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Possibly, but if you look at the Castlebar team that contested this years club final, only Paddy Durkan is starting for the county.
Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 05/08/2016 23:07:37 1896466 Link 0 |
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Well for a start some of those lads are retired while others are still playing. What's the point asking if they are lengendary players if you're writing them off while still playing? Who knows what heroics Diarmuid Connolly or Conor Mc Manus might display in the near future. Also the whole project is very subjective and opinion based. There are always a handful we can all agree on but then there's a multitude of players who some will never agree on whether they were/are legendary or not but I suppose even being in the argument might be answer enough really.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 05/08/2016 23:24:50 1896473 Link 0 |
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Two players who spring to mind at the moment for me are Sean Cavanagh and Aidan O'Shea (if he can get an All Ireland before he finishes up he will definitely be remembered like this, even if he doesn't he still might, like Dermitt Early, be rembered like this). It is much harder for modern footballers to stand out than in the past as the play much more as part of a system.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1354 - 06/08/2016 09:03:16 1896498 Link 0 |
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Cluxton has been hugely influential due to being the first to pick out players from kick outs which many others have tried to follow but I just can't see a goal keeper ever being remembered like a great out field player.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1354 - 06/08/2016 09:44:08 1896505 Link 0 |
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Right, I'm going to say what I think a legend is. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 06/08/2016 10:32:48 1896516 Link 0 |
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Cluxton will. That winning kick in 2011 alone ensures that. He also redefined the role somewhat with the short kick outs. Every county is at that now.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 06/08/2016 10:51:19 1896523 Link 0 |
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I wouldn't call Gooch a legend he has went missing far too many times in big games. Very talented if you left him play but if you mark him tight he does nothing. I don't ever remember Gooch single handle winning a game for kerry the way Peter always did for Tyrone. kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 06/08/2016 10:56:41 1896526 Link 0 |
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Gooch was consistently top scorer in the championship or very close for over a decade. The man had no equal and very rarely missed once he had the ball in his hand. He was also an unbelievable ball winner for his size. Yes, he was poor last year but he's a shadow of his former self at this stage unfortunately, but some people seem to be forgetting just how good he was. Maybe he should have called it a day after that bad injury, he certainly doesn't owe anybody anything at this stage. This lazy Joe brolly theory that he goes missing in big games stems from the couple of defeats to Tyrone in the 00's when Tyrone cut off any supply, double marked him and kicked him black and blue both on and off the ball for 70 minutes. Very few forwards would perform in those conditions. Somebody said yesterday he doesn't perform unless Kerry win yet he was majestic in the 2013 semi and score 1-3 in the 2011 final when Kerry lost close games. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 06/08/2016 11:26:13 1896539 Link 0 |
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The player who I will tell my kids was the best I remember is Peter Canavan. He had everything a player in the full forward line needed, pace, movement, brilliant skill, score taking, toughness, always performed in big games. He almost single handed won Tyrone the All Ireland in 1995. When I was a kid Jack O'Shea really stood out but as I was very young my memories of him are a bit vague. From a Meath point of view Colm O'Rourke was a top player. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1354 - 06/08/2016 12:09:42 1896554 Link 0 |
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GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7351 - 06/08/2016 13:15:10 1896574 Link 0 |
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He may be top scorer but that could be against lesser counties. To go missing in all ireland finals is a bif deal even if he was marked well. Peter was always a marked man but still manged to perform. Ask yourself this, in the last 10 minutes from a tight game and with your team failing who would you want on Peter or Gooch. Think most people would pick Peter kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 06/08/2016 13:27:23 1896579 Link 0 |
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He doesn't perform unless Kerry win is evidence enough of his brillance. That pretty much says Kerry don't win unless he performs! The man is a legend and will be remembered and spoke about for years to come in the same way as Henry Shefflin will be.
Douglas_Hyde (Roscommon) - Posts: 90 - 06/08/2016 13:32:25 1896582 Link 0 |
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On 2 of our All Ireland days Dooher was captaincy personified particularly in 2008 he just took the ball in the half back line and passed it on at the half forward line all day long....then you get into some of the scores. I've never seen a man have the jersey ripped off him in so many matches haha I go to the same gym as the man these days so maybe that's why I didn't mention him but it was nothing short of a privilege to have him represent us Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 06/08/2016 13:42:35 1896584 Link 0 |
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Ahh Genius I was about to come to the Gooch's rescue until I seen you talking about Tyrone's "tactics" on him Gooch played great against us on all occasions and indeed put in match winning efforts 2005 to scored 0-5 and 2008 he scored 0-6 as well as being top scorer almost every year of the decade. The problem with Gooch is that he was so good and effortless he seemed like he'd do it forever the peak of his powers ended in 2010 and he hasn't had the consistent brilliance of old but it's like Genius has said, a few matches in recent times have undermined the magician that is Colm Cooper and it's not at all fair....it's really not against a players reputation to expect a bit more support from his team as he gets older, like BOD in the rugby his role got quieter as the years went on but the moments of brilliance remained and he refined himself into a different kind of player who was equally effective at sparking the team on the pitch, he just didn't have the scoreboard rolling all by himself anymore. End of the day 4 All Ireland medals in the back pocket and the main man on maybe the most talented team to ever take to the pitch. Always felt they'd be regarded as the best ever if it weren't for Tyrone, Kerry on paper shouldn't have lost last decade but I feel Tyrone were always bigger than the sum of their parts particularly on the big days in Croke Park Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 06/08/2016 14:01:17 1896589 Link 1 |
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Yeah I can see where you are coming from. Peter canavan was as good if not better. Cooper rarely pulled a game out of the fire in a Roy of the rovers type way, then again he rarely had to. They were in very different teams. Tyrone were utterly dependent on canavan for scores, especially earlier in his career, while cooper usually had better team mates around him to help spread the burden but still stood out by a mile. They'll both go down as all time greats in my book. @Seansy48 agree with everything you said there. Kerry just never figured Tyrone out in the 00s. Two brilliant teams GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 06/08/2016 16:05:21 1896621 Link 0 |
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John Galvin is in limerick for sure.
blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 06/08/2016 16:21:09 1896625 Link 0 |
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Think thats a good post. The gooch was the standout player on arguably Kerrys greatest ever team. that in itself deserves legendary status. And contrary to popular opinion, he did perform well against tyrone in 2005 and 2008. In fact he was destroying Tyrone all by himself in 2005 til he got injured in the first half. I stillthink though that he needs probably one more great performance in a big big match to confirm it. joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 06/08/2016 17:16:21 1896664 Link 0 |
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The one last big performance won't happen at this stage. He will likely be sub from now on and is no longer an elite level forward in any case. Could be a good impact sub though. You'd have to wonder when he played all these games that he supposedly choked or disappeared. Joe Brolly said it in his column at one stage and it gets thrown around a lot since. It's nonsense as far as I'm concerned. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 06/08/2016 18:45:45 1896732 Link 0 |
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Diarmuid Connolly will be. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 06/08/2016 18:49:47 1896738 Link 0 |
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He doesn't need one big performance, he was a class act for years. He's a legend. I think the best players come in for two much stick when there team loses. People expect them to go out and try and win it on their own. When players try to do that, the team almost always suffers. It's a 15 man game, no one man ever has won a game on his own at the top level. I think Joe Canning is another who receives this unfair criticism when his team loses. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4232 - 06/08/2016 19:06:17 1896760 Link 1 |