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Since the 1983 defeat by one point Tyrone have played Cavan five times in the championship winning four and drawing one. The last meeting was 11 years ago so their is very little history of playing each other unlike playing Derry or Armagh which may mean less tension and a better game of football.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1780 - 15/06/2016 18:13:13    1867338

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Replying To Byanthon:  "Since the 1983 defeat by one point Tyrone have played Cavan five times in the championship winning four and drawing one. The last meeting was 11 years ago so their is very little history of playing each other unlike playing Derry or Armagh which may mean less tension and a better game of football."
Beaten us in the league several times as well. League finals too. I have no memory of beating Tyrone at senior level.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12125 - 15/06/2016 18:42:58    1867349

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Replying To cacsmckilly:  "If Cavan click and the tactics are right then it could be lights out for red hands. Cavan match Tyrone easily in strength and speed. The game will be won on the sidelines"
"The game will be won on the sidelines" is what worries me.
MH has vast experience while TH seems one dimensional and rarely has a plan B when things are going wrong.

Hopefully he will have learned some lessons from the League Final and last years championship match against Monaghan.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 15/06/2016 19:00:40    1867357

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If Cavan have belief in themselves and their system they can win it. However, it is vital they do not lose that belief, if they hit a bad patch, and return to old traits.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 15/06/2016 19:52:14    1867382

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Replying To Byanthon:  "Since the 1983 defeat by one point Tyrone have played Cavan five times in the championship winning four and drawing one. The last meeting was 11 years ago so their is very little history of playing each other unlike playing Derry or Armagh which may mean less tension and a better game of football."
I was at the last championship match between the two in Clones on a Saturday evening in 2005. It was a replay. Loads of neutral Gaa followers went. Peter caravan was receiving treatment on the sidelines during the warm-up and some Cavan supporters were shouting to get him the stretcher as he was done anyway. Well let's say he proved he wasn't done with a cricket score. It was a very one sided affair.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 15/06/2016 20:05:31    1867389

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Replying To border Gael:  "I was at the last championship match between the two in Clones on a Saturday evening in 2005. It was a replay. Loads of neutral Gaa followers went. Peter caravan was receiving treatment on the sidelines during the warm-up and some Cavan supporters were shouting to get him the stretcher as he was done anyway. Well let's say he proved he wasn't done with a cricket score. It was a very one sided affair."
Oh i'd say you were neutral alright lol.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 16/06/2016 10:21:11    1867557

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Replying To Breffni39:  "Beaten us in the league several times as well. League finals too. I have no memory of beating Tyrone at senior level."
me neither, I should remember that 1983 win but for some reason, I don't. This would be a massive,massive victory for everyone in Cavan if it came to pass. It would be a massive win for Tyrone too , to reach an ulster final against either Donegal or Monaghan. But because it's been so long and so rare that we beat Tyrone , it's actually hard to invisage it. However having said that these 2 sets of players (minus a few very important individuals) have met at under-21 level in recent years and Cavan have come out on top.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 16/06/2016 11:18:48    1867595

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If Cavan score more than Tyrone, I think they will win.....
alternatively
If Cavan score less than Tyrone its possible they will lose.....
oh and.....
if Cavan score the same Tyrone will win as they will use dark arts to alter the scoreboard when noone is looking

conman1282 (Tyrone) - Posts: 88 - 16/06/2016 11:20:01    1867597

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On the Hogan stand today it was pointed out that it is 33 years since Cavan beat Tyrone in the championship as Cavan beat them in the semi final of 1983.
It's goes on to say that Derry beat Cavan in the final which is wrong. I was there that day --- Donegal beat Cavan and I'm sure we had a penalty in the last few minutes which was pointed.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 16/06/2016 19:51:33    1867859

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The logical part of me thinks Tyrone will win this game, but the part of me listening to the Cavan players talking after beating Armagh thinks Cavan have a real hunger to beat Tyrone, and that National League Division 2 final allowed Cavan to size up foe.

Cavan have a serious chance of winning this.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 16/06/2016 21:58:41    1867936

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Replying To conman1282:  "If Cavan score more than Tyrone, I think they will win.....
alternatively
If Cavan score less than Tyrone its possible they will lose.....
oh and.....
if Cavan score the same Tyrone will win as they will use dark arts to alter the scoreboard when noone is looking"
Any team can beat any other team by scoring less so your argument doesn't add up. 5 scores can beat 10 scores any day in Gaelic football. Eg 3-2 beats 0-10 in any match!

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 16/06/2016 22:56:12    1867969

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Cavan will need to have learned a thing or two from the Div 2 final..

They just walked right into Tyrones game plan, Like a fly into a big fat aul spiders web.. Tyrone were allowed to do what Tyrone like to do..

If they get themselves more tactically astute, examine the tapes because it was clear to see.. then I think they have a good chance of troubling Tyrone

But lessons need to have been learned... we'll soon see if the Cavan management are any use...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 16/06/2016 23:11:18    1867971

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "Any team can beat any other team by scoring less so your argument doesn't add up. 5 scores can beat 10 scores any day in Gaelic football. Eg 3-2 beats 0-10 in any match!"
I didnt think I was making an argument :)

Its called humour (its a dark arts thing!!)

conman1282 (Tyrone) - Posts: 88 - 17/06/2016 07:59:44    1867987

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "Any team can beat any other team by scoring less so your argument doesn't add up. 5 scores can beat 10 scores any day in Gaelic football. Eg 3-2 beats 0-10 in any match!"
I think there is an exception for Meath in this rule. if you score the same and you are Meath, then you win the game.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 17/06/2016 10:37:16    1868044

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Replying To SamOnErrigal:  "On the Hogan stand today it was pointed out that it is 33 years since Cavan beat Tyrone in the championship as Cavan beat them in the semi final of 1983.
It's goes on to say that Derry beat Cavan in the final which is wrong. I was there that day --- Donegal beat Cavan and I'm sure we had a penalty in the last few minutes which was pointed."
true. and here it is :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDKiNdgTNoU

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 17/06/2016 10:40:29    1868050

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Tir eoghain will beat this Cavan team black and blue , just how it will be sadly I don't even think it will be close . Tyrone by 5-8

BarryPD (Dublin) - Posts: 34 - 17/06/2016 16:42:29    1868260

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If Cavan can limit the influence of Peter Harte, Mattie Donnelly and Sean Cavanagh, then I think it will be a very tight game that Cavan can win. Tyrone's transitional play relies heavily on these men, and if Cavan take them out of it, the will impact Tyrone's overall scoring.

Tiernan McCann has become a big runner for Tyrone, but I would still focus on cancelling out the 3 mentioned above, as they are the heartbeat of Tyrone.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 17/06/2016 17:04:28    1868265

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Replying To Cavan_Slasher:  "Oh i'd say you were neutral alright lol."
We were almost in Smithboro on the road home when the full time whistle went in Clones. We went to see a cracker and ended up watching a damp squib.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 17/06/2016 19:58:16    1868315

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Cavan need to win this : end of story . Not time like the present .

This nonsense

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 18/06/2016 00:30:38    1868379

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Sorry this Samsung is acting up on me .

This waiting on a young team and the rhetoric of ' it's a year too early ' is just nonsense .

Cavan fans know this . Their players will too .

Donegals emergence came from defeating Tyrone in 2011 and we won 3 Ulsters , 1 All- Ireland and contested another .

That success began by taking the scalp of Hartes Tyrone . We were lucky that day but it laid the foundations .

It was a statement that said we are the new boys on block .

Cavan must do the same because time waits for no sports team .

Cavan might be young but so are Tyrone and we have young blood coming too as do Monaghan .

Make hay when the sun shines as tomorrow may be wet .

This is their chance but I just feel Tyrone are a more pragmatic bunch and will do what is necessary to win .

Cavan to keep it very close but the Red Hand to pull away .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 18/06/2016 00:38:02    1868381

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