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aidan64 (Kerry) - Posts: 665 - 01/08/2016 23:26:33
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Westmeath showed that this Dublin team can be got at. For 50 mins they got struck in, ruffled them up and put doubts in Dublin and they looked very ordinary. They are not the team they were, are missing some key players so Donegal should believe. It is like Tyrone with Kerry. If you don't show them any respect on the pitch and are not beat before you take to the pitch in big games, like Mayo and Cork, you are in with a chance. This Dublin side are decent but certainly NO world beaters and definately not as good as the Kerry and Tyrone sides of 2000 - 2010 so get in their faces Tir Conaill and you never know; you most certainly have the talented footballers to beat Dublin.
Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 02/08/2016 01:35:20
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Well well! We go again! I was hoping that this would be the final but it wasn't to be after us losing to Tyrone. I fancied our chances of making the final had we overcome the Redhands but c'est la vie.
I think Dublin will definitely be less tactically naive this time around. We won't be afforded the freedom of Croke Park to run straight through the middle of your defence like in 2014. Something different will be required this time around that will force Dublin into a rethink. If we can force Dublin to play on our terms (easier said than done) then we have a chance.
Dublin haven't really been tested this year so there's a chance they might be undercooked. And as Tomas O'Se said on TSG, the sight of the blue jersey in a packed Croke Park might just be enough incentive for our boys to deliver a season best performance. It'll need to be. Anything less than a complete performance probably won't be enough to beat this Dublin team.
So all in all, cautiously optimistic but also realistic enough to appreciate the enormity of the task ahead of us!
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9155 - 02/08/2016 10:29:49
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Has the ref been named yet? Some of the frees given in both games on Saturday night for all 4 teams were so soft. Coldrick is the best there is right now so I'd say he has one of the games this Saturday. The nerves are building really excited about this game. Paul Galvin was on Colm Parkinson's podcast yesterday (brilliant podcast btw) saying Dublin will beat Donegal if Donegal go ultra defensive , they've played them too many times since and know what it takes he reckons Donegal should just abandon the defensive system and just go for it.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 02/08/2016 11:10:31
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Westmeath showed that this Dublin team can be got at. For 50 mins they got struck in, ruffled them up and put doubts in Dublin and they looked very ordinary. They are not the team they were, are missing some key players so Donegal should believe. It is like Tyrone with Kerry. If you don't show them any respect on the pitch and are not beat before you take to the pitch in big games, like Mayo and Cork, you are in with a chance. This Dublin side are decent but certainly NO world beaters and definately not as good as the Kerry and Tyrone sides of 2000 - 2010 so get in their faces Tir Conaill and you never know; you most certainly have the talented footballers to beat Dublin.
Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts:8147 - 02/08/2016 01:35:20
This is probably the best team i have ever seen wearing a blue jersey even the 70's didnt come near. The quality of the panel is immense, the tactical formation of the team is second to none. If they lose it will be beacuse of underperformance. If team and management were around in the naughties the above paragraph would not be written. Having daid that Donegal have some real talented players however man for man they are a good bit behind dublin overall. Donegal will stick with the same defensive mentality which will suit this current team. I believe McCarthy is back and i cant stress enough how vital this player is at sweeping the ball up the pitch all day long.
I think theyll use Paddy Andrews in the first half to ruffle the donegal defense up and mcmenimen in the second to run at a tired defense.
Dublin are 1/6 on to win and really cant see it any other way.
I believe the only team to push them will be tyrone and even then dublin would be that bit ahead in most parts of the pitch.
If Dublin beat Donegal, hopefully, i expect Star to impolde and dublin to march on the second half.
Donegal win on Saturday ill hav egg on my face though
heresam (Dublin) - Posts: 156 - 02/08/2016 11:28:12
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Stupidly optimistic about this game but I've felt all year that we're nowhere near as bad as some would like to make out. However our big problem has been goals, both giving up goal chances and scoring them, so I feel that'll be the difference. You can't allow the kind of space that we've afforded most teams all year (bar Tyrone maybe) in terms of giving them a goal chance, Dublin will eat it up and we all know that goals to Dublin in Croke Park are as good as 2 or 3 scores when it comes to a psychological blow.
For ourselves we haven't been able to get the support in and around Paddy for the majority of the year to get goals ourselves. Something I liked from us early on when we were playing very well in the league was leaving O'Reilly as the second inside forward to support and play on the loop. He seemed to flourish and got a few goals himself if I remember right. Saying that I'd quite like us to leave Murphy and McBrearty up front and have O'Reilly and the McHughs doing the leg work. Defensively I am worried about how many chances we'll give this Dublin team but if we hit the right notes and get a few breaks, you just never know.
I think Dublin wanted us though and I feel they will want to lay down a marker.
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 02/08/2016 11:28:37
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Replying To clondalkindub: "Has the ref been named yet? Some of the frees given in both games on Saturday night for all 4 teams were so soft. Coldrick is the best there is right now so I'd say he has one of the games this Saturday. The nerves are building really excited about this game. Paul Galvin was on Colm Parkinson's podcast yesterday (brilliant podcast btw) saying Dublin will beat Donegal if Donegal go ultra defensive , they've played them too many times since and know what it takes he reckons Donegal should just abandon the defensive system and just go for it." David Gough has the Mayo v Tyrone game and Ciaran Brannigan Dublin v Donegal.
CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 02/08/2016 11:30:57
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Are Donegal going to be happy to be like Cork to win one All-Ireland? If Donegal have any hunger about them at all and if they have the quality people in Ulster suggest, 1 All-Ireland won't say much.
As I've said in another thread, the 4 Regions are no better than they were in '05 to '09.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7879 - 02/08/2016 11:52:14
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Ciaran Brannigan ? Remind what games he's done in the past ?
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 02/08/2016 12:01:55
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Replying To legendzxix: "Are Donegal going to be happy to be like Cork to win one All-Ireland? If Donegal have any hunger about them at all and if they have the quality people in Ulster suggest, 1 All-Ireland won't say much.
As I've said in another thread, the 4 Regions are no better than they were in '05 to '09." No not at all and we've left a couple of Ulster titles behind us as well. The people of Donegal know what this team has done for football in the county but unfortunately they won't get that acknowledgement nationally unless we get another All-Ireland in our back pocket I feel.
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 02/08/2016 12:36:15
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Replying To legendzxix: "Are Donegal going to be happy to be like Cork to win one All-Ireland? If Donegal have any hunger about them at all and if they have the quality people in Ulster suggest, 1 All-Ireland won't say much.
As I've said in another thread, the 4 Regions are no better than they were in '05 to '09." It's not quite as easy to notch up multiple All-Irelands when Ulster teams don't have the luxury of playing Clare twice and Tipperary once to get into an All-Ireland semi-final.
greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 427 - 02/08/2016 12:45:26
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Well well! We go again! I was hoping that this would be the final but it wasn't to be after us losing to Tyrone. I fancied our chances of making the final had we overcome the Redhands but c'est la vie.
I think Dublin will definitely be less tactically naive this time around. We won't be afforded the freedom of Croke Park to run straight through the middle of your defence like in 2014. Something different will be required this time around that will force Dublin into a rethink. If we can force Dublin to play on our terms (easier said than done) then we have a chance.
Dublin haven't really been tested this year so there's a chance they might be undercooked. And as Tomas O'Se said on TSG, the sight of the blue jersey in a packed Croke Park might just be enough incentive for our boys to deliver a season best performance. It'll need to be. Anything less than a complete performance probably won't be enough to beat this Dublin team.
So all in all, cautiously optimistic but also realistic enough to appreciate the enormity of the task ahead of us!" Good post ..
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 02/08/2016 12:56:09
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Obsessed with Regions that lad is.
JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 02/08/2016 13:02:12
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Keep the Dubs from scoring goals and Donegal have a great chance of winning this. They only lost Ulster by the slimmest of margins and gave a really good account of themselves against Cork. They also have the experience of beating Dublin in a full Croke Park so they will have no fear whatsoever. All the pressure is on Dublin and I'm not sure, without 3 of their best players, that they'll have enough to win it again.
Donegal have all the right players to cause Dublin all the worries they don't want.
Dublins full back line is there to be got at, it has been for a long time. I don't see Gallagher being brave enough to move Michael Murphy into the full forward line for a big part of this game. Donegal have the forwards that can physically impose themselves and under high ball without Rory O'Carroll I think Dublin might struggle to contain Donegal in one on ones, especially if McBrearty can replicate the same performance he did at the weekend.
Donegals best chance will be to try to get an early goal. This will start the doubts setting in, Dublin haven't had to ask any questions of themselves since the All Ireland final so now is the perfect time for Donegal to get them. Recovery has a big part to play for Donegal as 6 days is quite a short turn around and this is their biggest weakness.
Going back to the pressure that's on Dublin, can you imagine what it's like for the Dublin forwards if they're chasing scores with 20 minutes to go and they're facing that Donegal defence. Players like Dean Rock, Kevin McMannamon and Paul Mannion are great when they have space to move into or isolate their marker in one on ones but I for one think that these boys get very one dimensional when forced out of their comfort zone or the game doesn't open up. Mick McCauley is fairly ineffectual against teams like Donegal as his game is all about running in straight at the heart of the opposition and breaking lines. Dublin will really miss McCarthy and McCaffrey for this one, they are Dublins greatest strengths against blanket defensive teams. Both have pace and strength to burst through opposition lines. McCarthy has also put in terrific shifts when man marking Michael Murphy like he did in the league this year, he is a massive loss if he's unfit. He's arguably the best half back in the country.
If the game doesn't open up and turns into a war of attrition I'm giving Donegal the nod.
keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 02/08/2016 13:45:51
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Replying To keithlemon: "Keep the Dubs from scoring goals and Donegal have a great chance of winning this. They only lost Ulster by the slimmest of margins and gave a really good account of themselves against Cork. They also have the experience of beating Dublin in a full Croke Park so they will have no fear whatsoever. All the pressure is on Dublin and I'm not sure, without 3 of their best players, that they'll have enough to win it again.
Donegal have all the right players to cause Dublin all the worries they don't want.
Dublins full back line is there to be got at, it has been for a long time. I don't see Gallagher being brave enough to move Michael Murphy into the full forward line for a big part of this game. Donegal have the forwards that can physically impose themselves and under high ball without Rory O'Carroll I think Dublin might struggle to contain Donegal in one on ones, especially if McBrearty can replicate the same performance he did at the weekend.
Donegals best chance will be to try to get an early goal. This will start the doubts setting in, Dublin haven't had to ask any questions of themselves since the All Ireland final so now is the perfect time for Donegal to get them. Recovery has a big part to play for Donegal as 6 days is quite a short turn around and this is their biggest weakness.
Going back to the pressure that's on Dublin, can you imagine what it's like for the Dublin forwards if they're chasing scores with 20 minutes to go and they're facing that Donegal defence. Players like Dean Rock, Kevin McMannamon and Paul Mannion are great when they have space to move into or isolate their marker in one on ones but I for one think that these boys get very one dimensional when forced out of their comfort zone or the game doesn't open up. Mick McCauley is fairly ineffectual against teams like Donegal as his game is all about running in straight at the heart of the opposition and breaking lines. Dublin will really miss McCarthy and McCaffrey for this one, they are Dublins greatest strengths against blanket defensive teams. Both have pace and strength to burst through opposition lines. McCarthy has also put in terrific shifts when man marking Michael Murphy like he did in the league this year, he is a massive loss if he's unfit. He's arguably the best half back in the country.
If the game doesn't open up and turns into a war of attrition I'm giving Donegal the nod." Donegal won't be tired. That Cork game had zero intensity. Fair analysis but there's lots of "ifs" in it. McBrearty as good as he was last weekend was put under very little pressure. If I say one positive thing about Dublin is that they are relentless in their work rate. Cork fell apart 10 mins into the second half of a game that wasn't played at a hectic pace. Dublin tend to force a hectic pace. Dublin will definitely force the pace more than Cork. Also Donegal played blanket D again Saturday, Dublin are well used to playing it now. Should be a tight encounter though. At this stage it's just exciting to be in games where both teams could lose.
JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 02/08/2016 15:04:39
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Replying To greatpoint: "It's not quite as easy to notch up multiple All-Irelands when Ulster teams don't have the luxury of playing Clare twice and Tipperary once to get into an All-Ireland semi-final." Blarney talk. Division 1 yo-yos tend to be found out in the championship.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7879 - 02/08/2016 15:09:24
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Replying To clondalkindub: "Ciaran Brannigan ? Remind what games he's done in the past ?" He done the connacht final replay, decent ref but sure people will moan whoever does it.
Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 706 - 02/08/2016 15:17:15
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Westmeath showed that this Dublin team can be got at. For 50 mins they got struck in, ruffled them up and put doubts in Dublin and they looked very ordinary...
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Were Dublin not 0-15 to 0-07 up after 50 minutes?
Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 02/08/2016 15:19:12
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Replying To keithlemon: "Keep the Dubs from scoring goals and Donegal have a great chance of winning this. They only lost Ulster by the slimmest of margins and gave a really good account of themselves against Cork. They also have the experience of beating Dublin in a full Croke Park so they will have no fear whatsoever. All the pressure is on Dublin and I'm not sure, without 3 of their best players, that they'll have enough to win it again.
Donegal have all the right players to cause Dublin all the worries they don't want.
Dublins full back line is there to be got at, it has been for a long time. I don't see Gallagher being brave enough to move Michael Murphy into the full forward line for a big part of this game. Donegal have the forwards that can physically impose themselves and under high ball without Rory O'Carroll I think Dublin might struggle to contain Donegal in one on ones, especially if McBrearty can replicate the same performance he did at the weekend.
Donegals best chance will be to try to get an early goal. This will start the doubts setting in, Dublin haven't had to ask any questions of themselves since the All Ireland final so now is the perfect time for Donegal to get them. Recovery has a big part to play for Donegal as 6 days is quite a short turn around and this is their biggest weakness.
Going back to the pressure that's on Dublin, can you imagine what it's like for the Dublin forwards if they're chasing scores with 20 minutes to go and they're facing that Donegal defence. Players like Dean Rock, Kevin McMannamon and Paul Mannion are great when they have space to move into or isolate their marker in one on ones but I for one think that these boys get very one dimensional when forced out of their comfort zone or the game doesn't open up. Mick McCauley is fairly ineffectual against teams like Donegal as his game is all about running in straight at the heart of the opposition and breaking lines. Dublin will really miss McCarthy and McCaffrey for this one, they are Dublins greatest strengths against blanket defensive teams. Both have pace and strength to burst through opposition lines. McCarthy has also put in terrific shifts when man marking Michael Murphy like he did in the league this year, he is a massive loss if he's unfit. He's arguably the best half back in the country.
If the game doesn't open up and turns into a war of attrition I'm giving Donegal the nod." Everyone talks about targeting Cluxton's kick outs or targeting the FB line. What about when Dublin target the opposition kick outs or their FB? They have done this very successfully in recent years.
Peadar Andrews will be in the team ahead of young Mannion and is a great ball winner and point taker. Kev Mc may again revert to the bench to accommodate Andrews. Kev has been in great form this year but would not mind him being sprung from the bench. Yes Dublin have lost very good players but they will have learned from 2014. Greater discipline in defence and will rely on their forwards to outscore Donegals. Should be a great game.
poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 02/08/2016 15:33:46
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Replying To JayP: "Obsessed with Regions that lad is." Au contraire Rodders! We're having a few years on the quiet side having neglected our youth and all that.
Sure we all know the 4 Regions aren't any better than '05 to '09. Mayo And Donegal's inability so far to offer much of a challenge is surprising. Mayo don't have the qualities of old Galway teams. Donegal haven't had the quality of old Tyrone teams.
Tyrone might be on the way back. Mickey Harte might have a team capable of back-to-back titles if they get near the levels of '03 to '09 as there's noone else on or near that level.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7879 - 02/08/2016 15:34:19
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