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Replying To Reformation: "Irishgael3 - you must be up all night over in the US watching these games. Or are you afraid to post your county? I actually had no problem with the ref in the main, he was consistent if nothing else. No complaints. If you think that was Cavan at full tilt then you are wrong and haven't seen us play at all this year. McKiernan was annonymous as was Johnston. Jason McLoughlin to come back in. We will improve. Credit to the Tyrone defence for that but they wont be as quiet the next day. We can raise our performance from Sunday and I am confident that we will. Im not going any further on the fans, ive said my part. But its give and take and ill hold my hands up for the whistling for the last 45. Was that the only occassion that there was booing? No. Maybe the only occassion that Cavan fans booed. Good to be back in the big time anyway. But we wont be pushed around on forums or on the field!! We can win the replay. I think we will win it. There you go." Fair play Reformation you are now beginning to sound a bit like a sports fan and not someone who's had a bee in their bonnet for 40 years. I'm all on for fans being passionate about their team but not at the expense of bad mouthing other teams and referees as I've seen on this forum. Talk about the positives that your team will bring to the replay and I agree with your point on McKearnan and Johnston et al and they could make the difference next day. I'm also sure there's many Tyrone players who came off the pitch on Sunday who feel they didn't perform and I've stated this on other posts - as a GAA fan I want to see new teams make the breakthrough and that includes Cavan, I just wish your fans would enjoy the moment rather than look at the negatives. As far as my own personal situation no don't misunderstand my username as me living in the US presently - I'm a big fan of the GAA but I have no time for demonisation of Ulster football particularly Tyrone and Donegal of late and esp worse from other Ulster fans - it's totally ridiculous, the Dublin team also get their fair share of it- and like you I won't be bullied into changing my mind on this - let's embrace what the better teams do and try and emulate them rather than demonise them. IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 21/06/2016 22:15:20 1870519 Link
Replying To s goldrick: "what are peoples opinions of umpires being chosen by the ref. apparently the 4 umpires on sunday were; the referee's father, the referee's brother, the referee's cousin and the referee's uncle." What point are you trying to make? Torcaill (Australia) - Posts: 204 - 21/06/2016 22:21:54 1870523 Link
Replying To s goldrick: "what are peoples opinions of umpires being chosen by the ref. apparently the 4 umpires on sunday were; the referee's father, the referee's brother, the referee's cousin and the referee's uncle." Those four umpires are top class enough said Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 21/06/2016 22:33:34 1870526 Link
Replying To IrishGael3: "You've been going to matches for 40 years - with that vast experience you'd think you would have some sense than come out with this nonsense. You obviously haven't been in Croker for a very long time and very few big matches in Clones, then again neither have Cavan - Dubs boo and jeer every kick, Donegal do it in Ballybofey and Clones, Kerry in Killarney, as do Derry/Armagh and as you say some Tyrone fans - I've never thought their fans any worse or better than others, in fact I've met many of them in Croker and they are fine mannered, knowledgeable Gaels and great crack. As one of your posters says on the Cavan forum - Cavan played at close/near their optimum, Tyrone well below par. The weather suited Cavan and not Tyrone - I'd pray for a monsoon if I were you in replay. I believe Monaghan will win other match and can't see Cavan beat them whereby Tyrone have their number." Just as a matter of interest, how did you decide that the weather suited Cavan and not Tyrone and how did you measure the performance of the teams to be able to say that Cavan performed near their maximum potential and that Tyrone were below par? I ask because I'm trying to fathom out Roscommon's chances against Galway in the Connaught final neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 21/06/2016 23:05:24 1870540 Link
Replying To neverright: "Just as a matter of interest, how did you decide that the weather suited Cavan and not Tyrone and how did you measure the performance of the teams to be able to say that Cavan performed near their maximum potential and that Tyrone were below par? I ask because I'm trying to fathom out Roscommon's chances against Galway in the Connaught final" Good questions neverright. On your first question I base it on Tyrones style of late - fast transition, intricate passing and overlapping which is a difficult style to master on a dry day never mind very wet - any defender worth his salt can get a hand in and disrupt. Cavan on the other hand are clearly a more physical and taller team and they are able to use their physique which is more suited to inclement weather conditions and in fairness they did this well on Sunday. Your second question relates to performance of both teams - my comment was only repeating what a Cavan fan stated on their forum and isn't necessarily my view - I think both teams didn't play to their full potential however I feel Tyrone have the most to improve IMO. IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 21/06/2016 23:43:26 1870548 Link
Fair enough IrishGael3! I think that we had a difference of opinion but not as far reached as I suspected. Listen, Cavan fans are very passionate and we want to go far with this team. Maybe the fact that we are only getting back to division 1 and competitive again leaves us a little sensitive to any negativity. But you can read for yourself some of the stuff that was there, i don't need to talk about it any more. I am really looking forward to sunday week and it will be a real test to see where we are and I wont go into what happened the last time we played Tyrone in a replay in the Ulster Championship! IrishGael3 - we'll call this one a draw also :) Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 22/06/2016 07:43:15 1870560 Link
Replying To Reformation: "Fair enough IrishGael3! I think that we had a difference of opinion but not as far reached as I suspected. Listen, Cavan fans are very passionate and we want to go far with this team. Maybe the fact that we are only getting back to division 1 and competitive again leaves us a little sensitive to any negativity. But you can read for yourself some of the stuff that was there, i don't need to talk about it any more. I am really looking forward to sunday week and it will be a real test to see where we are and I wont go into what happened the last time we played Tyrone in a replay in the Ulster Championship! IrishGael3 - we'll call this one a draw also :)" Fair play Reformation - I suspect you'll have to get used to this success as I genuinely believe you have a good team - good luck in replay and let's hope it lives up to the previous 2 meetings - Ulster football have 4 genuine contenders for the later stages of the championship esp with Cork's demise and Mayo getting beat last day out however the latter may just be a little complacency who knows. The Dubs are still the team to beat though and I reserve my judgement on Kingdom - they really need new blood quickly. IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 22/06/2016 09:39:37 1870595 Link
I couldn't give a shte about Cavan and how they are doing or how competitive they are. I'm interested in football. As I watched the game and the replays i have seen of the goal it's a square ball. Just for the record Cavan are competitive again but they aren't anywhere near the level you seem to think they are. Anyway how would you know what a legitimate goal is? You don't even know what a square ball is. gotmilk (Fermanagh) Jaysus lad you have a serious obsession with Cavan football for a lad who couldn't give a shte about it. Maybe you should be more concerned about your own county, or probably you don't give a shte about them either. Donegal scored a dubious goal against your own county the previous week,but I can't recall you posting on that!!! Maybe you didn't know the square ball rule last week and read up on it during the week and now you want to impart to us your new found knowledge, well bravo fair play to you, I'm sure you'll be enable to enlighten us all with you analysis on any suspect "square ball" goals in the future . aceofspades (Cavan)* - Posts: 256 - 22/06/2016 15:56:58 1870801 Link
Don't really know what everybody is getting so uptight about, fact it was a square ball, also a fact it was not seen. It was a fair result and can't wait for replay. Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 706 - 22/06/2016 16:50:08 1870832 Link
Replying To Reformation: "Irishgael3 - you must be up all night over in the US watching these games. Or are you afraid to post your county? I actually had no problem with the ref in the main, he was consistent if nothing else. No complaints. If you think that was Cavan at full tilt then you are wrong and haven't seen us play at all this year. McKiernan was annonymous as was Johnston. Jason McLoughlin to come back in. We will improve. Credit to the Tyrone defence for that but they wont be as quiet the next day. We can raise our performance from Sunday and I am confident that we will. Im not going any further on the fans, ive said my part. But its give and take and ill hold my hands up for the whistling for the last 45. Was that the only occassion that there was booing? No. Maybe the only occassion that Cavan fans booed. Good to be back in the big time anyway. But we wont be pushed around on forums or on the field!! We can win the replay. I think we will win it. There you go." Fair play Reformation you are now beginning to sound a bit like a sports fan and not someone who's had a bee in their bonnet for 40 years. I'm all on for fans being passionate about their team but not at the expense of bad mouthing other teams and referees as I've seen on this forum. Talk about the positives that your team will bring to the replay and I agree with your point on McKearnan and Johnston et al and they could make the difference next day. I'm also sure there's many Tyrone players who came off the pitch on Sunday who feel they didn't perform and I've stated this on other posts - as a GAA fan I want to see new teams make the breakthrough and that includes Cavan, I just wish your fans would enjoy the moment rather than look at the negatives. As far as my own personal situation no don't misunderstand my username as me living in the US presently - I'm a big fan of the GAA but I have no time for demonisation of Ulster football particularly Tyrone and Donegal of late and esp worse from other Ulster fans - it's totally ridiculous, the Dublin team also get their fair share of it- and like you I won't be bullied into changing my mind on this - let's embrace what the better teams do and try and emulate them rather than demonise them. IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 25/06/2016 23:34:13 1872056 Link
Replying To IrishGael3: "Fair play Reformation you are now beginning to sound a bit like a sports fan and not someone who's had a bee in their bonnet for 40 years. I'm all on for fans being passionate about their team but not at the expense of bad mouthing other teams and referees as I've seen on this forum. Talk about the positives that your team will bring to the replay and I agree with your point on McKearnan and Johnston et al and they could make the difference next day. I'm also sure there's many Tyrone players who came off the pitch on Sunday who feel they didn't perform and I've stated this on other posts - as a GAA fan I want to see new teams make the breakthrough and that includes Cavan, I just wish your fans would enjoy the moment rather than look at the negatives. As far as my own personal situation no don't misunderstand my username as me living in the US presently - I'm a big fan of the GAA but I have no time for demonisation of Ulster football particularly Tyrone and Donegal of late and esp worse from other Ulster fans - it's totally ridiculous, the Dublin team also get their fair share of it- and like you I won't be bullied into changing my mind on this - let's embrace what the better teams do and try and emulate them rather than demonise them." OK so whose going to win the replay? It's going to be another wet day? border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 30/06/2016 11:26:35 1874167 Link
I would slightly favour Tyrone but I can't say that with total confidence. If Tyrone can tighten up at the back then they should come out on top. However Cavan can play better than they did the first day out. I really think this Cavan will come good in the next few years but need a big scalp in the championship to propel them to the next level. It should be a great game. BTW is this game on TV? I don't see it advertised on RTE or BBC. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 30/06/2016 11:46:03 1874179 Link
Tyrone have a good record in replays over the years and especially under Mickey Harte have quickly learned lessons from the first game eg Derry 2003, Down 2003 and Cavan 2005. Cavan have a good up and coming team and will certainly put it up to Tyrone but it hard to believe Tyrone will be so poor as a team with regard to defence again. I known some consider the defensive part of the game as the dark side but in todays game limiting your opposition to around 11-12 points is vital and Mickey Harte will be working hard to achieve this. Cavan will also have to bring something new to the table but I would expect Tyrone to tighten up (no goals) and win by 4 points. The other semi-final is equally finally poised and I would go for a very narrow Donegal win with defences on top. Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 30/06/2016 12:11:39 1874191 Link
Replying To border Gael: "OK so whose going to win the replay? It's going to be another wet day?" Thought Sunday in Clones was given for mostly dry. .?? Either way, we'll win it. There's been a lot said about us not scoring 3 goals again, which we probably won't. But I don't think we'll kick 17 wides either. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5019 - 30/06/2016 12:20:46 1874199 Link
Nearly sure that no live coverage of either Ulster game this weekend. Cavan v Tyrone will be deferred on BBC if you can dodge the score. GetOverTheBar (Tyrone) - Posts: 1388 - 30/06/2016 12:31:56 1874204 Link
Replying To GetOverTheBar: "Nearly sure that no live coverage of either Ulster game this weekend. Cavan v Tyrone will be deferred on BBC if you can dodge the score." What a pity these two games won't be screened live. These could be two of the best games of the whole championship. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 30/06/2016 12:39:25 1874209 Link
Replying To Green_Gold: "What a pity these two games won't be screened live. These could be two of the best games of the whole championship." I fully agree with you. The Heads of the Gaa have no regard for those who cannot go to matches. The likes of people who are terminally ill, those who are sick or cannot afford to go. The elderly, those in nursing homes. Look at how much pleasure it would bring their otherwise probably very quiet day. I believe no thought has gone into this. border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 30/06/2016 14:01:51 1874262 Link
Replying To border Gael: "OK so whose going to win the replay? It's going to be another wet day?" @Border Gael - going to be an interesting one. There's been a lot of rain this past week or two so pitch will be heavy. If it is v wet on Sunday it will be a very close game and too close to call - if Tyrone limit goals or opportunity for Cavan to kick high ball into square Tyrone could sneak it, if not I think Cavan could do it. If its not raining I believe Tyrone's all round skill and game plan will prevail - and you cant underestimate Mickey Harte - his record on replays is exceptional. But 2 great semis in store. IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 30/06/2016 14:37:08 1874275 Link
Replying To border Gael: "OK so whose going to win the replay? It's going to be another wet day?" @Border Gael - going to be an interesting one. There's been a lot of rain this past week or two so pitch will be heavy. If it is v wet on Sunday it will be a very close game and too close to call - if Tyrone limit goals or opportunity for Cavan to kick high ball into square Tyrone could sneak it, if not I think Cavan could do it. If its not raining I believe Tyrone's all round skill and game plan will prevail - and you cant underestimate Mickey Harte - his record on replays is exceptional. But 2 great semis in store. IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 30/06/2016 15:09:26 1874306 Link
Replying To border Gael: "I fully agree with you. The Heads of the Gaa have no regard for those who cannot go to matches. The likes of people who are terminally ill, those who are sick or cannot afford to go. The elderly, those in nursing homes. Look at how much pleasure it would bring their otherwise probably very quiet day. I believe no thought has gone into this." So if the GAA showed those games instead of the two games they directly clash with (Cork vs. Dublin and the Leinster hurling final) which have been scheduled since before the drawn games, they would have regard for those who cannot go to matches (the terminally ill, the sick, the elderly etc.)? I believe no thought has gone into your post. Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 30/06/2016 15:43:04 1874330 Link