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There is an intriguing clash next Saturday which serves up many points of interest - just a few
1) Gavin learned from 2014 so the same gaps won't exist in their halfback line for Ryan Mchugh
2) who do Dublin try and isolate and restrict Based on history Murphy and Ryan Mchugh - based on yesterday Mcbrearty and Eoin Mchugh and that still leaves mcniallias
3) will Dublin press on Donegal kick outs and force the long ball - Worked for Tyrone and Cork
4) will Donegal try and test Cooper v Murphy or will murphy act as plAymaker or decoy for mcbrearty
5) Mcbrearty wont get red carpet treatment he got v cork from likes of Philly McMAhon
6) ageing Donegal HB line Mcglynn Lacey Thompson - struggled in first 20 minutes in 2014 v Flynn and Connolly / can't see this being any better now for Donegal
7) run at Donegal causes problems - what about KMAC
8) Donegal are goal leaky this year - Brogan has never got much space V Donegal but could this be his year and it would be if Donegal give even half the space they gave Cork
9) will Gallagher have an ego moment and try and outdo Jim 2011 and think he can go for a shut out - full double decker park the coach
And many more / should the thread think about these and other challenges rather than who got the most hilarity from Kerry winning the 2014 All Ireland - Are we really using a Kieran Donaghy fluke goal as the main point of argument ?
ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 01/08/2016 00:14:45
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There is an intriguing clash next Saturday which serves up many points of interest - just a few
1) Gavin learned from 2014 so the same gaps won't exist in their halfback line for Ryan Mchugh
2) who do Dublin try and isolate and restrict Based on history Murphy and Ryan Mchugh - based on yesterday Mcbrearty and Eoin Mchugh and that still leaves mcniallias
3) will Dublin press on Donegal kick outs and force the long ball - Worked for Tyrone and Cork
4) will Donegal try and test Cooper v Murphy or will murphy act as plAymaker or decoy for mcbrearty
5) Mcbrearty wont get red carpet treatment he got v cork from likes of Philly McMAhon
6) ageing Donegal HB line Mcglynn Lacey Thompson - struggled in first 20 minutes in 2014 v Flynn and Connolly / can't see this being any better now for Donegal
7) run at Donegal causes problems - what about KMAC
8) Donegal are goal leaky this year - Brogan has never got much space V Donegal but could this be his year and it would be if Donegal give even half the space they gave Cork
9) will Gallagher have an ego moment and try and outdo Jim 2011 and think he can go for a shut out - full double decker park the coach
And many more / should the thread think about these and other challenges rather than who got the most hilarity from Kerry winning the 2014 All Ireland - Are we really using a Kieran Donaghy fluke goal as the main point of argument ?
ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 01/08/2016 00:17:46
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How Donegal manage their own kick outs will be a big factor in how they do in this game.
Without Neil Gallagher we are being killed on long kickouts & have tended to go short 80% of the time. Dublin are however superb at pressing high up the field & I can see disaster if we go that route.
For me we have to go longc& MM is going to have to have the game of his life in the middle of the field.
MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 01/08/2016 10:55:05
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Tipperary have shown the way for all qualifiers. Donegal can't have any excuses if they come up short.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7879 - 01/08/2016 12:07:26
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Replying To JayP: "You seem to think if you keep saying it we will get offended? We lost, but your lads came up short in a Final. That must of hurt.
Best of luck Saturday.
Should be a great game, you'll need to up your "wit" for pre and post game. It's lacking." Who made you judge of what qualifies as comedy? You're a bit sensitive alright to what happened you's in 2014, whether I mention it or not.
Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 01/08/2016 12:25:20
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Replying To ruanua: "There is an intriguing clash next Saturday which serves up many points of interest - just a few
1) Gavin learned from 2014 so the same gaps won't exist in their halfback line for Ryan Mchugh
2) who do Dublin try and isolate and restrict Based on history Murphy and Ryan Mchugh - based on yesterday Mcbrearty and Eoin Mchugh and that still leaves mcniallias
3) will Dublin press on Donegal kick outs and force the long ball - Worked for Tyrone and Cork
4) will Donegal try and test Cooper v Murphy or will murphy act as plAymaker or decoy for mcbrearty
5) Mcbrearty wont get red carpet treatment he got v cork from likes of Philly McMAhon
6) ageing Donegal HB line Mcglynn Lacey Thompson - struggled in first 20 minutes in 2014 v Flynn and Connolly / can't see this being any better now for Donegal
7) run at Donegal causes problems - what about KMAC
8) Donegal are goal leaky this year - Brogan has never got much space V Donegal but could this be his year and it would be if Donegal give even half the space they gave Cork
9) will Gallagher have an ego moment and try and outdo Jim 2011 and think he can go for a shut out - full double decker park the coach
And many more / should the thread think about these and other challenges rather than who got the most hilarity from Kerry winning the 2014 All Ireland - Are we really using a Kieran Donaghy fluke goal as the main point of argument ?" A ssign ofhow things have changed is how no longer i fear MM or colm mcf etc. Odhran mcniallais is the one i fear/respect Wat a player. From good player to superstar in 18 months
Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 01/08/2016 12:47:25
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Replying To Donegal_abroad: "Who made you judge of what qualifies as comedy? You're a bit sensitive alright to what happened you's in 2014, whether I mention it or not." Look, this is going a bit sideways now this chat. I'll refrain from here as I would prefer to talk football. I took exception with a few arrogant comments from a few Dublin posters and engaged in a bit of banter but there's a bit of hardness and raw nerves hit with some so I'll leave it at that.
Dublin are big favourites and with clear reason.
This is not 2014.
We don't have Jim McGuinness.
The 3 players who were most pivotal to beating Dublin in 2014, in my view, were Neil Gallagher, Michael Murphy and Paul Durcan. 2 of themare not playing this weekend and Murphy is not performing where we need him to be. I feel he is carrying an injury all the time and that Rory Gallagher is horsing him through games because he feels we won't survive without him. Which is dodgy thinking if it's the case.
We are facing our 6th serious game in a short enough space of time. Dublin have had a 3 week break and easier games.
Dublin now have a serious defence-attack balance which they didn't have in 2014. They have beaten Donegal easily in the 2 league meetings this year and Donegal didn't have any answers.
Dublin's energy is relentless, they transition from defence to attack better than anyone else right now. In Brogan, Kilkenny and Andrews they have a serious force. Throw in Rock, McManamon... Well, they've an array of clinical finishers.
Dublin will win this game by 8/9 points in my opinion.
Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 01/08/2016 13:00:48
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Can I ask people to please stop rabbitting on about 2014?
It bears no relation to this game & only makes us sound like our Northern brethren harping on about 1690 or even worse English supporters fondly remembering 1966.
I'm looking forward to what will be another great occasion between Dublin & Donegal part of what is becoming a great rivalry.
MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 01/08/2016 13:06:59
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Replying To Donegal_abroad: "Look, this is going a bit sideways now this chat. I'll refrain from here as I would prefer to talk football. I took exception with a few arrogant comments from a few Dublin posters and engaged in a bit of banter but there's a bit of hardness and raw nerves hit with some so I'll leave it at that.
Dublin are big favourites and with clear reason.
This is not 2014.
We don't have Jim McGuinness.
The 3 players who were most pivotal to beating Dublin in 2014, in my view, were Neil Gallagher, Michael Murphy and Paul Durcan. 2 of themare not playing this weekend and Murphy is not performing where we need him to be. I feel he is carrying an injury all the time and that Rory Gallagher is horsing him through games because he feels we won't survive without him. Which is dodgy thinking if it's the case.
We are facing our 6th serious game in a short enough space of time. Dublin have had a 3 week break and easier games.
Dublin now have a serious defence-attack balance which they didn't have in 2014. They have beaten Donegal easily in the 2 league meetings this year and Donegal didn't have any answers.
Dublin's energy is relentless, they transition from defence to attack better than anyone else right now. In Brogan, Kilkenny and Andrews they have a serious force. Throw in Rock, McManamon... Well, they've an array of clinical finishers.
Dublin will win this game by 8/9 points in my opinion." Hopefully yea.
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 01/08/2016 13:07:27
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Replying To Donegal_abroad: "Look, this is going a bit sideways now this chat. I'll refrain from here as I would prefer to talk football. I took exception with a few arrogant comments from a few Dublin posters and engaged in a bit of banter but there's a bit of hardness and raw nerves hit with some so I'll leave it at that.
Dublin are big favourites and with clear reason.
This is not 2014.
We don't have Jim McGuinness.
The 3 players who were most pivotal to beating Dublin in 2014, in my view, were Neil Gallagher, Michael Murphy and Paul Durcan. 2 of themare not playing this weekend and Murphy is not performing where we need him to be. I feel he is carrying an injury all the time and that Rory Gallagher is horsing him through games because he feels we won't survive without him. Which is dodgy thinking if it's the case.
We are facing our 6th serious game in a short enough space of time. Dublin have had a 3 week break and easier games.
Dublin now have a serious defence-attack balance which they didn't have in 2014. They have beaten Donegal easily in the 2 league meetings this year and Donegal didn't have any answers.
Dublin's energy is relentless, they transition from defence to attack better than anyone else right now. In Brogan, Kilkenny and Andrews they have a serious force. Throw in Rock, McManamon... Well, they've an array of clinical finishers.
Dublin will win this game by 8/9 points in my opinion." You say you hit a nerve? We laughed you off! You were trying to re-ignite the spirit of 2014 to rub us Dubs up. We just reminded you Donegal lost the Final in 2014. Pretty clean and clear. We also said Dublin have won 5 of the 6 major trophies on offer since that day....and still have a chance of 6 from 6. Whether they win the All Ireland is another story altogether.
I couldnt care less about 2014. Dublin didnt win the All Ireland that year..... but Donegal didnt either. But Dublins record since then suggests they didnt dwell on 2014, and as a fan I didnt. It is amusing you think it bothers us!
The game will be intriguing on Saturday. Anybody who suggests Donegal had a tough outing against Cork is bonkers. It was played at challenge game pace with no intenisty or physicality. Donegal won it but it was probably mentally hard after the Ulster loss to get themselves up for it. I expect a more frantic Donegal against Dublin. And tiredness wont be a factor. Cork ran through the Donegal blanket quite easily but I expect there to be a brute physicality this week. McBrearty will have to play well. How the game is refereed will be a huge factor too. Its a huge game. Whether people like it or not.....the five teams we expected to see in August are still there. The real championship is starting.
JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 01/08/2016 13:25:28
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Replying To Donegal_abroad: "Look, this is going a bit sideways now this chat. I'll refrain from here as I would prefer to talk football. I took exception with a few arrogant comments from a few Dublin posters and engaged in a bit of banter but there's a bit of hardness and raw nerves hit with some so I'll leave it at that.
Dublin are big favourites and with clear reason.
This is not 2014.
We don't have Jim McGuinness.
The 3 players who were most pivotal to beating Dublin in 2014, in my view, were Neil Gallagher, Michael Murphy and Paul Durcan. 2 of themare not playing this weekend and Murphy is not performing where we need him to be. I feel he is carrying an injury all the time and that Rory Gallagher is horsing him through games because he feels we won't survive without him. Which is dodgy thinking if it's the case.
We are facing our 6th serious game in a short enough space of time. Dublin have had a 3 week break and easier games.
Dublin now have a serious defence-attack balance which they didn't have in 2014. They have beaten Donegal easily in the 2 league meetings this year and Donegal didn't have any answers.
Dublin's energy is relentless, they transition from defence to attack better than anyone else right now. In Brogan, Kilkenny and Andrews they have a serious force. Throw in Rock, McManamon... Well, they've an array of clinical finishers.
Dublin will win this game by 8/9 points in my opinion." Good and balanced post. My concern would be that Dublin can't afford to continue to lose first choice defenders. Yes they have a forward unit as good as anyone's left but they will need to provide some level of cover for their defence by half forwards covering back. Donegal showed admirable qualities to beat cork and some of their point scoring was first class. Sometimes I wonder if they showed a little more trust in their attacking play would it serve them better. My prediction would be a Dublin win but not without one hell of a battle. Two teams that have been on the go for over 5 years that owe nothing to either set of supporters.
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Replying To JayP: "You say you hit a nerve? We laughed you off! You were trying to re-ignite the spirit of 2014 to rub us Dubs up. We just reminded you Donegal lost the Final in 2014. Pretty clean and clear. We also said Dublin have won 5 of the 6 major trophies on offer since that day....and still have a chance of 6 from 6. Whether they win the All Ireland is another story altogether.
I couldnt care less about 2014. Dublin didnt win the All Ireland that year..... but Donegal didnt either. But Dublins record since then suggests they didnt dwell on 2014, and as a fan I didnt. It is amusing you think it bothers us!
The game will be intriguing on Saturday. Anybody who suggests Donegal had a tough outing against Cork is bonkers. It was played at challenge game pace with no intenisty or physicality. Donegal won it but it was probably mentally hard after the Ulster loss to get themselves up for it. I expect a more frantic Donegal against Dublin. And tiredness wont be a factor. Cork ran through the Donegal blanket quite easily but I expect there to be a brute physicality this week. McBrearty will have to play well. How the game is refereed will be a huge factor too. Its a huge game. Whether people like it or not.....the five teams we expected to see in August are still there. The real championship is starting." Didn't laugh me off at all, sounded pretty tetchy to me.
Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 01/08/2016 13:39:03
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Im looking forward to this game, despite what my head is telling me. I think that 2015 is a very real and raw memory, as is 2013. 2015 is more relevant as we have the same manager and almost an identical run of games leading up to the match. I have got to laugh at some posters and pundits who think that all the extra games are an advantage. Maybe so if you have a panel of 30 and can stagger your matches every few weeks. If you told a donegal player that they would be ulster champs if they beat antrim at home, and then derry at home,then play antrim in croke park to get to an all ireland semi, they would think that they were being wound up.
I do think that if we hit our very best form, start Leo, somehow get our kickouts to work around the mid field problem, then we are in with a shout. The resaon? McBrearty has finally hit form. I also believe we have at least 2 others who can cause an awful lot of trouble. We will see.
ps, I really enjoy our games with the dubs, and for me, croke park is the only place to play them, for it brings out a very special day in the gaa calendar. Gracious in victory as in defeat has been my experience of them.
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Replying To Donegalman: "Im looking forward to this game, despite what my head is telling me. I think that 2015 is a very real and raw memory, as is 2013. 2015 is more relevant as we have the same manager and almost an identical run of games leading up to the match. I have got to laugh at some posters and pundits who think that all the extra games are an advantage. Maybe so if you have a panel of 30 and can stagger your matches every few weeks. If you told a donegal player that they would be ulster champs if they beat antrim at home, and then derry at home,then play antrim in croke park to get to an all ireland semi, they would think that they were being wound up.
I do think that if we hit our very best form, start Leo, somehow get our kickouts to work around the mid field problem, then we are in with a shout. The resaon? McBrearty has finally hit form. I also believe we have at least 2 others who can cause an awful lot of trouble. We will see.
ps, I really enjoy our games with the dubs, and for me, croke park is the only place to play them, for it brings out a very special day in the gaa calendar. Gracious in victory as in defeat has been my experience of them." Don't think the Cork game was a physically grueling encounter. They hardly put a hand on each other. Challenge game pace to it.
Donegal should be physically fine for Saturday.
JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 01/08/2016 14:19:16
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Replying To Liamwalkinstown: "A ssign ofhow things have changed is how no longer i fear MM or colm mcf etc. Odhran mcniallais is the one i fear/respect Wat a player. From good player to superstar in 18 months " Certainly one of the most stylish players that has worn a Donegal jersey - Reminds me a bit of Joyce McMullan - My reservation however is that on occasion he has a very -very quiet game which in the Donegal game plan is a problem as his defensive work rate might not match McCloone or a 30 minute shift from Christy Toye but when he is on form he is a great source for 2-3 long range points and also tends to make good runs to pick up the odd goal
ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 01/08/2016 14:34:07
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Replying To MuckrossHead: "Can I ask people to please stop rabbitting on about 2014?
It bears no relation to this game & only makes us sound like our Northern brethren harping on about 1690 or even worse English supporters fondly remembering 1966.
I'm looking forward to what will be another great occasion between Dublin & Donegal part of what is becoming a great rivalry." Good point Muckross, I can't see us winning for a few reasons, number one is tiredness and lack of time to prepare, we are disastrous at midfield, Kav is long past his best and McElhinney is not going well at all,thought he was very poor against Cork, so the kickouts have to be precise and short and that can go badly wrong,
Murph is obviously playing with some sort of injury,he isn't moving and his kicking is also badly off at times, I suspect in years to come if he ever writes a book we'll hear the truth.
Even if we were at full strength,with big Neil at midfield we'd still be the underdogs, the Dubs will be fresh and dare I say it with the memory of 2014 in their minds they will be out to put in a big performance, so that leaves me thinking that I hope we put up a good show and don't get a hammering. I can only see one winner.
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I think this Dublin team will beat Donegal. The good thing is that we need to prepare correctly for this, especially mentally. For the first time this year.
Have more fear of Donegal than Kerry
witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 01/08/2016 17:26:46
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Dublin will beat Donegal after a tough battle.The game will bring us on.
Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 01/08/2016 17:45:13
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Dublin will win handily, imo. It might be close in the first half and possibly low scoring due to Donegal's defensive structure, but Dublin will pull away in the second half. I don't think a 2014-like ambush is realistically on the cards. McGuinness had Donegal prepped for a match up with the Dubs that year and completely out-foxed Jim Gavin. Rory Gallagher is no McGuinness, I'm afraid.
ZeitChrist (UK) - Posts: 154 - 01/08/2016 18:42:14
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Replying To Adamski: "Good and balanced post. My concern would be that Dublin can't afford to continue to lose first choice defenders. Yes they have a forward unit as good as anyone's left but they will need to provide some level of cover for their defence by half forwards covering back. Donegal showed admirable qualities to beat cork and some of their point scoring was first class. Sometimes I wonder if they showed a little more trust in their attacking play would it serve them better. My prediction would be a Dublin win but not without one hell of a battle. Two teams that have been on the go for over 5 years that owe nothing to either set of supporters." Bit of sense in your post Adamski. I expect it to be tight but it could also be a high scoring game. We need goals and we have got none in the last three games nor looked liked getting one. But ( and it's a big BUT) if things fall right you never know. Plus there is a guy on here who does not fear MM but he might well do Sat night.
I'm heading back on Sat morning and stay Sat night then back to London Sunday.
But isn't it great to be there on Sat night and the game we are in v Dublin Massive team plus the atmosphere with all the dubs on the hill Could not ask for better and this is definitely a big game. Even though Dublin have beaten us I have great memories of our battles and our great victories over them. Bet the rest of the country will be wishing they could be there -- stepping into the big bowl to go toe to toe with the mighty dubs. I won't rule us out but I am heading back knowing that we can get well beat. But I hope Donegal performs and takes Dublin to the wire. Looking forward to a massive game
SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 01/08/2016 21:32:06
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