "A character limit like twitter will have to be set in place! ;)" These young lads can type so fast long posts mean nothing to them. If I were to post a long message I'd have to stop half way through for the dinner. Anyway if they are interesting enough we'll read them!
Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 24/08/2016 19:45:23
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Replying To GameOfTyrones: "Dublin Kildare meath Kerry Galway and Tyrone will be the main contenders
Crazy talk of Kildare , no underage team and a dead flat average at best senior team .5 years of hard labour before ye can hope for any improvement
Meath is just as insane , one minor final a few years back will not make a great team , you need a strong senior panel in place already before minors can become relevant .. it is not the 90's anymore all these teams have gone to the dogs sorry to tell you. .
Galway maybe a little improved still a 6/10 team.Hard to tell with them ,probably a few more quarter finals , odd semi ,no AI anytime soon.
Ourselves are decent and will be at much the same level as this year and last, hanging about the quaters/semi for a few years anyway although hard to see that bunch winning an AI with Dublin,Kerry,Mayo around.
Dublin is unarguable .
You left out Mayo .Big mistake leaving out Mayo.Don't listen to the media hype around that team dying out , they have a new crop of u-21s dying to break into that team , some have already..but they just won a fking AI U-21 championship how on earth anyone thinks they won't be in the running for an AI in 2017 or the next 5 is beyone me , they already have a 8/10 team add those young lads over a 2year period and they will be neck and neck with the Dubs.Granted they may lose this year but their panel will seriously improve mark my words and as soon as next year .They have one serious forward by the name of Irwin who I believe will make a big difference to them next year.
Kerry will also be there or there abouts. They will fade for three maybe four years.They have no underage (just yet to fill their boots) but they have won a few minors in the last few years and they will grow into U-21 eventually senior.
Tipperary will also be in my honest opinion better than ourselves in two years time. Fantastic team at the minute , very very young and just lost by a few points in U-21 final to us last year.
The next five years will be a power struggle between Mayo and Dublin ,followed a few steps behind with Tipp and Ourselves and I'd expect Kerry to come very relevant again in three or four years as will Cork with their U-21.
For those of you say underage success doesn't develop into senior success it doesn't always (unless you already have the senior panel in place)Dublin ,Mayo ,Tipp ,Tyrone already have the panel undergae tipping along nicely in all camps so that is where it is at for the next 5 years but 90 percent certain it will be dominated by Mayo and Dublin for at least the next 4/5 until the rest get stronger or back to strength (kerry,Cork)
Donegal will be exactly where they are unless they throw together a few decent U-21s.
Cork will be back to in two years or so with decent underage teams
Roscommon I'm unsure of , have the talent but I just can't get my head around them if they will ever become any sort of a senior team , if they do nothing next year goose is cooked I think.
Everyone else is irrelevant to coming anywhere near AI success." In fairness roscommon had a bad year but you can't ignore that we were missing more then half from best players and some of our best subs. Outside Dublin anyone will suffer with that
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Some of them posts are very long allright,the reason I picked Kildare and meath as contenders in a few years should be obvious to everyone, increase in funding at long last, this two counties got patrically nothing of the gaa before as regards funding, at underage both counties have been very competitive in Leinster the last few years with Kildare winning two minor leinsters in a row and meath hammering everybody in Leinster at under 17s 16s and 15s, this two counties have finally got there act together and in my opinion will be dublins main challengers to Sam in a few short years
Kingoreilly (Kildare) - Posts: 77 - 24/08/2016 21:48:18
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Replying To Kingoreilly: "Some of them posts are very long allright,the reason I picked Kildare and meath as contenders in a few years should be obvious to everyone, increase in funding at long last, this two counties got patrically nothing of the gaa before as regards funding, at underage both counties have been very competitive in Leinster the last few years with Kildare winning two minor leinsters in a row and meath hammering everybody in Leinster at under 17s 16s and 15s, this two counties have finally got there act together and in my opinion will be dublins main challengers to Sam in a few short years" They may make it back to the top eventually it'll probably be in 10 years or more. It took Dublin a long time to make the breakthrough and they've more player numbers and were getting 1.5m a year compared to the 125k or so going to Kildare.
Leinster underage is far from the be all and end all.
Even Dublin have surprisingly few All Irelands at either underage level.
Beating Dublin at underage is something but there are plenty of counties doing that and more.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4241 - 24/08/2016 22:27:36
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Can't believe some of what I'm reading here. Tipp are going to overtake Kerry in Munster, and Meath and Kildare are going to rise to be dublins main challenger for Sam? Those teams have a lot to do before they get anywhere approaching that level.
Underage success is good but is not a guarantee of senior success. In Tipperarys case they'll have an issue keeping their squad together as well. Acheson (arguably their most important player) is emigrating for example. People in Tipp have little more than a passing interest in their football team and the players don't get the status and opportunities that come with playing for a top team.
Success breeds success more than anything else, and that's why you have the same handful of teams winning things in most sports.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 25/08/2016 09:25:42
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "Can't believe some of what I'm reading here. Tipp are going to overtake Kerry in Munster, and Meath and Kildare are going to rise to be dublins main challenger for Sam? Those teams have a lot to do before they get anywhere approaching that level.
Underage success is good but is not a guarantee of senior success. In Tipperarys case they'll have an issue keeping their squad together as well. Acheson (arguably their most important player) is emigrating for example. People in Tipp have little more than a passing interest in their football team and the players don't get the status and opportunities that come with playing for a top team.
Success breeds success more than anything else, and that's why you have the same handful of teams winning things in most sports." One poster has his fishing rod out, I'd take no notice of it.
TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts: 529 - 25/08/2016 09:57:37
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "Can't believe some of what I'm reading here. Tipp are going to overtake Kerry in Munster, and Meath and Kildare are going to rise to be dublins main challenger for Sam? Those teams have a lot to do before they get anywhere approaching that level.
Underage success is good but is not a guarantee of senior success. In Tipperarys case they'll have an issue keeping their squad together as well. Acheson (arguably their most important player) is emigrating for example. People in Tipp have little more than a passing interest in their football team and the players don't get the status and opportunities that come with playing for a top team.
Success breeds success more than anything else, and that's why you have the same handful of teams winning things in most sports." Kildare and meath have better players in there counties then people think, been stuck in the same province as Dublin (prob the best intercounty football team in the history of the gaa) has been a real hindrance to both counties over the past decade, been well beaten in Leinster by the dubs destroys confidence and makes it impossible to lift team spirit and believe heading to the back door, players who are good enough are dropping them selfs of panels because of this situation, let's not forget even Kerry are struggling to keep up with Dublin and have been at the receiving end of a few hammerings from the dubs, ten years ago Dublin underage teams hammered every county in Leinster but not any more both Kildare and meath are beating Dublin at every under age group now which as you correctly said success breeds success,
Kingoreilly (Kildare) - Posts: 77 - 25/08/2016 10:50:24
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "Can't believe some of what I'm reading here. Tipp are going to overtake Kerry in Munster, and Meath and Kildare are going to rise to be dublins main challenger for Sam? Those teams have a lot to do before they get anywhere approaching that level.
Underage success is good but is not a guarantee of senior success. In Tipperarys case they'll have an issue keeping their squad together as well. Acheson (arguably their most important player) is emigrating for example. People in Tipp have little more than a passing interest in their football team and the players don't get the status and opportunities that come with playing for a top team.
Success breeds success more than anything else, and that's why you have the same handful of teams winning things in most sports." Kildare and meath have better players in there counties then people think, been stuck in the same province as Dublin (prob the best intercounty football team in the history of the gaa) has been a real hindrance to both counties over the past decade, been well beaten in Leinster by the dubs destroys confidence and makes it impossible to lift team spirit and believe heading to the back door, players who are good enough are dropping them selfs of panels because of this situation, let's not forget even Kerry are struggling to keep up with Dublin and have been at the receiving end of a few hammerings from the dubs, ten years ago Dublin underage teams hammered every county in Leinster but not any more both Kildare and meath are beating Dublin at every under age group now which as you correctly said success breeds success,
Kingoreilly (Kildare) - Posts: 77 - 25/08/2016 16:47:42
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Replying To GeniusGerry: "Can't believe some of what I'm reading here. Tipp are going to overtake Kerry in Munster, and Meath and Kildare are going to rise to be dublins main challenger for Sam? Those teams have a lot to do before they get anywhere approaching that level.
Underage success is good but is not a guarantee of senior success. In Tipperarys case they'll have an issue keeping their squad together as well. Acheson (arguably their most important player) is emigrating for example. People in Tipp have little more than a passing interest in their football team and the players don't get the status and opportunities that come with playing for a top team.
Success breeds success more than anything else, and that's why you have the same handful of teams winning things in most sports." It's nice to see some optimism regarding Tipp but I agree with this post. It's vital to get out of Div 3 next season, that should be the goal and ultimately get to Div 1 within another two years after that. Also very important that the squad stays together and we add to it, as the squad was virtually non-existent beyond the first 15 this season. And I hope that the county board gets properly behind the team and we don't have a repeat of the fiasco this year with the club vs county row. Lots of things could upset the good work done this year, but I'm cautiously optimistic. Top Div 3 next year and an AI quarter final would be great progression.
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Kildare and meath have better players in there counties then people think, been stuck in the same province as Dublin has been a real hindrance to both counties over the past decade,
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Absolute blarney. Both counties have been inept in their challenge. The blue juggernaut can only play the opposition in front of them. The two expected challengers have been woeful. Ye need to get ye're own houses in order.
The better teams are in Division 1 consistently. It's a fair reflection of their level. It's not beyond top half Division 2 teams however to build up momentum. It's more Division 1.5 than Division 2 in my own humble opinion.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7876 - 27/08/2016 08:03:39
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Replying To fyfe79: "It's nice to see some optimism regarding Tipp but I agree with this post. It's vital to get out of Div 3 next season, that should be the goal and ultimately get to Div 1 within another two years after that. Also very important that the squad stays together and we add to it, as the squad was virtually non-existent beyond the first 15 this season. And I hope that the county board gets properly behind the team and we don't have a repeat of the fiasco this year with the club vs county row. Lots of things could upset the good work done this year, but I'm cautiously optimistic. Top Div 3 next year and an AI quarter final would be great progression." Id put my house on ye getting promoted come the league
GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 27/08/2016 10:21:50
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Replying To Kingoreilly: "Kildare and meath have better players in there counties then people think, been stuck in the same province as Dublin (prob the best intercounty football team in the history of the gaa) has been a real hindrance to both counties over the past decade, been well beaten in Leinster by the dubs destroys confidence and makes it impossible to lift team spirit and believe heading to the back door, players who are good enough are dropping them selfs of panels because of this situation, let's not forget even Kerry are struggling to keep up with Dublin and have been at the receiving end of a few hammerings from the dubs, ten years ago Dublin underage teams hammered every county in Leinster but not any more both Kildare and meath are beating Dublin at every under age group now which as you correctly said success breeds success," If so how come either rarely ever get through the qualifiers ?
GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 27/08/2016 10:28:22
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Id put my house on ye getting promoted come the league
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I'd put your house on it before mine! Things can never be taken for granted and they need to balance building up their squad. Armagh and Laois dropping down from Division 2 will be their main challengers.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7876 - 27/08/2016 11:37:18
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Replying To GameOfTyrones: "If so how come either rarely ever get through the qualifiers ?" Granted Kildare are going through a transition period at the moment with new management and new young players. We got promoted from Div 3 but had a largely poor championship campaign. However under Kieran McGeeney Kildare Qualified from the Qaulifiers 5 years in a row, reached an All-Ireland semi final only narrowly losing out to Down. To say we rarely came through the qualifers in view of that record is simply untrue.
Potentially Kildare can get back to the relative high levels of the Mcgeeney era if enough of the players from the recent successful underage teams can be properly harnessed. Tomorrow's minor semi against Kerry will hopefully be a step in that direction.
lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2991 - 27/08/2016 15:40:21
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As a Galwayman my immediate priority, if I was KW, would be to get back to division 1 and stay there for a season or two.
In fact, i feel that most teams in division 2 and three should focus on league promotion over championship.
joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 27/08/2016 16:53:05
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A good league in any Division can help build momentum as shown by Clare. Tipperary contradicted poor league form with a fine championship.
A number of top half Division 2 teams have won provincial championships.
The big one though more often than not is competed and won by those consistently in Division 1.
Some felt Division 1 might have been a step too far for Roscommon. They had a good league. It didn't convert into a good championship yet. They'll want to maintain Division 1 status for another year or two and use it to work towards a better championship run.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7876 - 27/08/2016 17:32:54
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Replying To joncarter: "As a Galwayman my immediate priority, if I was KW, would be to get back to division 1 and stay there for a season or two.
In fact, i feel that most teams in division 2 and three should focus on league promotion over championship." Don't agree.
The championship is most important. A lot of people saying the league is needed for a good championship run.
I'd say that it's just that being a good team is needed for a championship run and that teams in higher divisions on average are better.
Getting to division 1 hasn't exactly helped Down, being in division 3 didn't hurt Clare or Tipp.
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division 3 didn't hurt Clare or Tipp.
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It didn't but the difference between Division 1 and 3 was evident at times last Sunday.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7876 - 27/08/2016 19:14:17
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