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Good game,I thought Tyrone were a little lax today.This draw could be good for them in the long run.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 19/06/2016 15:51:48    1868885

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Replying To GaryMc82:  "Cavan structurally have looked the better side so far in this game, forcing Tyrone to play through a formidable defence and play a more scrappy game. But the points tally so far ( 40 minutes in), show Tyrone have been far superior in taking points (Tyrone 0-10 v 2-03 Cavan).

At this rate I think Tyrone will address issues in front of goal, and probably run out fairly comfortable winners. Pitty though, as Cavan have shown glimpses of them being an formidable outfit."
Hopefully the replay will be on a dry sunny day
and a dry pitch then we will get to see the true
form and skill of both teams.

brefnisam (Cavan) - Posts: 21 - 19/06/2016 15:53:07    1868887

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Replying To rhudson:  "looking at tyrone there a long way behind Dublin
in fact the more I see of other teams
Dublin are even more certain to win all ire land"
Never write off the Kingdom..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 19/06/2016 16:00:48    1868893

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Total rush of blood to the head from the Tyrone keeper.

What was he doing rushing out for that last ball?

All he had to do was stay on his line and Tyrone were in the Ulster final.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 19/06/2016 16:03:13    1868896

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Same old failings for Tyrone, talk of an all-Ireland at this stage is ridiculous. No kick out strategy, no goal scoring chances created/taken, and worst of all, no free kicker for anything outside 30 metres. And on that point why keep going for the direct score, why not take it short, keep possesion and try to work a score?

I agree with a previous post, there is no one to touch Dublin this year.

Dermoot (Tyrone) - Posts: 46 - 19/06/2016 16:06:00    1868899

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Cavan certainly learned a lot from their last game against Tyrone!!

Great effort to not give up after Tyrone got on top in the last 10 minutes

Tyrone conceding 3 goals... not very good at all, but they still probably should have won that game..."
At least one of those goals was a square ball. Last one he is blatantly in the square.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 19/06/2016 16:06:19    1868900

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That was some ending, I thought Tyrone were marginally the better side, but nobody who concedes 3 scrappy goals can say they deserve to win. Cavan exposed Tyrone's weakness under high ball, However Tyrone will work closely on this for the next day, and will address this.

Take away Cavan's goal's, and I think that was a poor shooting for Cavan, which may in part be due to the conditions. That low of a points return in any game will normally see you lose it, and keep in mind that Tyrone too missed a lot of easy shots they would normally put over.

Tyrone need to look at their support movement, watching their support play today, I think they looked weaker than Monaghan and Donegal in terms of their off the ball running movements. They constantly ran into crowded area's, which was inevitable due to lack of support movement. If Tyrone address this and work on the high ball into the box issue, I think they should win this replay.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 19/06/2016 16:08:52    1868904

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Replying To brefnisam:  "Hopefully the replay will be on a dry sunny day
and a dry pitch then we will get to see the true
form and skill of both teams."
Aye the conditions definitely played a role in this today, but Cavan will be looking that how they only scored 7 points and looking at how Tyrone scored 16 points, keeping in mind that Tyrone had a good few wides themselves.

The replay will be won by the team that best addresses their exposed weaknesses from today's game, I think Cavan will grow from this game. If Tyrone can avoid conceding goal's, I would expect them to win.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 19/06/2016 16:14:09    1868906

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This was an anti tyrone performance. Hopefully it will stop the hype and ground a few of the players. No wear near an all Ireland final on this performance. the goals were very sloppy, 1st one got past 3 players and went between the legs, 2nd one no tyrone player Inc keeper marking cavan man at post, 3rd one even though square ball managed to beat 2 defenders and the keeper who had no right to be there.

kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 19/06/2016 16:24:53    1868910

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Replying To Dermoot:  "Same old failings for Tyrone, talk of an all-Ireland at this stage is ridiculous. No kick out strategy, no goal scoring chances created/taken, and worst of all, no free kicker for anything outside 30 metres. And on that point why keep going for the direct score, why not take it short, keep possesion and try to work a score?

I agree with a previous post, there is no one to touch Dublin this year."
Yeah we were very poor, nearly beat by a Cavan side resorting to high balls into a the square! It's a kind of technique when you know your team is lacking in scoring ability. Anyway next day out Tyrone need to be better, lacked composure today and missed handy scores.

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 19/06/2016 16:30:29    1868914

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Tyrone will be a different animal in replay thats was are chance and we didnt take it

Dantheman_95 (Cavan) - Posts: 6 - 19/06/2016 16:30:35    1868915

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Replying To gotmilk:  "At least one of those goals was a square ball. Last one he is blatantly in the square."
I don't think any of the goals were. The only one which could possibly be is the which came from the 45, but I think that was touched by another player outside the small Bix before the final touch from the Cavan player, which nullified the square ball rule.
The other 2 goals were from open play where there's no square ball.

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6344 - 19/06/2016 16:31:24    1868916

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Replying To rhudson:  "looking at tyrone there a long way behind Dublin
in fact the more I see of other teams
Dublin are even more certain to win all ire land"
Tell us something we don't know

There is very little between the 2nd best team and the top 9/10 teams and a Grand Canyon gap from 2 to 1

KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 19/06/2016 16:47:13    1868922

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Replying To gotmilk:  "At least one of those goals was a square ball. Last one he is blatantly in the square."
You keep saying that gotmilk but the square ball rule you mention only applies to free kicks. Anyway I can't expect a "neutral" Fermanagh man to be fair. Thank God it wasn't an Ulster referee today as we would have seen more calls like you are trying to make against Cavan.

BlueHeaven (Cavan) - Posts: 75 - 19/06/2016 16:56:18    1868925

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Difficult conditions but great effort from both teams. Cavan fully deserved a second chance. Tyrone's bench is much stronger than Cavan's. Umpires were a howl. Tyrone keeper seemed well over the line before Givney fouled him. Doubt if O'Neill will be in goal for the replay. Surprised that Cavan did not play Johnson right up beside Givney or since this was not the case that Givney did not use his fist more rather than trying to catch a greasy ball under pressure. Third goal showed what he is capable of with the right ball. Tyrone threatened to get on top several times but surprisingly seemed to lack conviction at times. Both teams should learn a lot from the game. Here's hoping for a humdinger in the replay.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 19/06/2016 17:02:03    1868930

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It's a square ball if you are in the square before the ball is hit. Third goal he is standing in the square, he moves away from the goals to touch the ball but still remains in the square. At no point from the ball being delivered to him until it crosses the lines does he leave the square.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 19/06/2016 17:02:25    1868931

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Cavan played well. Defended very good. Tomas Corr for Cavan was excellent.

Tyrone could be good but free taking has been an issue for years and still is. Wides again today from 4 different free takers. Any team playing against Tyrone knows just foul them 40 yards out and there is no score.

Kickouts today were poor also. And losing ball in the tackle though on a drier day perhaps that won't happen.

In my opinion Mc Curry, Mc Mahon, Ruari Brennan, Meyler and Morgan all need to start.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 19/06/2016 17:06:06    1868932

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Replying To BlueHeaven:  "You keep saying that gotmilk but the square ball rule you mention only applies to free kicks. Anyway I can't expect a "neutral" Fermanagh man to be fair. Thank God it wasn't an Ulster referee today as we would have seen more calls like you are trying to make against Cavan."
Do you know the rules? He's allowed to enter the square once the ball has been released by the player delivering the pass. He doesn't need to be in the square after the ball. The thing is he is in the square before the ball is delivered. He actually moves away from the goal he is that far inside the square.

1. Football Only - "Square Ball"
This has been amended to allow a player enter the small rectangle once the final deliberate play of the ball has been made, i.e as soon as the player kicks, hand-passes, fist passes or deliberately flicks the ball into the small rectangle then the attacking player may enter. The rule is unchanged with regard to "Set Play" i.e. Free Kicks, Line Balls and 45s - in these instances players are not permitted to enter the small rectangle before the ball.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 19/06/2016 17:07:12    1868935

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Replying To Jinxie:  "I don't think any of the goals were. The only one which could possibly be is the which came from the 45, but I think that was touched by another player outside the small Bix before the final touch from the Cavan player, which nullified the square ball rule.
The other 2 goals were from open play where there's no square ball."
Well said Jinxie. Really glad it was a Meath referee today and not a biased ref from the six counties like the one in the league final. Gotmilk is typical of the attitude we in Cavan have to face in Ulster all the time. For the record The goal from the 45 was punched on before being scored by Moynagh so wasn't a square ball. Our green neighbours never let the facts get in the way of a good rant!

BlueHeaven (Cavan) - Posts: 75 - 19/06/2016 17:08:04    1868936

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Replying To gotmilk:  "Do you know the rules? He's allowed to enter the square once the ball has been released by the player delivering the pass. He doesn't need to be in the square after the ball. The thing is he is in the square before the ball is delivered. He actually moves away from the goal he is that far inside the square.

1. Football Only - "Square Ball"
This has been amended to allow a player enter the small rectangle once the final deliberate play of the ball has been made, i.e as soon as the player kicks, hand-passes, fist passes or deliberately flicks the ball into the small rectangle then the attacking player may enter. The rule is unchanged with regard to "Set Play" i.e. Free Kicks, Line Balls and 45s - in these instances players are not permitted to enter the small rectangle before the ball."
Got milk you are 100%. The problem is the referees don't know the rules, even the inter county ones

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 19/06/2016 17:10:17    1868937

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