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Its a tough one between the Down side of 91 & 94 and the Tyrone team that won 3 out of 6 All Irelands although that team did come through the back door twice. Tyrone would probably just shade it but certainly not a lot in it given Down beat Meath, Cork & Dublin in semi's and final's along the way and they were certainly comfortably the 3 strongest teams outside of Ulster at the time. TheWestIsAwake (UK) - Posts: 529 - 25/07/2016 13:51:29 1889700 Link
There's no point whatsoever if humming and hawing about the back door. It exists and it's the same for everyone. If it didn't exist Tyrone may have won more? Or less? Nobody knows. Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 25/07/2016 13:57:05 1889707 Link
Replying To TheWestIsAwake: "Its a tough one between the Down side of 91 & 94 and the Tyrone team that won 3 out of 6 All Irelands although that team did come through the back door twice. Tyrone would probably just shade it but certainly not a lot in it given Down beat Meath, Cork & Dublin in semi's and final's along the way and they were certainly comfortably the 3 strongest teams outside of Ulster at the time." Yes good post I don't mean to be coming across as anti-Tyrone It just doesn't make sense for a couple of posters to consider that it's not even worth thinking about "It's Tyrone" "No argument" jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 25/07/2016 13:59:12 1889710 Link
I'll give a shout to my own crowd. Donegal 89 to 93. 5 Ulster finals in a row (winning 2 + 1 AI) when Ulster was super competitive. 92 Ulster and AI final performances were fantastic. Won't mention the semi against the Mayo.. In those 30 years Donegal have been in 15 Ulster finals. Only wining 5 of those though. himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 293 - 25/07/2016 14:10:08 1889726 Link
Replying To IrishGael3: "Ok by your rationale lets wipe out the Dublin 25 wins because if teams had have figured out how to beat them then they wouldn't have won - what a ridiculous argument. Back to the point during the noughties Dublin genuinely did believe they could win an AI but constantly got overturned by Tyrone on the big stage - but they were a good team and possibly could have done something if they got over Tyrone." There's a documentary about their 2005 team like. Nothing about the Tyrone team that won 10 matches to win an All Ireland, there are 5 match All Ireland champions out there I remember the papers saying 2008 was "their year" as well Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 25/07/2016 14:14:21 1889732 Link
Well Breff Tyrone were beaten twice in Ulster for two of their AI wins In terms of judging the best Ulster team of the last 30 years That's a significant point jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 25/07/2016 14:23:17 1889740 Link
Tyrone, Down, Donegal, Armagh, Derry in that order. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 25/07/2016 14:24:21 1889741 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Yes good post I don't mean to be coming across as anti-Tyrone It just doesn't make sense for a couple of posters to consider that it's not even worth thinking about "It's Tyrone" "No argument"" It's Tyrone Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 25/07/2016 14:25:09 1889742 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Well Breff Tyrone were beaten twice in Ulster for two of their AI wins In terms of judging the best Ulster team of the last 30 years That's a significant point" Maybe Down may have been beaten had the back door existed? Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 25/07/2016 14:33:44 1889749 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Yes good post I don't mean to be coming across as anti-Tyrone It just doesn't make sense for a couple of posters to consider that it's not even worth thinking about "It's Tyrone" "No argument"" Its nonsense posters coming out with back door doesn't count. When Tyrone won the All Ireland 2005 via back door they had to win 7 games to win All Ireland and in 2008 they had to win 8 games - for Dublin and Kerry back in the day they would have won 4 Irelands with that number of games. Down, Derry, Donegal in early nineties were great teams but the rivalry between Armagh, Kerry and Tyrone in noughties raised the bar big time. That Kerry team are up there with the Golden Years Team and that's from a Kerry perspective. IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 25/07/2016 14:34:20 1889751 Link
I think you'd have to divide it on before and after the back door system came in, hard to believe the great Armagh team only got one Al Ireland, I suppose though it would be hard to pass the Tyrone team that won 3 all Irelands,they were an exceptional team,and had that instinct that Kerry seem to have to win. TirChonaillabu2 (Donegal) - Posts: 344 - 25/07/2016 14:34:23 1889752 Link
Replying To IrishGael3: "Ok by your rationale lets wipe out the Dublin 25 wins because if teams had have figured out how to beat them then they wouldn't have won - what a ridiculous argument. Back to the point during the noughties Dublin genuinely did believe they could win an AI but constantly got overturned by Tyrone on the big stage - but they were a good team and possibly could have done something if they got over Tyrone." Down beat a far better Dublin team in the 90's compared to the version Tyrone beat jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 25/07/2016 14:35:45 1889754 Link
Replying To Breffni39: "It's Tyrone" Even though they were beaten in Ulster for two of their AI wins? jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 25/07/2016 14:36:32 1889755 Link
If Dublin got over Tyrone in the 00's.. which they didn't really deserve to do because Tyrone were better, better players, better management, better tactical system They wouldn't have beaten Kerry like Tyrone could do at that time, Kerry would have beaten Dublin. They beat Dublin at probably their best over that time in 2007. That's where that Dubs team peaked. It was all down hill from that point. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 25/07/2016 14:40:45 1889759 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Even though they were beaten in Ulster for two of their AI wins?" Yes Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 25/07/2016 14:47:13 1889765 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Even though they were beaten in Ulster for two of their AI wins?" Yes - Ulster Championship back then was like winning AI's - in fact didn't a number of their finals get played to massive crowds in Croker? IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 25/07/2016 15:10:02 1889778 Link
Replying To IrishGael3: "Its nonsense posters coming out with back door doesn't count. When Tyrone won the All Ireland 2005 via back door they had to win 7 games to win All Ireland and in 2008 they had to win 8 games - for Dublin and Kerry back in the day they would have won 4 Irelands with that number of games. Down, Derry, Donegal in early nineties were great teams but the rivalry between Armagh, Kerry and Tyrone in noughties raised the bar big time. That Kerry team are up there with the Golden Years Team and that's from a Kerry perspective." Not really All the back door has really done is to benefit the best teams.. both Kerry and Tyrone profited greatly from it Don't forget.. These extra games also allowed teams to put their troubles right, try out new things, build belief again and also give players game time, match fitness, sharpness, Tyrone cake walked most of those extra games and built up momentum Provincial winners had to sit around for up to 4-5 weeks without kicking a ball while the likes of Tyrone were getting match sharp and focused. There are plenty of advantages of coming through the back door for the better teams, which has been proven. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 25/07/2016 15:11:55 1889780 Link
come on I hate to say it but TYRONE have won 10 of the last 30 ulster titles they are head and shoulders the best team in ulster over the last 30 years by a long stretch , picking Down who only had one group of players that brought success in that period is nonsense. ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 25/07/2016 15:12:50 1889782 Link
Replying To Breffni39: "Yes" Ok so Breff You're sticking with that, no harm it's hard to back down from your initial ignorant input alright, jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 25/07/2016 15:13:32 1889783 Link
Replying To Breffni39: "Maybe Down may have been beaten had the back door existed?" Considering the advantages for better teams going through the back door Yes it's very possible, Down would have had to sit around for up to 5 weeks - while say Derry got match sharp, match fit legs, played more competitive games, beat teams they should be beating, build confidence, build momentum etc. The 100% if the back door has proven anything... it's proven to have worked very well for already good teams Tyrone and Kerry have done very well out of it jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 25/07/2016 15:19:05 1889789 Link