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I agree Donegalman...the ref had a fairly good game overall but he gave Tyrone some Soft Frees 2nd half and Mostly when the momentum was with Cavan going forward. In fairness he did let alot of the game flow but a few of his decisions where certainly Questionable.

InishowenMan (Donegal) - Posts: 216 - 19/06/2016 18:53:57    1869035

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Replying To Dellboypolecat:  "Once ball is kicked our fisted etc your allowed to enter square before ball arrived in open play and under old rule still exists from frees , 45 ,sidelines .All goals today where good goals"
Del look where givney is when the ball is played. As the ball is played he's plonked in the square. He's in the square before it's actually played to him. Square ball all day.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 19/06/2016 18:54:07    1869036

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It was an enjoyabe game. Cavan started well but faded, then came again in the second half but allowed Tyrone back in the lead again. Although there were a lot of errors, the condition were terrible. The biggest problem for Cavan is the shooting, far to many wides and poor shot selection. But they defend really well and have some fine players, they are a team on an upward curve. If they can polish up their shooting they really would be a force.

As for Tyrone, they looked realy uncomfortable under the high ball and the free taking is still an issue. The issue of a consistent free taker is not easy to solve. However I do expect them to be better the next day and not concede goals.

Anybody else think the Ulster teams are not as good this year. I don't think there is much between Cavan, Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal and it is hard to call a winner but I just can't see any of them challenging for an All Ireland.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 19/06/2016 18:57:21    1869040

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Replying To cjx:  "
Replying To shaggylegend:  "[quote=gotmilk:  "Do you know the rules? He's allowed to enter the square once the ball has been released by the player delivering the pass. He doesn't need to be in the square after the ball. The thing is he is in the square before the ball is delivered. He actually moves away from the goal he is that far inside the square.

1. Football Only - "Square Ball"
This has been amended to allow a player enter the small rectangle once the final deliberate play of the ball has been made, i.e as soon as the player kicks, hand-passes, fist passes or deliberately flicks the ball into the small rectangle then the attacking player may enter. The rule is unchanged with regard to "Set Play" i.e. Free Kicks, Line Balls and 45s - in these instances players are not permitted to enter the small rectangle before the ball."
Got milk you are 100%. The problem is the referees don't know the rules, even the inter county ones"
Tyrone learn more from draws usually Drew in Ulster in 2003 and 2005. Two goals were possible square balls but Mickey O'Neill should have stayed back on his line for the third. Again Tyrone's conversion rate of chances of scores was bad with Cavan no better in that."]Irrespective if the goals are square balls or not Tyrone will not be happy how they conceded them both on play prior to the goals and the way the goals were conceded in the scoring area. However Cavan were only in the game because of the goals and they followed long periods where they didn't score and Tyrone dominated. As per my previous point Tyrone won't make these mistakes again and should prevail. The Donegal v Monaghan game likely to be a draw also.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 19/06/2016 18:58:19    1869041

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Replying To BlueHeaven:  "You keep saying that gotmilk but the square ball rule you mention only applies to free kicks. Anyway I can't expect a "neutral" Fermanagh man to be fair. Thank God it wasn't an Ulster referee today as we would have seen more calls like you are trying to make against Cavan."
What horsesxxx

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 19/06/2016 18:59:33    1869043

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on the issue of the third Cavan goal. remember for the square ball rule to come in to play I believe the ball has to enter the square. Are we all certain that the ball actually entered the square any any stage. it looked border line. to me it looked like the ball was played along the line of the square which is not in the square. so if the ball wasn't played in to the square, can it still be a square ball ?

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 19/06/2016 18:59:59    1869044

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Replying To shaggylegend:  "
Replying To gotmilk:  "Do you know the rules? He's allowed to enter the square once the ball has been released by the player delivering the pass. He doesn't need to be in the square after the ball. The thing is he is in the square before the ball is delivered. He actually moves away from the goal he is that far inside the square.

1. Football Only - "Square Ball"
This has been amended to allow a player enter the small rectangle once the final deliberate play of the ball has been made, i.e as soon as the player kicks, hand-passes, fist passes or deliberately flicks the ball into the small rectangle then the attacking player may enter. The rule is unchanged with regard to "Set Play" i.e. Free Kicks, Line Balls and 45s - in these instances players are not permitted to enter the small rectangle before the ball."
Got milk you are 100%. The problem is the referees don't know the rules, even the inter county ones"
Crazy isn't it. I actually asked our club referee one day for his interpretation, he got it totally f'd up and he was on the inter-county rota not that long ago

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 19/06/2016 19:04:33    1869048

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Replying To InishowenMan:  "I agree Donegalman...the ref had a fairly good game overall but he gave Tyrone some Soft Frees 2nd half and Mostly when the momentum was with Cavan going forward. In fairness he did let alot of the game flow but a few of his decisions where certainly Questionable."
Its good to see some of the Donegal men sticking together and pointing the finger at the ref today in what was a very sporting game of football and reignited the Ulster championship - perhaps you should focus on your own teams very blatant abuse of rules, the fact you can hardly finish a match with 15 players, and the abuse of the ref after McGee sending off was uncalled for. Accept it was a great game played in poor weather conditions and refereed by someone who let the game go and did a great job. We will watch the game on Saturday night with interest and hope it is as sporting as today's was.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 19/06/2016 19:08:32    1869050

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Replying To s goldrick:  "on the issue of the third Cavan goal. remember for the square ball rule to come in to play I believe the ball has to enter the square. Are we all certain that the ball actually entered the square any any stage. it looked border line. to me it looked like the ball was played along the line of the square which is not in the square. so if the ball wasn't played in to the square, can it still be a square ball ?"
Exactly. Look where givney lands after the goal. The ball is "PLAYED" outside the small box.

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6344 - 19/06/2016 19:14:14    1869055

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Replying To s goldrick:  "on the issue of the third Cavan goal. remember for the square ball rule to come in to play I believe the ball has to enter the square. Are we all certain that the ball actually entered the square any any stage. it looked border line. to me it looked like the ball was played along the line of the square which is not in the square. so if the ball wasn't played in to the square, can it still be a square ball ?"
Possibly. I haven't been able to get a video of it since but i've been looking for still images. This is the best one i can find and it looks like the ball is in the square. http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/two-years-after-retiring-at-24-gaas-hottest-targetman-plagues-tyrone/83483?utm_content=buffer72177&utm_medium=Social+organic&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer

I agree with you it's tight but for me it's a square ball. Anyway i'm glad there are some cavan posters who know the rules regarding square balls.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 19/06/2016 19:14:48    1869056

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Tyrone will be the happier this evening as they got outta jail. Any day that you let a team score 3 goals against you and you've got none you can only expect one thing and that is to loose the match. This was their worst performance this year and they managed to get away with it
When they get a few home truths thrown at them tomorrow night I can't see them letting too many goals in next day out. Is history repeating itself. 2005 draw.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 19/06/2016 19:25:37    1869061

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Replying To gotmilk:  "Del look where givney is when the ball is played. As the ball is played he's plonked in the square. He's in the square before it's actually played to him. Square ball all day."
I was at game but will have a look later at replays then get back to you cause where I was sitting it was hard to see it .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 19/06/2016 19:25:44    1869062

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Replying To s goldrick:  "on the issue of the third Cavan goal. remember for the square ball rule to come in to play I believe the ball has to enter the square. Are we all certain that the ball actually entered the square any any stage. it looked border line. to me it looked like the ball was played along the line of the square which is not in the square. so if the ball wasn't played in to the square, can it still be a square ball ?"
Don't worry you're not going to convince gotmilk and a few of his northern buddies that they got the call wrong. They simply hate to see Cavan being competitive again. They start to get abusive when called out on their attitude. The Down referee from the league final would certainly have disallowed one of the goals even though they were, as shown on replays, all perfectly legitimate.

BlueHeaven (Cavan) - Posts: 75 - 19/06/2016 19:31:38    1869069

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Replying To BlueHeaven:  "Don't worry you're not going to convince gotmilk and a few of his northern buddies that they got the call wrong. They simply hate to see Cavan being competitive again. They start to get abusive when called out on their attitude. The Down referee from the league final would certainly have disallowed one of the goals even though they were, as shown on replays, all perfectly legitimate."
Are you suggesting bias against Cavan from counties north of the border??

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 19/06/2016 19:37:50    1869073

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Replying To BlueHeaven:  "Don't worry you're not going to convince gotmilk and a few of his northern buddies that they got the call wrong. They simply hate to see Cavan being competitive again. They start to get abusive when called out on their attitude. The Down referee from the league final would certainly have disallowed one of the goals even though they were, as shown on replays, all perfectly legitimate."
I couldn't give a sh*te about Cavan and how they are doing or how competitive they are. I'm interested in football. As I watched the game and the replays i have seen of the goal it's a square ball. Just for the record Cavan are competitive again but they aren't anywhere near the level you seem to think they are.

Anyway how would you know what a legitimate goal is? You don't even know what a square ball is.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 19/06/2016 19:43:22    1869075

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Replying To Brolly:  "Are you suggesting bias against Cavan from counties north of the border??"
There is no need to suggest anything- it has been very evident over the past 40 years. At all grades and levels if there is a northern ref Cavan have to beat him and the opposition. I always breathe a sigh of relief when I see an outside ref appointed to our matches in Ulster (even if it's a Meath man!!)

BlueHeaven (Cavan) - Posts: 75 - 19/06/2016 19:48:30    1869080

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Irishgael(USA)

It has nothing at all to do with Donegal men Sticking together..! It would not have mattered from what county the poster would have been from that made the statement' I would still have agreed with it.

And Didnt i also say the ref had a pretty good game overall..? I thought there was a few questionable decisions that went against Cavan in the 2nd half that that the ref could have let play go on. Nothing to do with players Blatant abuse of the rules.

Ref- Neil Magee..I dont think there where to many complaints by Donegal fans on here about the sending off. And i was at the other end of the pitch when it happened and didnt see it untill I watched the Sunday game that night when i got home.

It was a great and compelling game played in terrible conditions and one i very much enjoyed and would have enjoyed it even more had Cavan got the win. But i think that was there chance today and that Tyrone will win the replay.

And dont be telling me what I should be focusing on..il focus on whatever i see Fit..!

InishowenMan (Donegal) - Posts: 216 - 19/06/2016 19:48:36    1869081

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Replying To Brolly:  "Are you suggesting bias against Cavan from counties north of the border??"
Stupid comment if anyone believes there's now a 6 v 3 bias in Ulster is saying something that's based on his own narrow perception. Rivalry exists between all the counties in fact the more bitter ones in the 6 in the North so wise up.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 19/06/2016 19:50:42    1869086

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Replying To gotmilk:  "I couldn't give a sh*te about Cavan and how they are doing or how competitive they are. I'm interested in football. As I watched the game and the replays i have seen of the goal it's a square ball. Just for the record Cavan are competitive again but they aren't anywhere near the level you seem to think they are.

Anyway how would you know what a legitimate goal is? You don't even know what a square ball is."
You keep quoting the rule which I know just as well as you yet I'm simply calling you out on the your blindness on what actually happened on the field today. You are letting your bias get in the way of your judgement. Cavan's goals were not square ball. Constantly quoting the rule like as if you had wrote it yourself won't change the reality of what happened today.

By the way I said that Cavan are competitive again. I made no further claims for them. They missed their chance today and will not win the replay. I'm aware of their limitations but I'm annoyed when I see someone try to take from their efforts this afternoon and then claim he did so because he's a football purist!! Name calling will not when the argument for you.

BlueHeaven (Cavan) - Posts: 75 - 19/06/2016 20:16:37    1869103

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A very enjoyable game played in difficult conditions.

Tyrone were overall the better team but they must be concerned at the goals they conceded wheras Cavan will feel that they can play a lot better having been handed a lifeline.

For the record I thought the referee did well & contributed to an open game despite the conditions. Yes there were a few contentious calls but that happens in every game.

Such is life.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 19/06/2016 20:17:22    1869105

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