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Replying To ZeitChrist: "So all these young players are coming through and not a single one of them can kick a free? This is an area that needs urgent attention from Harte. Having a reliable free-taker is invaluable in the game now.
And no kicking frees isn't some God-given talent. It's something that's worked on and perfected. Ask Dean Rock about how much he works on perfecting his technique and we've all heard the stories about Cillian O'Connor's obsessiveness when it comes to his placed ball accuracy." Free taking like any other talent can be improved and perfected with practice but like any other skill the player either has it or he doesn't , at present we don't have that player simple as, this isn't something that raised its head on Saturday. It been obvious for sometime to anyone who has been watching Tyrone so you could be pretty sure Mickey Harte has noticed it too.
benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 08/08/2016 09:03:05
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I thought both games highlighted that a lot of the teams have adapted to the blanket defence. Unless the team playing the blanket has the lead, it can look quite redundant. Tyrone and Donegal both stuck to the game plan even though the natural thing to do would be push up and go for it. Dara O'Se made the point last week that Mayo had the better footballers and experience so they always had a chance to win (even if he didn't fancy them). Regardless of the missed frees, Tyrones poor shooting let them down again like the Kerry game last year.
As well as Mayo played, Tyrone had a lot of chances especially that glorious goal chance that would have been the winning of the game. The Tipperary game will be interesting. I don't think it will be the easy win that some assume it will be. Tipp's direct running and speed could cause Mayo a lot of problems. Mayo's back line wasn't really tested and I also think Tipp can offer a much different proposition in midfield with their ability to do the traditional catch and kick.
Some will revel in no Ulster team making the semi finals but again I would argue that this is a direct result of the ways and means that teams are getting to this point of the championship. I know people still rate the Ulster championship but winning it or even making it to the Ulster final seems to be more of a hindrance than a help.
Who were the last Ulster championship runners-up who got further than the quarter final? I'm guessing Tyrone 2005
keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 08/08/2016 09:39:28
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Replying To keithlemon: "I thought both games highlighted that a lot of the teams have adapted to the blanket defence. Unless the team playing the blanket has the lead, it can look quite redundant. Tyrone and Donegal both stuck to the game plan even though the natural thing to do would be push up and go for it. Dara O'Se made the point last week that Mayo had the better footballers and experience so they always had a chance to win (even if he didn't fancy them). Regardless of the missed frees, Tyrones poor shooting let them down again like the Kerry game last year.
As well as Mayo played, Tyrone had a lot of chances especially that glorious goal chance that would have been the winning of the game. The Tipperary game will be interesting. I don't think it will be the easy win that some assume it will be. Tipp's direct running and speed could cause Mayo a lot of problems. Mayo's back line wasn't really tested and I also think Tipp can offer a much different proposition in midfield with their ability to do the traditional catch and kick.
Some will revel in no Ulster team making the semi finals but again I would argue that this is a direct result of the ways and means that teams are getting to this point of the championship. I know people still rate the Ulster championship but winning it or even making it to the Ulster final seems to be more of a hindrance than a help.
Who were the last Ulster championship runners-up who got further than the quarter final? I'm guessing Tyrone 2005" I didn't buy into the talk and Mayo where past it. I expected Mayo to beat Tyrone. I think if Mayo keep there heads they can win the All-Ireland this year. They have a seriously experienced bench needed these days to win it. By the way 16/1 for a Tipp Kerry final you never know I had a flutter on it anyway.
bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 08/08/2016 10:13:43
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Missed chances cost Tyrone
They had enough in the last 10 minutes to have won the game
That one on one being the big one... IMO Tyrone just don't have the class required up front to win the ultimate prize at present
Missed goal chances are proving very costly to Tyrone over the last couple of big loses in Croke Park
Mayo setup very well against Tyrone and that's what won them the game, they played the game very well
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 08/08/2016 10:50:00
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Tyrone lost this game because we didn't have a good enough return from our forwards. Our starting inside forward line scored nothing from play, and neither did the subs brought into attack (Bradley & McCurry). We also squandered the only goal chance in the game. On top of all that, we missed countless frees.
Tyrone lack a top scoring forward that the other top teams all seem to possess (Brogan, Connolly, O'Connor, McManus, O'Donoghue or Murphy when both are fit). Our forwards are all good players, but not game changers at the very highest level, and none of them force the opposition to gameplan specifically against them.
Now, players like that don't grow on trees, and I haven't see any in Tyrone club football who are ready to set the world on fire. However, what is inexcusable, is that we still haven't developed 2 top freetakers, one from each side. Proper technique can be taught and practiced to the point of exhaustion, and there's no excuse for us not having done that in the last 2 years. You could make a very strong case that, even if he had contributed nothing in open play, Tyrone would now be in the semi-final had we carried a top freetaker on Saturday.
Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 08/08/2016 12:17:53
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Replying To Thomas Clarke: "Tyrone lost this game because we didn't have a good enough return from our forwards. Our starting inside forward line scored nothing from play, and neither did the subs brought into attack (Bradley & McCurry). We also squandered the only goal chance in the game. On top of all that, we missed countless frees.
Tyrone lack a top scoring forward that the other top teams all seem to possess (Brogan, Connolly, O'Connor, McManus, O'Donoghue or Murphy when both are fit). Our forwards are all good players, but not game changers at the very highest level, and none of them force the opposition to gameplan specifically against them.
Now, players like that don't grow on trees, and I haven't see any in Tyrone club football who are ready to set the world on fire. However, what is inexcusable, is that we still haven't developed 2 top freetakers, one from each side. Proper technique can be taught and practiced to the point of exhaustion, and there's no excuse for us not having done that in the last 2 years. You could make a very strong case that, even if he had contributed nothing in open play, Tyrone would now be in the semi-final had we carried a top freetaker on Saturday." 100% agree...
Greenwood (Meath) - Posts: 210 - 08/08/2016 12:36:13
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I felt Tyrone left this one behind them,but if Cavanagh had been on the pitch near the end I think they'd have got the draw out of it at least,
what the hell where Mayo at towards the end, jes it was risky stuff all the chances they coughed up,
Mayo will need to be sharper than that to beat Tipp, I'm looking forward to both semi's now, I'll be shouting for the Dubs and Tipp.
TirChonaillabu2 (Donegal) - Posts: 344 - 08/08/2016 14:56:43
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It's absolutely a game that Tyrone could have won, but credit to Mayo. They were setup very well and did what they needed to do.
But if that was Mayo's best performance so far this in the championship
They'll need to do a lot more to win Sam... because that was far from a top rate performance and they could have just as easily lost.
Out of the top 5 teams - you'd have to put Tyrone at the bottom of the list for natural scoring forwards.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 08/08/2016 15:10:12
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I give Tipp a stronger chance now than I would have last week. Thought both teams on Saturday demonstrated some major weaknesses. I hope I am wrong but Kerry Dublin could be our final. However many thought the same when Donegal played Dublin a couple of years ago only for Kerry to have other ideas. That said neither Tipp or Mayo have the know how of Kerry.
Regardless I am edging for supporting Tipp and Kerry in the semis but would not be too disappointed to see Mayo contest the final. Dublin will lift a few more titles yet so going against them in the interests of variety plus I think there is a better chance of Kerry losing the final, especially as they will have already played the final.
Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 08/08/2016 15:14:19
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Tyrone will be back but they badly need a striker, a Connor Mc manus. Why is Peter Harte not in there? They have the team and the plan. They need a striker and a freetaker. Then they will give trouble.
border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 08/08/2016 19:22:43
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The analysis of this game is straightforward. ..tyrone dont have a quality inside forward That carries real scoring talent.....
Ronan oneil, good game against derry but to often hit and miss. How many chances did he squander before harte took him off?
Macaliskiy. ..goal chance...he hit it like a corner back..terrible rushed effort straight at the keeper...its not a learning experience for him he'l just never b a brogan.
Mccurry....he never started the game why? Because he's been about long enough now for harte to know that hes nothing more than a hit and miss player...hence what was imo the biggest let down,2mins to go he got the ball 25/30yards out in space had a runner for a lay off but snapped at a terrible shot instead..should of got his head up!!
Its a shame because I think in every other area this tyrone team are equiped to beat the best but where are thy gunna find at least 2 top class forwards?
abitawit (Fermanagh) - Posts: 274 - 08/08/2016 22:12:32
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Replying To abitawit: "The analysis of this game is straightforward. ..tyrone dont have a quality inside forward That carries real scoring talent.....
Ronan oneil, good game against derry but to often hit and miss. How many chances did he squander before harte took him off?
Macaliskiy. ..goal chance...he hit it like a corner back..terrible rushed effort straight at the keeper...its not a learning experience for him he'l just never b a brogan.
Mccurry....he never started the game why? Because he's been about long enough now for harte to know that hes nothing more than a hit and miss player...hence what was imo the biggest let down,2mins to go he got the ball 25/30yards out in space had a runner for a lay off but snapped at a terrible shot instead..should of got his head up!!
Its a shame because I think in every other area this tyrone team are equiped to beat the best but where are thy gunna find at least 2 top class forwards?" Perfect analysis and exactly what's wrong - I think Tyrone are not far off but if you can't convert the chances you have no hope - surely there's better in Tyrone?
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 08/08/2016 23:53:00
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I said it ages ago, that the team best equipped to beat Dublin are Mayo.
Their form at the moment is not going to beat the Dubs but they have all the ingredients within their team and squad to do so....a tall ask to beat Dublin all the same.
Just on a side, Tyrone chasing the game in the last few mins and having 1 or no players in the opposition half...that said enough for me about the problems with modern day football. But even if they were following orders , the players have to take some responsibility to make on field changes especially when needing an equalizer.
woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 09/08/2016 15:55:54
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This game was very close and could have went either way. The big problem for Tyrone is they are not getting enough scores out of their forward line, in particular their full forwards. However I would have sympathy for the full forwards on the Tyrone team as they don't get any direct and fast ball. It is similar to Donegal where it is difficult to play in the full forward line as you are starved of the ball. The other area of concern is lack of a free taker. How many Tyrone players took frees last weekend, 5 I believe - Harte, O'Neill, McAliskey, Morgan and McCurry, need to settle on one good left footed and one good right footed free taker. Not sure why Niall Morgan is taking them as he misses more than he gets, he doesn't look comfortable taking them.
In saying this, Tyrone are very close, very close indeed. If they can improve on their scoring return they will be serious contenders in the next few years.
Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 09/08/2016 16:38:34
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Replying To Green_Gold: "This game was very close and could have went either way. The big problem for Tyrone is they are not getting enough scores out of their forward line, in particular their full forwards. However I would have sympathy for the full forwards on the Tyrone team as they don't get any direct and fast ball. It is similar to Donegal where it is difficult to play in the full forward line as you are starved of the ball. The other area of concern is lack of a free taker. How many Tyrone players took frees last weekend, 5 I believe - Harte, O'Neill, McAliskey, Morgan and McCurry, need to settle on one good left footed and one good right footed free taker. Not sure why Niall Morgan is taking them as he misses more than he gets, he doesn't look comfortable taking them.
In saying this, Tyrone are very close, very close indeed. If they can improve on their scoring return they will be serious contenders in the next few years." Seems crazy that Sean Cavanagh dosn't take them - he misses very few, handles pressure kicks and took them all year in 2008 when they last lifted Sam.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 09/08/2016 17:11:27
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Replying To cavanman47: "Seems crazy that Sean Cavanagh dosn't take them - he misses very few, handles pressure kicks and took them all year in 2008 when they last lifted Sam." Agree cavanman - Sean will be much better than the guys who are taking them - but why don't free takers put the ball on the ground and kick them - less room for error - trust me I'm no idiot on free taking and also kicked pens in rugby - it's much easier than out of your hands.
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 11/08/2016 00:18:03
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Replying To IrishGael3: "Agree cavanman - Sean will be much better than the guys who are taking them - but why don't free takers put the ball on the ground and kick them - less room for error - trust me I'm no idiot on free taking and also kicked pens in rugby - it's much easier than out of your hands." Frees taken off the ground have to be taken roughly from where the free was given. Free takers kicking off the hands can often gain seven or eight yards either towards the goal or towards the centre of the goal.
Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 11/08/2016 12:21:13
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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes: "Frees taken off the ground have to be taken roughly from where the free was given. Free takers kicking off the hands can often gain seven or eight yards either towards the goal or towards the centre of the goal." Frees from the ground are just another one of those yesteryear skills people seem to enjoy.
The skill is not in kicking the ball, the skill is in splitting the posts.
5 from the ground equal the exact same as 5 from the hand, it's an individual thing.
I can kick a ball O.K. from hand but I'd do more damage to myself than good kicking from the ground.
End of the day it's a sport and not an art
Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 11/08/2016 15:27:23
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