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No contest, for me it was the Tyrone team of 03 who won everything that year. Then had the tragedy of losing their captain. I think they would have won two more all Ireland's had he lived because he was a presence and a leader that simply couldn't be replaced.

galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts: 226 - 27/07/2016 21:44:42    1891240

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Our best players won't commit to
playing for us at the minute so its
an uphill struggle for us to compete
now.
REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts:1326 - 27/07/2016 21:43:42

There seems to be conflicting reports from Down, with former players saying they aren't being called up, while management says some won't answer the call or are injured.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 27/07/2016 22:25:41    1891272

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "Under the old system you had to peak every given
day. The qualifiers provided a much easier route to
final like for ourselves in 2010. They provided a get
out of jail free card. With the lack of strength in depth
in the 2000s it was a fairly straightforward run to the
quarter finals."
it was a much easier route before the qualifiers..you had to play less games and could often draw a weak side in the semis..look at some years where leitrim made the semi final for example no disrespect to them but come on....you are obsessed about this qualifier thing...is this what people in down are like?..bitter over what tyrone achieved?...they won 3 all irelands and could have won more...you play the competition in the rules set out for you, the all ireland winner is the all ireland winner simple as...there was simply nobody close to kerry in the 00s in the 90s and tyrone beat that team 3 seperate times...you ignore that the 90s were down were strong had no strong kerry team

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 27/07/2016 23:11:23    1891289

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Replying To alano12:  "it was a much easier route before the qualifiers..you had to play less games and could often draw a weak side in the semis..look at some years where leitrim made the semi final for example no disrespect to them but come on....you are obsessed about this qualifier thing...is this what people in down are like?..bitter over what tyrone achieved?...they won 3 all irelands and could have won more...you play the competition in the rules set out for you, the all ireland winner is the all ireland winner simple as...there was simply nobody close to kerry in the 00s in the 90s and tyrone beat that team 3 seperate times...you ignore that the 90s were down were strong had no strong kerry team"
No I couldn't care less about Tyrone.
I will admit I don't like them but I
never liked them even when they
unable to win on the national stage.
I think they had a very good side but
this debate is not about Down and
Tyrone but merely about how being
able to lose a match makes it much
easier. Sure I have too much misty
eyed nostalgia to worry about anyone
else... lol

You seem to have an agenda here as
you know if you can lose and get a
second chance that negates some of
the difficulty. I never said Down's
achievements were better I said it was
a close call an argument could be made
for either team. Reflect on this when
Down won their All Irelands Ulster was
stronger than its ever been so it was a
great achievement to win two All Irelands
in that period however much you down
play it.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 28/07/2016 00:34:56    1891305

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Replying To GaryMc82:  "Our best players won't commit to
playing for us at the minute so its
an uphill struggle for us to compete
now.
REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts:1326 - 27/07/2016 21:43:42

There seems to be conflicting reports from Down, with former players saying they aren't being called up, while management says some won't answer the call or are injured."
I think its more the latter Gary.Players
are opting out for various reasons.

Laverty, Madine, Mooney, Clarke etc etc.
Whatever the reason without our best
players we can't really expect to compete
unless these players commit.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 28/07/2016 00:42:29    1891306

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Colm O' Rourke 1975 to 1995.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1351 - 28/07/2016 07:03:45    1891312

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "No I couldn't care less about Tyrone.
I will admit I don't like them but I
never liked them even when they
unable to win on the national stage.
I think they had a very good side but
this debate is not about Down and
Tyrone but merely about how being
able to lose a match makes it much
easier. Sure I have too much misty
eyed nostalgia to worry about anyone
else... lol

You seem to have an agenda here as
you know if you can lose and get a
second chance that negates some of
the difficulty. I never said Down's
achievements were better I said it was
a close call an argument could be made
for either team. Reflect on this when
Down won their All Irelands Ulster was
stronger than its ever been so it was a
great achievement to win two All Irelands
in that period however much you down
play it."
Under the old system, Tyrone would now be facing Galway in an AI semi-final.

Under the new system, Tyrone will probably have to beat a very dangerous Mayo side, before we would be able to progress to play Galway in the semi.

Which is path would be more difficult for Tyrone?

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 28/07/2016 11:37:32    1891419

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "No I couldn't care less about Tyrone.
I will admit I don't like them but I
never liked them even when they
unable to win on the national stage.
I think they had a very good side but
this debate is not about Down and
Tyrone but merely about how being
able to lose a match makes it much
easier. Sure I have too much misty
eyed nostalgia to worry about anyone
else... lol

You seem to have an agenda here as
you know if you can lose and get a
second chance that negates some of
the difficulty. I never said Down's
achievements were better I said it was
a close call an argument could be made
for either team. Reflect on this when
Down won their All Irelands Ulster was
stronger than its ever been so it was a
great achievement to win two All Irelands
in that period however much you down
play it."
This guy is a laugh, at least he admits he hates Tyrone and jealous of current success. The rest won't admit it.

Your current crop of players aren't playinga s they can't hack the modern game simple as. All very well for benny to say he would love to be playing but hates the gym.

I any event bring back Mooney, Benny, Gordon, Madine and Laverty and yous would still be exactly where you are. Other teams in ulster would run the legs of ye.

I think the majority say tyrone here so take your beating and slide on, you should be used to it with 11 straight losses this year

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 28/07/2016 11:55:23    1891436

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "No I couldn't care less about Tyrone.
I will admit I don't like them but I
never liked them even when they
unable to win on the national stage.
I think they had a very good side but
this debate is not about Down and
Tyrone but merely about how being
able to lose a match makes it much
easier. Sure I have too much misty
eyed nostalgia to worry about anyone
else... lol

You seem to have an agenda here as
you know if you can lose and get a
second chance that negates some of
the difficulty. I never said Down's
achievements were better I said it was
a close call an argument could be made
for either team. Reflect on this when
Down won their All Irelands Ulster was
stronger than its ever been so it was a
great achievement to win two All Irelands
in that period however much you down
play it."
you are bitter over tyrones success and the fact that they were a superior side..reality is armagh were probably superior to down also...as a previous poster mentioned, tyrone are facing mayo instead of galway its looking likely which is a lot more difficult. tyrone have had to play dublin in quarter finals on 4 occasions in recent years by my count?...the reality is the qualifier route is much tougher, often a team had a cakewalk to the final before the qualifiers if they avoided kerry or a strong cork side

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 28/07/2016 12:51:52    1891470

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Replying To Thomas Clarke:  "Under the old system, Tyrone would now be facing Galway in an AI semi-final.

Under the new system, Tyrone will probably have to beat a very dangerous Mayo side, before we would be able to progress to play Galway in the semi.

Which is path would be more difficult for Tyrone?"
But you could afford an early defeat and still win??? Under
the old system you would have had a scrap with Armagh
in the 2000s just to get out of Ulster ???? They were
collecting Ulsters for fun in that period. Ulster is a
minefield and any team can slip up easily.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 28/07/2016 13:23:17    1891488

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Replying To Thomas Clarke:  "Under the old system, Tyrone would now be facing Galway in an AI semi-final.

Under the new system, Tyrone will probably have to beat a very dangerous Mayo side, before we would be able to progress to play Galway in the semi.

Which is path would be more difficult for Tyrone?"
Equally under the old system Donegal would be out. Under the new system they are in a quater final. Which would you prefer?

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 28/07/2016 13:40:18    1891502

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Replying To redhanddefender:  "This guy is a laugh, at least he admits he hates Tyrone and jealous of current success. The rest won't admit it.

Your current crop of players aren't playinga s they can't hack the modern game simple as. All very well for benny to say he would love to be playing but hates the gym.

I any event bring back Mooney, Benny, Gordon, Madine and Laverty and yous would still be exactly where you are. Other teams in ulster would run the legs of ye.

I think the majority say tyrone here so take your beating and slide on, you should be used to it with 11 straight losses this year"
I said that I didn't like Tyrone. I never said I was jealous
of your success. We have had two great teams in our
history so Im not to worry about a county who has
achieved less than ourselves throughout history. That
wouldn't make any sense. Besides there were many
in Tyrone that hated Down's success in the past and
they won't admit it. The GAA didn't begin in 2003!!!!

I have no problem with people who say Down were better
or Tyrone were better. Down won 2 undefeated, Tyrone
won 3 1 undefeated under a more advantageous system.
You slag off the current Down side and were not in a
good moment but we had been there and won 5 All
Irelands before Tyrone even came to the party. We have
the better history and that is indisputable.

Anyway we are going around in circles so everyone is
entitled to their own opinion who was the better team.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 28/07/2016 13:41:53    1891503

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Replying To GaryMc82:  "Our best players won't commit to
playing for us at the minute so its
an uphill struggle for us to compete
now.
REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts:1326 - 27/07/2016 21:43:42

There seems to be conflicting reports from Down, with former players saying they aren't being called up, while management says some won't answer the call or are injured."
There are a combination of reasons for why players are turning their backs on Down:

1) The treatment of Jim McCorry last season by the county board.
2) A lack of commitment, due to personal reasons, family and work.
3) Poor attitude. A few players left during the league to lack of game time and poor results.
4) Injuries. Most notably the two Johnson brothers, Jerome and Ryan. Both classy footballers.
5) A lack of vision for the future, as a result of a stagnant county board/ executive. A lack of investment . Poor underage structures.

However, players we could see back in the Down colours next season include Caolan Mooney, Niall Madine, Conor Laverty, Marty Clarke, Arthur McConville, Peter Fitzpatrick, Luke Horward, Jerome and Ryan Johnson.

Down have been rightly ridiculed for results this season. 11 defeats in a row as mentioned above. But I couldn't disagree more with the Tyrone poster saying that Down would be no better if these players were available. Down will always produce quality footballers with or without investment, proper underage structures, a strategic vision for the future. But if we did implement structures similar to Tyrone, Cavan, Roscommon, Tipperary, we would be in a position to compete at the the top level more regularly.

But mark my words, Down will be back. And for those kicking us while we're down, just remember how sh*t Down were in the 70's and 80's, before we exploded into life in the early 90's. Every team has their day in the sun.

MourneArmy (Down) - Posts: 1787 - 28/07/2016 13:52:46    1891510

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Replying To redhanddefender:  "This guy is a laugh, at least he admits he hates Tyrone and jealous of current success. The rest won't admit it.

Your current crop of players aren't playinga s they can't hack the modern game simple as. All very well for benny to say he would love to be playing but hates the gym.

I any event bring back Mooney, Benny, Gordon, Madine and Laverty and yous would still be exactly where you are. Other teams in ulster would run the legs of ye.

I think the majority say tyrone here so take your beating and slide on, you should be used to it with 11 straight losses this year"
Fairly hateful comment, what's the need for it?

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 427 - 28/07/2016 14:03:38    1891515

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Replying To alano12:  "you are bitter over tyrones success and the fact that they were a superior side..reality is armagh were probably superior to down also...as a previous poster mentioned, tyrone are facing mayo instead of galway its looking likely which is a lot more difficult. tyrone have had to play dublin in quarter finals on 4 occasions in recent years by my count?...the reality is the qualifier route is much tougher, often a team had a cakewalk to the final before the qualifiers if they avoided kerry or a strong cork side"
No im not bitter about anything. Your starting to try
to stir things up. Answer this question who has the
best record throughout history? ??? Down or Tyrone???
5 All Irelands to 3. The 2000s are history now too.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 28/07/2016 14:17:20    1891520

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "No im not bitter about anything. Your starting to try
to stir things up. Answer this question who has the
best record throughout history? ??? Down or Tyrone???
5 All Irelands to 3. The 2000s are history now too."
Let's be honest you are very bitter and it's so obvious from your multitude of anti-Tyrone posts - it's almost a fixation. It's also impacting your eyesight as this thread is about last 30 years not all of time.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 28/07/2016 14:23:01    1891526

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Tyrone 05 for me. Toughest All Ireland to win, especially when you think of the amount of games they played to win it.
Ulster was an absolute minefield that year, teams were tearing shreds out of each other, the semi final against Cavan was a dour affair. but the replay was Tyrone at the very best, clocking up 3-19 showed serious attacking threat. They chalked up 2-18 against Dublin the quarter final replay too, proof that their game wasn't all about the swarm defence.
They beat the best teams in the championship to win it, you only have to look at the Armagh and Kerry matches not to mention the mettle they showed when they came out in the second half against Dublin in the quarter final when down by 5 points

People were talking about the sensitive posters from Dublin, Daragh Maloney shouting "MULLIGAN" will always send a shudder down their spine

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 28/07/2016 14:34:49    1891534

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Replying To IrishGael3:  "Let's be honest you are very bitter and it's so obvious from your multitude of anti-Tyrone posts - it's almost a fixation. It's also impacting your eyesight as this thread is about last 30 years not all of time."
I haven't slighted them in any way on this thread. I
acknowledged they were a very good side???? I
said I don't like them but I didn't like them even
back in the early 90s when Down were the top
team. I just wasn't a fan of 2000s football in
general. Thought it was a bit stale and bland. I
remember Armagh shutting up shop and not
letting Kerry score a point for a long time at the
end of 2002 final. Yet I also acknowledge Armagh
were a very good side didnt like their style of play
either.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 28/07/2016 14:36:29    1891535

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Ha..

If there's one thing I'm remotely decent at on this site

It's start a good big of rowing/debate

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 28/07/2016 14:38:59    1891537

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "No I couldn't care less about Tyrone.
I will admit I don't like them but I
never liked them even when they
unable to win on the national stage.
I think they had a very good side but
this debate is not about Down and
Tyrone but merely about how being
able to lose a match makes it much
easier. Sure I have too much misty
eyed nostalgia to worry about anyone
else... lol

You seem to have an agenda here as
you know if you can lose and get a
second chance that negates some of
the difficulty. I never said Down's
achievements were better I said it was
a close call an argument could be made
for either team. Reflect on this when
Down won their All Irelands Ulster was
stronger than its ever been so it was a
great achievement to win two All Irelands
in that period however much you down
play it."
You do realise down might not have won the all ireland in 91 or 94 had the backdoor existed?it is not easier with the backdoor,tyrone wouldn't have been up for the provincials as much as they could have been!

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 562 - 28/07/2016 14:39:10    1891538

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