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Replying To Ulsterman:  "STILL not a peep anywhere of Kerry's brutal cynicism in the first half today. Joe Brolly mentioned it at half time, in fact he backed it up with footage, but he was looked at in horror by Michael Lyster and Colm O'Rourke; did he not know that criticism is ONLY for the mad Ulster hordes? Why hasn't Brolly got the message that Kerry and Dublin are God like figures and are not allowed to receive negative words. Furthermore if you try to point out this hypocrisy anywhere it doesn't get posted. Hypocrisy and double standards....how are you?"
Agree with your post and as you say Brolly did elude to it at halftime and he got short thrift - however that's not like Joe Brolly - if it were Tyrone or Donegal doing the same as Kerry did he would be shouting down Lyster and ORourke - so it was the tick in the box from Joe to show he is even handed with his fellow Ulster Gaels but little more than that - the hypocracy and double standards is a joke but you won't change it with those bunch on SG.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 03/07/2016 21:38:27    1875668

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Replying To kevin03:  "Why is it that everyone seems to think that refs are above criticism? It was clear on TV that a number of fouls went unpunished. Blinding saying "be a ref yourself" doesn't do any good. In fact it does harm.

Refeering standards vary massively throughout. Put yourself in a players shoe for a moment...training all year and then it could come down to a silly call ending your season for another year. Bet you don't think about that"
Thought Coldrick was decent enough today to be fair. Of all the championship games I've been at this year, Coldrick today adn Deegan yesterday were both good, all others very poor (including Deegan on the line for Cavan v Armagh)

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5019 - 03/07/2016 21:40:14    1875671

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Replying To kevin03:  "Why is it that everyone seems to think that refs are above criticism? It was clear on TV that a number of fouls went unpunished. Blinding saying "be a ref yourself" doesn't do any good. In fact it does harm.

Refeering standards vary massively throughout. Put yourself in a players shoe for a moment...training all year and then it could come down to a silly call ending your season for another year. Bet you don't think about that"
Considering I play football and have been on the end of those calls I know all too well how it feels. The ref was good today as well as Gough the week before.....let the game flow as how as possible and kept the cards in the pockets. They can't get every decision right.....the same as players, they make mistakes.
As I said if you think you can do better become a ref. Also refs get accessed by Pat McEnaney, probably the best ref there was. I'm sure he criticises the mistakes they make and I'm sure they try to improve. So you are wrong in what you are saying

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 03/07/2016 21:51:10    1875685

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "STILL not a peep anywhere of Kerry's brutal cynicism in the first half today. Joe Brolly mentioned it at half time, in fact he backed it up with footage, but he was looked at in horror by Michael Lyster and Colm O'Rourke; did he not know that criticism is ONLY for the mad Ulster hordes? Why hasn't Brolly got the message that Kerry and Dublin are God like figures and are not allowed to receive negative words. Furthermore if you try to point out this hypocrisy anywhere it doesn't get posted. Hypocrisy and double standards....how are you?"
I have been shouting about kerry cynical play for this past 6 years. It's like the secrets of Fatima. It's not spoken on our national media or allowed to be talked about. It appears to be the same in the referees organisation. They're not advised to check them for it. It will be a miracle if it's discussed tonight on the Sunday Game.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 03/07/2016 21:58:12    1875692

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Hats off to David Golderick today. He had a great game and let the game flow. He was very fair and balanced.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 03/07/2016 22:01:42    1875696

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "STILL not a peep anywhere of Kerry's brutal cynicism in the first half today. Joe Brolly mentioned it at half time, in fact he backed it up with footage, but he was looked at in horror by Michael Lyster and Colm O'Rourke; did he not know that criticism is ONLY for the mad Ulster hordes? Why hasn't Brolly got the message that Kerry and Dublin are God like figures and are not allowed to receive negative words. Furthermore if you try to point out this hypocrisy anywhere it doesn't get posted. Hypocrisy and double standards....how are you?"
I thought that Tipp players got very little protection from the ref today. Tipp can, and perhaps need to, learnt a lot about cynical play from today's game.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 03/07/2016 22:12:40    1875711

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Considering I play football and have been on the end of those calls I know all too well how it feels. The ref was good today as well as Gough the week before.....let the game flow as how as possible and kept the cards in the pockets. They can't get every decision right.....the same as players, they make mistakes.
As I said if you think you can do better become a ref. Also refs get accessed by Pat McEnaney, probably the best ref there was. I'm sure he criticises the mistakes they make and I'm sure they try to improve. So you are wrong in what you are saying"
I didn't say the ref was bad today just that it was clear he got a few calls wrong. How can I be wrong when you can clearly see the fouls on TV??? Your argument makes no sense.

Thought the ref in the first tyrone v cavan game was fantastic. Can't remember his name now. I take it you would have no issue in going out in a championship game in future based on a poor ref decision?

Standard of football has greatly increased and the margin between winning and losing is very small that's all in saying.

kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 03/07/2016 22:18:54    1875714

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I referred to the ref of the pervious game....David Gough. Please refer to my first point....I play football, I have lost championship games to refs decisions, and won them the same way as well.

At least 4-5 pervious posters have said the ref was fine. I'm sure they went to be game instead of watching it on tv.....so I think I will take their opinion before I take yours. I was there and I agree with previous posters. As I said there's nothing stopping you becoming a ref.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 03/07/2016 23:26:06    1875744

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Replying To border Gael:  "I have been shouting about kerry cynical play for this past 6 years. It's like the secrets of Fatima. It's not spoken on our national media or allowed to be talked about. It appears to be the same in the referees organisation. They're not advised to check them for it. It will be a miracle if it's discussed tonight on the Sunday Game."
Correct my friend. Not even mentioned on The Sunday Game tonight. Brolly highlighted Kerry's cynicism today but was brushed away by Lyster and O'Rourke. Des, Tomas and Ciaran followed suit and didn't annoy 'de Kinggggdommmm'. Didn't you know that Tieran McCann's hair and Tyrone are more of a threat to 26 county National Security?

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9706 - 04/07/2016 01:02:27    1875785

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Until today, I would have considered Cavan to be one of the most defensive sides in Ulster, if not Ireland. But today they were an absolute mess defensively, and Tyrone punished them in a ruthless manner. Now in fairness to Cavan, I think they only became a mess defensively once Tyrone got a goal and opened up some daylight and forced Cavan to attack more, which was going to leave more gaps.

The early stages of this game were point for point, but Peter Harte's opening goal opened enough daylight to force Cavan to expand, and Tyrone then went for the jugular and quickly added a 2nd goal.

In the first game Cavan scored 3 goal's while Tyrone scored none, and this kept Cavan in the game despite the fact Tyrone were clearly the better side in that tie hitting a lot of points. Had Tyrone got an early goal the last day, we may have seen a similar result to todays. Once Tyrone got in front, It seemed unlikely that Cavan would have any way back. Tyrone's direct running is superb, and they have an abundance of attacking players who are very comfortable on the ball. My only concern would be in what Tyrone conceded today and the last day, and against a better organised and arguably more versatile team the next day, that could be an issue.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 04/07/2016 02:55:09    1875795

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