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id like if possible all ireland club championships run off in calendar - for limerick it has been detrimental not having the na piarsaigh or kilmallock players missing in recent year for the league - na piarsaigh had a lot of guys on the panel who would have been given chances to show themselves in munster league and NHL matches but couldnt join up with panel until after the all ireland club finals. Plus ther is potential for player burn out as well
janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 11/08/2016 11:52:42
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Replying To Whammo86: "I played football in Meath and it is very similar. A few early games then nothing until the county are knocked out.
Mid summer becomes a new preseason, I don't mind that so long as we're still in championship contention.
I feel club players should be playing league matches without their county players so no excuse for interruption. It's pretty good as it gives fringe players an opportunity to show their worth ahead of championship.
Get inter-county finished on Aug bank holiday and get club championship started straight away. Every year in every county club championship starting the week after Aug bank holiday.
Run leagues up to the end of June. You've 18 weeks in March, April, May, June - loads of time for a good league. First 2 weeks of July holiday break. Last few weeks of July time to prepare for championship." I know in our county the club championship is the most important part of the clubs year. If that is the case in other counties then play the round robin in May. In our case we could have 16 teams capable of playing at a reasonable level, so 4 groups of 4 (three games for each team in May). Then in September the top two from each group play in the senior championship quarter/semi/final (1 to 3 championship games), bottom 2 in each group play intermediate championship. Those that are not in our top 16 teams (in our case possibly 16-18 teams) would play off in a similar vain the Junior Championship. During June/July August clubs could play the league with or without the county players as it is not taken too serious in our county. At the end of the league play-offs for relegation/promotion matches to ensure you give a team with a lot of county players a chance to stay in the division and that they are not unduly punished for having players involved in the county. NOTE: If Kilkenny can send their players back to the clubs to play league matches in between inter-county matches the rest of the counties in Ireland should also. This is getting away from the point that we need hurling coverage in the summer for not only the strong counties but for all, if BBC and RTE can show football matches involving teams from division three and four why can't they show hurling teams from the Lory/Nicky/Christy championships. Who said that we have far more Gaelic county teams than Hurling that's not correct its just that the counties that are poor football counties get coverage and hurling teams like Tyrone do not. Its time to set up a hurling channel like that done by Armagh GAA TV which does great work for their county, showing the ulster senior hurling final this year between Armagh and Antrim given that the BBC were not interested.
Brian_Coyote (Antrim) - Posts: 346 - 11/08/2016 12:26:19
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Replying To Brian_Coyote: "I know in our county the club championship is the most important part of the clubs year. If that is the case in other counties then play the round robin in May. In our case we could have 16 teams capable of playing at a reasonable level, so 4 groups of 4 (three games for each team in May). Then in September the top two from each group play in the senior championship quarter/semi/final (1 to 3 championship games), bottom 2 in each group play intermediate championship. Those that are not in our top 16 teams (in our case possibly 16-18 teams) would play off in a similar vain the Junior Championship. During June/July August clubs could play the league with or without the county players as it is not taken too serious in our county. At the end of the league play-offs for relegation/promotion matches to ensure you give a team with a lot of county players a chance to stay in the division and that they are not unduly punished for having players involved in the county. NOTE: If Kilkenny can send their players back to the clubs to play league matches in between inter-county matches the rest of the counties in Ireland should also. This is getting away from the point that we need hurling coverage in the summer for not only the strong counties but for all, if BBC and RTE can show football matches involving teams from division three and four why can't they show hurling teams from the Lory/Nicky/Christy championships. Who said that we have far more Gaelic county teams than Hurling that's not correct its just that the counties that are poor football counties get coverage and hurling teams like Tyrone do not. Its time to set up a hurling channel like that done by Armagh GAA TV which does great work for their county, showing the ulster senior hurling final this year between Armagh and Antrim given that the BBC were not interested." Good ideas there - you can either have a designated inter county season and then a shortened club season, or a season that dovetails between the 2 or what we have at the moment, which doesn't suit anyone, where there are 4 and 5 weeks between matches but club games are still not being played.
Personally I think the Hurling and Football intercounty League season should start Feb until end of April - that's 12 weeks roughly - have 6 games each home and away and then a league final. That 7 weeks - Club League games should begin St Patricks Day and go on until end of April - County players can play League if it's on a free weekend.
May is designated for Club activity only - play a few rounds of championship then - no team should be out of their championship at the end of May. June to Middle of August for hurling inter county- 11 weeks roughly - teams play 4 matches every 2 weeks and know when they are playing - Club Leagues keep going without County Players - Top 4 into semis end of July and final Middle of August - Football goes from June to end of August.
September and October Club's only - championship and leagues finished - Club all irelands played by Middle of December.
73forever (Limerick) - Posts: 89 - 11/08/2016 16:41:54
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "While the GAA bosses are fixated by adding to the football coverage during the summer, slowly but surely they are edging out the number of hurling matches at the same time. As the GAA entered the August Bank Holiday there were three hurling matches left to play this year and nine football matches remaining. It's time the hurling got treated properly, with the quarter finalist in hurling playing the same format as is being proposed in football and being played in the summer.
Brian_Coyote (Antrim) - Posts:211 - 10/08/2016 14:44:46 Well there is 9 gaelic and only 3 hurling as theres way more teams in gaelic...
Having the top sides playing the same format isn't needed in Hurling and the sides already play in the league.
You need to change the championship completely for hurling and not simply echo gaelic
A lot of focus is going on the football championship restructuring. The hurling is in just as big a need. In both I feel the league needs more prominence. In hurling I'd have a 10 team division 1 and 2. With the later rounds of the league being played in parallel to the provincial series. I'd have 16 teams go into the AI series. All the division 1 teams. Ulster champion, the 5 best from division 2 not qualified. First round bottom 8 from league not making a Leinster/Munster final. 2nd Round includes next 4 lowest teams who didn't win Leinster/Munster versus round 1 winners.
QF Leinster/Munster champions plus next 2 best placed teams from division 1 versus round 2 winners. Get more teams playing top hurling week in week out. 2 up 2 down. Division 2 is a really good league. Teams playing hard to qualify for the promotion or a place in the AI series.
Division 1 most seasons would be made up of the current top 8 plus 2 of the chasing pack such as Offaly, Laois, Wexford, Kerry maybe even us if we got our act together.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts:741 - 10/08/2016 15:14:04 Is there really a need for just 2 divisions of 10? The depth isn't really there for the second division.
I would like to see a hurling sports body and let the GAA run Gaelic Football.
I know this is a radical idea but Gaelic Football gets more time and focus because it's more popular. That then becomes a self fulfilling prophecy, like you say 9 big matches vs 3 big matches give Gaelic Football three times the exposure.
Hurling seems to be like Olympic sports for people who don't follow it all the time. You'll watch the all-Ireland final everyone September cos it's a nice thing to do and you don't bother watching it again for another 12 months.
The players need to be better recognised too. I think there was a suggestion for them to leave their helmets off during the parade so we might know who they are. I remember saying to friends of mine that you would struggle to pick out some of the Kilkenny players from the great team if they passed you by in the street. E.g. I haven't a clue what John Dalton looks like.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1330 - 10/08/2016 15:27:05 I think that would be madness - having separate associations for hurling and gaelic. So you would have a gaelic football association and a hurling association? Why double on costs and spending?" It's ok Ormondebanner, I know how this works. If I told you that the New Zealand rugby team play in an all black kit you'd tell me I am wrong and that they wear the same kit and Leeds United and Real Madrid.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 11/08/2016 21:49:19
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Replying To Whammo86: "I played football in Meath and it is very similar. A few early games then nothing until the county are knocked out.
Mid summer becomes a new preseason, I don't mind that so long as we're still in championship contention.
I feel club players should be playing league matches without their county players so no excuse for interruption. It's pretty good as it gives fringe players an opportunity to show their worth ahead of championship.
Get inter-county finished on Aug bank holiday and get club championship started straight away. Every year in every county club championship starting the week after Aug bank holiday.
Run leagues up to the end of June. You've 18 weeks in March, April, May, June - loads of time for a good league. First 2 weeks of July holiday break. Last few weeks of July time to prepare for championship." It needs a drastic overall anyway cos the club players are short changed by the existing formats.
The inter county players feel a huge obligation to play every possible game for their clubs and the clubs obviously want them available to increase their chances of winning.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 11/08/2016 21:54:34
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Football:
* 4 groups of 4.
* Provincial winners in each group with 3 home games.
* Provincial runners-up and 2 qualifiers in each group with 1 home game each.
* Top 2 from each group into quarter-finals.
Hurling:
* 2 groups of 4.
* Provincial winners in each group with 3 home games.
* Provincial runners-up and 2 qualifiers in each group with 1 home game each.
* Top 2 from each group into semi-finals.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7868 - 11/08/2016 22:56:21
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It's ok Ormond, I know how this works. If I told you that the New Zealand rugby team play in an all black kit you'd tell me I am wrong and that they wear the same kit and Leeds United and Real Madrid.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1340 - 11/08/2016 21:49:19 What are you on about? And how does separate associations help anyone?
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 12/08/2016 11:51:56
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "It's ok Ormond, I know how this works. If I told you that the New Zealand rugby team play in an all black kit you'd tell me I am wrong and that they wear the same kit and Leeds United and Real Madrid.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1340 - 11/08/2016 21:49:19 What are you on about? And how does separate associations help anyone?" Allows 100% focus on the sport just like the way most sporting bodies govern one sport only.
There is a bias towards Gaelic Football because it is more popular. I am not criticising anyone for it, it's just human nature. If hurling was number one in say 20 counties the opposite would apply.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 12/08/2016 12:57:55
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Replying To Killarney.87: " Replying To ormondbannerman: "It's ok Ormond, I know how this works. If I told you that the New Zealand rugby team play in an all black kit you'd tell me I am wrong and that they wear the same kit and Leeds United and Real Madrid.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:1340 - 11/08/2016 21:49:19 What are you on about? And how does separate associations help anyone?" Allows 100% focus on the sport just like the way most sporting bodies govern one sport only. There is a bias towards Gaelic Football because it is more popular. I am not criticising anyone for it, it's just human nature. If hurling was number one in say 20 counties the opposite would apply."
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Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 12/08/2016 16:28:32
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