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Replying To Green_Gold: "Why can't the GAA have a deal with SKY were they show whatever games the like in the UK but RTE & TV3 battle it out for the TV rights in Ireland? The GAA shouldn't be about profit, it should be about participation.
I really enjoy the sky coverage myself and would love to see them continue showing matches but I think these kind of games should be available here on free-to-air. There are elderly people who can't go to pub and don't have Sky, not fair on them." they have relatives that can help stream the game for them..its not difficult in this day and age...so the gaa should operate on the basis of what a very small minority want?.
like if u want to slag off the sky deal then please be reasonable and offer something realistic and fair...not the 'old person in the country' argument where a very small number of people are affected and can be dealt with via streaming and other things
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Replying To Lockjaw: "A narrow-minded and ignorant post.
Speaking for myself, I rarely used to miss Donegal games. But since my daughter was born priorities have obviously changed. This Saturday my wife is working and we don't have grandparents/relatives living near us who can easily baby sit. So I won't be travelling to Dublin nor will I be further lining Rupert Murdoch's pockets for the sake of one game. I won't be bringing my daughter to a pub either just so I can watch it." you can quite easily stream these games online.....not narrow minded at all..why are attendances down and crowds so poor the majority of the year?..the reality is most people like a good moan and feel like they are entitled to something...most counties arent shown on tv at all..you can quite easily get round not having sky in this day and age...it isnt the gaas job to base their tv deals on somebodies situation, i wouldnt expect the gaa to postpone a game cause im holidays nor should they...the reality is the vast majority of people in this day and age have access to sky be it through internet, tv, or other sources
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 02/08/2016 23:38:45
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Replying To yew_tree: "It's a difficult one as not everyone can travel to games. Personally it does not effect me but it has effected my parents. I know people who are carer's, looking after a sick relative at home etc. People in nursing homes? The argument that "ah sure them games weren't on 25 years ago" is a bit like saying people shouldn't have internet access or a telephone line. This is 2016." work around it...people cant be so entitled...lots of football supporters in ireland dont have sky yet follow man utd and liverpool..they work around it..its not the gaas job to cater for everybody..they have to do the best they can and sky have been pretty good and despite all the hysteria the reality is sky have very few games..i didnt see anybody here giving out when tv3 had the games and people up the north had no access to them..i have relatives from one of the smaller counties and there games are never on tv...tipp and longford both had historic wins this year and neither were featured on tv so in terms of grievances they would be a lot higher on the list
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "I don't get your point. I am not complaining that my team's games not being on free to air tv. I am saying that big matches (from quarter finals onwards) should be on free to air tv, regardless of what counties are involved. I go to my county's games and have Sky anyway but I am not selfish enough to be just thinking of myself. there are others who can't attend matches and don't have Sky. I just feel they should be able to view big games like this in their home.
Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts:250 - 02/08/2016 19:05:17All games from quarters shouldn't have to be on free to air. As then why would any channel bid for rights if they cant show games like quarters. Only a very small number of games must be shown free to air and that shouldn't change
They interrupt the half time of every match this summer to show Nuacht and News for the deaf, can you imagine them doing that with Rugby or Soccer. RTE don't really give a fiddlers and anything that threatens them is a good thing.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts:923 - 02/08/2016 20:54:34Interrupting games for the Nuacht isn't an issue. When they've done that was that not when games were on RTE 1 and RTE are obliged to show the Nuacht so when else would you have them do it.
Anything that threatens RTE isn't a good thing as what guarantee there is enough interest outside them to provide the very extensive coverage they do provide?" Anything the treathens RTE is a good thing because competition improves standards (or at least it should).It was fine when the European Champions were on RTE2 to have the Nuacht intruppting the GAA coverage on RTE1 but now that the Euros are over the matches can switch back to RTE2 or else the nuacht can go to RTE2.It's complete half arsed coverage and really mickey mouse stuff from RTE and they wouldn't do it with any of the other major sports they cover.I have no particular love for the punditry it's just the double standard that pisses me off.
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Replying To alano12: "i am offering my opinion..you have yet to offer anything outside of trying to personally attack me..why are the stadiums empty and attendances down?..did somebody not get a ticket for saturday?" Haha personally attack you? I said you're condescending and have a holier than thou attitude. Which you do. Or are you the only one allowed to voice your opinion on how people are behaving by calling them sanctimonious and entitled?!
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Replying To alano12: "i am offering my opinion..you have yet to offer anything outside of trying to personally attack me..why are the stadiums empty and attendances down?..did somebody not get a ticket for saturday?" Oh, and I did get my tickets for Sunday, thanks for your concern though.
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Replying To alano12: "you can quite easily stream these games online.....not narrow minded at all..why are attendances down and crowds so poor the majority of the year?..the reality is most people like a good moan and feel like they are entitled to something...most counties arent shown on tv at all..you can quite easily get round not having sky in this day and age...it isnt the gaas job to base their tv deals on somebodies situation, i wouldnt expect the gaa to postpone a game cause im holidays nor should they...the reality is the vast majority of people in this day and age have access to sky be it through internet, tv, or other sources" I work in IT so spare me your condescending "advice" on streaming. Maybe you're not aware but broadband and fiber aren't as robust or reliable in rural parts of the country compared to Dublin. I could choose to stream the match in a variety of ways but the infrastructure to do so isn't really adequate to watch it with any degree of comfort or satisfaction.
The issue here is a GAA and RTE one. RTE are a rugby shop if you ask me and their inadequate coverage of GAA proves this. During the spring there is zero live National League coverage and you'd be lucky to get the scores read out correctly on the News. The highlights show is laughable as is their Friday night GAA show previewing the weekend's championship games. TG4, with their limited budget do a far better job.
In an ideal world, what needs to happen is someone with a strong GAA background gets the reins and a proper budget within RTE to sort the whole thing out and the GAA need to get their snouts out of the money trough for 5 bloody minutes.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9155 - 03/08/2016 10:19:14
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Anything the treathens RTE is a good thing because competition improves standards (or at least it should).It was fine when the European Champions were on RTE2 to have the Nuacht intruppting the GAA coverage on RTE1 but now that the Euros are over the matches can switch back to RTE2 or else the nuacht can go to RTE2.It's complete half arsed coverage and really mickey mouse stuff from RTE and they wouldn't do it with any of the other major sports they cover.I have no particular love for the punditry it's just the double standard that pisses me off.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts:924 - 03/08/2016 07:57:56How is anything that threatens RTE a good thing?
What are all these alternatives to RTE then?
The issue here is a GAA and RTE one. RTE are a rugby shop if you ask me and their inadequate coverage of GAA proves this. During the spring there is zero live National League coverage and you'd be lucky to get the scores read out correctly on the News. The highlights show is laughable as is their Friday night GAA show previewing the weekend's championship games. TG4, with their limited budget do a far better job.
In an ideal world, what needs to happen is someone with a strong GAA background gets the reins and a proper budget within RTE to sort the whole thing out and the GAA need to get their snouts out of the money trough for 5 bloody minutes.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts:4704 - 03/08/2016 10:19:14 Saying RTE "are a rugby shop" is complete nonsense. In the past decade they have lost European cup live coverage, European rugby highlights. They don't show the pro12/celtic league.
Its nonsense to say RTE is a rugby shop when they don't actually show that much live rugby.
What exactly do you want RTE to show in terms of GAA? They have a weekly highlights show every sunday in the summer. They have magazine shows like thank GAA its Friday etc. They have up for the match before the big games. They show many games including minor finals....
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "Anything the treathens RTE is a good thing because competition improves standards (or at least it should).It was fine when the European Champions were on RTE2 to have the Nuacht intruppting the GAA coverage on RTE1 but now that the Euros are over the matches can switch back to RTE2 or else the nuacht can go to RTE2.It's complete half arsed coverage and really mickey mouse stuff from RTE and they wouldn't do it with any of the other major sports they cover.I have no particular love for the punditry it's just the double standard that pisses me off.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts:924 - 03/08/2016 07:57:56How is anything that threatens RTE a good thing?
What are all these alternatives to RTE then?
The issue here is a GAA and RTE one. RTE are a rugby shop if you ask me and their inadequate coverage of GAA proves this. During the spring there is zero live National League coverage and you'd be lucky to get the scores read out correctly on the News. The highlights show is laughable as is their Friday night GAA show previewing the weekend's championship games. TG4, with their limited budget do a far better job.
In an ideal world, what needs to happen is someone with a strong GAA background gets the reins and a proper budget within RTE to sort the whole thing out and the GAA need to get their snouts out of the money trough for 5 bloody minutes.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts:4704 - 03/08/2016 10:19:14 Saying RTE "are a rugby shop" is complete nonsense. In the past decade they have lost European cup live coverage, European rugby highlights. They don't show the pro12/celtic league.
Its nonsense to say RTE is a rugby shop when they don't actually show that much live rugby.
What exactly do you want RTE to show in terms of GAA? They have a weekly highlights show every sunday in the summer. They have magazine shows like thank GAA its Friday etc. They have up for the match before the big games. They show many games including minor finals...." Ryle Nugent is a formidable Gael in fairness...
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9155 - 03/08/2016 11:08:44
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What I can't get my head around is when TV3 had the rights people said their analysts were shocking and wanted RTE to have all matches. Now the same TV3 lads are with Sky they are the best things ever!!
Irish people are some of the most gullible in the the world. Not only do they lap up the TV3 lads, they also swallowed the blatant lie about the SKY deal being brought in to deliver coverage to the UK. GAA was, and is still, on another sports channel in the UK for a fifth of the price of sky sports. Plus they show 6 times the amount of matches sky do in a year.
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RTE are a rugby shop -how are they they show a lot more gaa than rugby - wont be showing 6 nations in few years time
During the spring there is zero live National League coverage -there is 4 games per week on tv between setanta and Tg4
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"there is 4 games per week on tv between setanta and Tg4"
ie not on RTE.
This is our national sport we're talking about here. It's reasonable to assume that the national broadcaster would show our indigenous games and not whore themselves out to Murdoch's crew.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9155 - 03/08/2016 11:28:39
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Lockjaw the games are on tv and you can watch them -you can get setanta for around €12 per month the tg4 games are free to air
It's reasonable to assume that the national broadcaster would show our indigenous games -- they actually do show games -they had 2 live games on sunday
and not whore themselves out to Murdoch's crew. how have rte done this - correct me if i am wrong i thought it was the GAA who got the benefit of the sky money and not rte
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Replying To janesboro: "Lockjaw the games are on tv and you can watch them -you can get setanta for around €12 per month the tg4 games are free to air
It's reasonable to assume that the national broadcaster would show our indigenous games -- they actually do show games -they had 2 live games on sunday
and not whore themselves out to Murdoch's crew. how have rte done this - correct me if i am wrong i thought it was the GAA who got the benefit of the sky money and not rte" They did. I'm not absolving the GAA from blame on this, far from it. It is my belief that in the corridors of power in the GAA, they have totally lost touch with the realities of the grass roots. They spin the yarn about volunteerism and the club being the bedrock of the organisation but in reality, to anyone with half a brain, this is just complete bullshit.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9155 - 03/08/2016 11:44:08
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"Anything the treathens RTE is a good thing because competition improves standards (or at least it should).It was fine when the European Champions were on RTE2 to have the Nuacht intruppting the GAA coverage on RTE1 but now that the Euros are over the matches can switch back to RTE2 or else the nuacht can go to RTE2.It's complete half arsed coverage and really mickey mouse stuff from RTE and they wouldn't do it with any of the other major sports they cover.I have no particular love for the punditry it's just the double standard that pisses me off.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts:924 - 03/08/2016 07:57:56Yet to answer these questions?
How is anything that threatens RTE a good thing?
What are all these alternatives to RTE then?
The issue here is a GAA and RTE one. RTE are a rugby shop if you ask me and their inadequate coverage of GAA proves this. During the spring there is zero live National League coverage and you'd be lucky to get the scores read out correctly on the News. The highlights show is laughable as is their Friday night GAA show previewing the weekend's championship games. TG4, with their limited budget do a far better job.
In an ideal world, what needs to happen is someone with a strong GAA background gets the reins and a proper budget within RTE to sort the whole thing out and the GAA need to get their snouts out of the money trough for 5 bloody minutes.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts:4704 - 03/08/2016 10:19:14 Saying RTE "are a rugby shop" is complete nonsense. In the past decade they have lost European cup live coverage, European rugby highlights. They don't show the pro12/celtic league.
Its nonsense to say RTE is a rugby shop when they don't actually show that much live rugby.
What exactly do you want RTE to show in terms of GAA? They have a weekly highlights show every sunday in the summer. They have magazine shows like thank GAA its Friday etc. They have up for the match before the big games. They show many games including minor finals...."
Ryle Nugent is a formidable Gael in fairness...
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts:4709 - 03/08/2016 11:08:44 Care to answer the questions I posted rather than deflect and talk nonsense. Saying RTE is rugby orientated, a "rugby shop" is a load of nonsense. They don't show much live rugby at all. And will be showing less this season.
And what changes with the GAA coverage do you want?
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I'll admit I'm not a rugby person. I can take it or leave it. RTE have in the past devoted hours of buildup to 6 Nations Games, proper preview shows, highlights etc and that's great. It's what they should have been doing and should be doing in the future. I don't know why they aren't? Maybe if they cut out half of them bullshit celebrity chef type shows there'd be more money in the kitty.
My point is that Gaelic Games are our national sport and they should be afforded priority by RTE in my opinion. I don't think it's any way unreasonable to expect the national broadcaster to deliver the biggest games of the season, this weekend being a prime example. It's knock-out, do or die stuff now with the best teams involved. Loads of neutral interest, but of course the game isn't available to all to see.
Now as I've already stated, this isn't entirely RTE's fault. The GAA saw the €'s and could barely wait to get the thing signed off to Sky. Passed it off as "increasing exposure to our games in the UK". Did you ever hear such crap?
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9155 - 03/08/2016 13:17:16
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I'll admit I'm not a rugby person. I can take it or leave it. RTE have in the past devoted hours of buildup to 6 Nations Games, proper preview shows, highlights etc and that's great. It's what they should have been doing and should be doing in the future. I don't know why they aren't? Maybe if they cut out half of them bullshit celebrity chef type shows there'd be more money in the kitty.
My point is that Gaelic Games are our national sport and they should be afforded priority by RTE in my opinion. I don't think it's any way unreasonable to expect the national broadcaster to deliver the biggest games of the season, this weekend being a prime example. It's knock-out, do or die stuff now with the best teams involved. Loads of neutral interest, but of course the game isn't available to all to see.
Now as I've already stated, this isn't entirely RTE's fault. The GAA saw the €'s and could barely wait to get the thing signed off to Sky. Passed it off as "increasing exposure to our games in the UK". Did you ever hear such crap?
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts:4710 - 03/08/2016 13:17:16RTE has such build up to the 6 Nations as there is interest for it. RTE have Against the Head a rugby magazine programme for maybe 10 weeks in a season if that. They show little else especially now with no pro12, no European cup highlights.
Gaelic Football and Hurling shouldn't be prioritised simply because they are the national sports.
You may call the celebrity cooking shows bullshit but they will be kept because they attract ratings, sponsors and viewers.
RTE cannot provide coverage of all games. It doesn't have the resources to do so. Its not RTEs fault that Sky got the other set of tv rights and when Ireland is such a small country especially in media terms where it imports a lot of its tv coverage in all sectors then of course non irish channels will have some coverage.
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Replying To Lockjaw: "I'll admit I'm not a rugby person. I can take it or leave it. RTE have in the past devoted hours of buildup to 6 Nations Games, proper preview shows, highlights etc and that's great. It's what they should have been doing and should be doing in the future. I don't know why they aren't? Maybe if they cut out half of them bullshit celebrity chef type shows there'd be more money in the kitty.
My point is that Gaelic Games are our national sport and they should be afforded priority by RTE in my opinion. I don't think it's any way unreasonable to expect the national broadcaster to deliver the biggest games of the season, this weekend being a prime example. It's knock-out, do or die stuff now with the best teams involved. Loads of neutral interest, but of course the game isn't available to all to see.
Now as I've already stated, this isn't entirely RTE's fault. The GAA saw the €'s and could barely wait to get the thing signed off to Sky. Passed it off as "increasing exposure to our games in the UK". Did you ever hear such crap?" Lockjaw out of interest when you say the GAA saw the €€ and went for it what do you mean?? Because simply put the deal is only slightly more than what TV3 were paying for the same package.
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Replying To ormondbannerman: "I'll admit I'm not a rugby person. I can take it or leave it. RTE have in the past devoted hours of buildup to 6 Nations Games, proper preview shows, highlights etc and that's great. It's what they should have been doing and should be doing in the future. I don't know why they aren't? Maybe if they cut out half of them bullshit celebrity chef type shows there'd be more money in the kitty.
My point is that Gaelic Games are our national sport and they should be afforded priority by RTE in my opinion. I don't think it's any way unreasonable to expect the national broadcaster to deliver the biggest games of the season, this weekend being a prime example. It's knock-out, do or die stuff now with the best teams involved. Loads of neutral interest, but of course the game isn't available to all to see.
Now as I've already stated, this isn't entirely RTE's fault. The GAA saw the €'s and could barely wait to get the thing signed off to Sky. Passed it off as "increasing exposure to our games in the UK". Did you ever hear such crap?
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts:4710 - 03/08/2016 13:17:16RTE has such build up to the 6 Nations as there is interest for it. RTE have Against the Head a rugby magazine programme for maybe 10 weeks in a season if that. They show little else especially now with no pro12, no European cup highlights.
Gaelic Football and Hurling shouldn't be prioritised simply because they are the national sports.
You may call the celebrity cooking shows bullshit but they will be kept because they attract ratings, sponsors and viewers.
RTE cannot provide coverage of all games. It doesn't have the resources to do so. Its not RTEs fault that Sky got the other set of tv rights and when Ireland is such a small country especially in media terms where it imports a lot of its tv coverage in all sectors then of course non irish channels will have some coverage." "Gaelic Football and Hurling shouldn't be prioritised simply because they are the national sports. "
Why not? The GAA has a presence in almost every parish in this country. It stands to reason that its top matches should be available for all to see.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9155 - 03/08/2016 14:51:20
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