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U17 not allowed to play adult football

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Theres a massive difference between senior and adult football at least in Dublin anyways there are hundreds of kids well developed and capable of playing in adult football and hurling , however few would be up to championship (senior) football different animal altogether.
Teams that struggle to field would be smaller clubs and not in senior championship , no issue with lads playing at that level and if it keeps a club afloat

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 15/08/2017 11:15:29    2033547

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Replying To liam500:  "Lads - was this rule ever passed?

I see that Kerry had a 16 year old girl playing inter county at the weekend? Is it different rules for the ladies?"
For camogie its 16 (not U16), ladies football is 17 to play county. The reality is in Dublin at least there is no way they would play a 16 yr old, 17/18 earliest. Girls are fully grown at 16 even if their brains are 26

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 15/08/2017 11:53:04    2033558

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Whammy, from my own experience I know it is very true. If you starve young players of games they will fill in their time playing other sports, maybe even at adult level. The drudgery of physical training drills, often completely unsuitable for developing teens is far more harmful, physically and mentally, than playing games.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts:208 - 14/05/2016 11:52:00 1854845

I agree with this post.

I disagree with your previous post where you say that an under 17 wouldn't get targeted playing adult football. I'd love to live in a world where that is true but it's not. There are some absolute dirtbags play our games and if they can get an edge and a young fella gets injured they couldn't care less. There are even bitter twisted fools who'd go out of their way to do a good up and coming player. Their mentality is that if a guy comes onto the pitch it's all fair game. Something needs to be in place to protect these young players and I wouldn't trust club managers so I'm happy for this rule to be in place.

It does seem that in a lot of counties juvenile players aren't catered for with enough games at their. That is terrible. Kids should be playing at their age group pretty much once a week every week from March to September.

That's not going to cause burnout, it's just going to give kids loads of football. They should then only be training once a week. I agree burnout is more about over training than too many matches.

I really like this Celtic challenge hurling getting more young players regular weekly matches. They're only allowed one training session a week.

I'd like in Ulster for them to do a mini version of it at u13 and u15. Get 3 Antrim teams, 2 Derry, 2 Down and then teams from all the other counties. Try to get teams playing 7 or 8 matches.

Something similar in other weak hurling areas would be good. Keep guys in the game.

Sounds like county boards need to get better underage competitions across the country.

To be honest I think u13 should be played 9 a side at club level anyway. Going up to 11 a side at u15 and 13 and 15 a side from u17 up. Get young players getting more touches per game. Getting them learning the game incrementally.

You go to 9 and 11 a side it's easier for teams to field. Big clubs can field more teams and there's just more football for everyone."
You write too much sense to be on here!
One think I have noticed is that at 14/15/16/17 counties have development squads that are playing in tournament's so all the underage games stop for these. Seriously we are now importing the problems of senior into underage. I would do away with all underage levels at county level and ensure that club competitions run from April to September with each team guaranteed 12 games then schools can have the rest. The fixation with elite level at underage will just drive more kids out of the sport. Spend the money saved on providing club's with coaches to bring up the standard of all the kids.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1804 - 15/08/2017 13:50:58    2033614

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Replying To keeper7:  "In theory, it's a good rule but, like all rules, there are exceptions. Amalgamating with a neighbouring club for minor league & championship is one possible solution."
Not in some area's it isn't..........


You're right to an extent. The rule was brought in to prevent player burn out , but that is 1% or less of minors playing for half a dozen teams and being pulled from pillar to post and as you say a lot of 17 year olds in a lot of counties will only get a handful of minor games a year and that's not enough to sustain their interest let alone develop them.

It was a well intentioned rule badly executed.

IMO change the IC rules that if a young lad is on a senior panel , they are automatically ruled out of U21 inter county grade. If you're an IC U21 then you're ruled out of the minors and so forth.

That'll solve the burn out issue among the elite players that the GPA and Croke Park are only interested in.

Rural clubs are being decimated by this.

bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 15/08/2017 13:57:37    2033620

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Theres a massive difference between senior and adult football at least in Dublin anyways there are hundreds of kids well developed and capable of playing in adult football and hurling , however few would be up to championship (senior) football different animal altogether.
Teams that struggle to field would be smaller clubs and not in senior championship , no issue with lads playing at that level and if it keeps a club afloat"
That level can be worse for juveniles to play in.

Theres plenty of washed up hatchet jobs at that level happy to take out a youngster looking a bit too big for there boots.

I wouldn't trust the standard of refereeing at that level to protect players.

I definitely don't trust opposition players to have a young players safety at heart.

This season in a division 2 game I witnessed a current 23 year old intercounty player elbow an 18 y old leaving cert student off the ball.

As for Ros and his s and c improvement leading to some sort of super strong 17 year olds, there are some no doubt but there are plenty who are not. I look at our u19 panel who are in a county division 1 final. About half or more of that team even are just not ready for adult football, most are on s&c programs but so are the adults they'd be expected to play against. There's a huge difference developmentally between a 17yo and a 21 yo.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4226 - 15/08/2017 14:16:34    2033635

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