There is no genetic make up difference between a fella born in Kilkenny and one born 20 miles over the road in Carlow, likewise with a young fella born in Dublin or 30 mins down the road in Wicklow. Theres no DNA/Genetic altering portal that you go to road from Borris to Goresbridge or the N11 at Fassaroe doesnt alter anything as you go from north to south, god knows i travel it enough and dont feel any difference.
blin fans i know think the same.

Now im off to tell Mrs Tom for our next child that rather than the 20min trip to Wexford General during labour im advocating a trip through Kiltealy into Borris and onwards to Kilkenny to ensure our next of kin has the correct genetic make up to make it with the hurl in hand, or maybe i might just ensure the gas and air is from Kilkenny along with the bottled water, that might work

Could be a christy moore song..

Ah, there's people here upon my word, from every corner of the world:
From Portalington. Portlaoise and Tullamore.
From Two Mile House and Poulaphouca, Blacktrench, Cutbush and Boolea,
Such a crowd I've never seen before.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 06/05/2016 11:33:59    1852517

The genetic make up is bulshi7 with a twist , its about belief , my lad has played against Kilkenny in hurling , I can tell you they've won once been beaten 3 maybe 4 times , of the times beaten they were beaten before taking to the pitch as they placed the Cats jersey on a pedestal , equally the young Cats took to the field with an arrogance stride of self confidence , if you get that into lads early that they are the best and destined to win they actually believe, equally players can get scared.
I remember the great Paudi talking in my club about the very same thing inner belief.

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 06/05/2016 13:22:52    1852558

Jack O'Connor & eamon Fitz are teachers/coaches in Kerry schools that have won All irelands at county and school level so they can provide their expertise to hot house talented players 5 days a week in the school.

Paidi O'se is an 8 time all ireland winner and is uncle to three of the purest footballers of the last 2 decades. Ogie Moran is father to David Moran. Tim Kennelly won 5 allireland and is father to Tadhg. Tommy Walsh is the son of Sean Walsh. Sean Walsh being the winner of 7 all irelands. Barry John Keane is the grandson of John Dowling who captained Kerry to an all ireland. I'm sure there are others. Pat spillane's nephew Killian is a future star with Kerry.

So when you say that Kerry winning stuff is nothing to do with it being in the blood I say read the above.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 06/05/2016 13:40:38    1852567

Surely that's the opposite to it being in the blood Realman? They've benefitted there in the example you just used of learning from some of the best out there in terms of ability and experience. Nurture over nature, surely?

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 06/05/2016 14:48:20    1852591

Realman, it's son following in father's footsteps coupled with a sprinkling of nepotism. It's why broadcasters' offspring become broadcasters, actors' siblings become actors, farmers, postmen etc. Monkey see monkey do. There is no gene responsible, it's application. Offspring of Kilkenny hurlers have a stick in their hand from the moment they are born. It's application!!! Do something often enough and you become very good at it. Practice makes perfect and all of that and no amount of money can replace work ethic and practice.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 06/05/2016 15:23:41    1852602

Surely that's the opposite to it being in the blood Realman? They've benefitted there in the example you just used of learning from some of the best out there in terms of ability and experience. Nurture over nature, surely?

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts:920 - 06/05/2016 14:48:20 1

You think all these lads were born as the rest of us and developed into great players by "nuture" because that's what you're saying if you say its not in their blood? I think genes have a bit to do with it.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 06/05/2016 15:36:51    1852608

There;s definitely something in those Kerry genes ;)
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realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 06/05/2016 15:40:30    1852609

Realman, I doubt genes end at a county border. if you live a couple of miles into Clare for example, do those same genes die out?

MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 06/05/2016 16:02:21    1852616

If there's nothing handed down via genes then how do you explain Enrique Iglesias and Julio Iglesias?

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 06/05/2016 16:49:19    1852625

Julio renowned for his neverending list of lady conquests. Enrique known for his ..... ah let's not go there!

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 06/05/2016 19:02:54    1852647

Realman2.....

The only thing you find in jeans is last nights change!

There are plenty of top class players who have parents who never kicked a football. While genetics is certainly a factor in the physical make up of a person, it's not a guarantee of success. Nurture is where it's at. The Kerry/Dublin players with famous parents were nurtured, along with the genetics they were given. And guys who have no family history in sport and burst onto the scene must be blood doping so!

Like jack O'Shea's young lad was in the Kerry panel for a couple of seasons, he was useless though!

If an athletics coach had not seen a young Usain Bolt kicking a ball around with his mates we might never have seen the fastest guy on the planet.

As another poster has said, success is cyclic and circumstance (luck) and timing are key to success.

It's all a combination of nature and nurture.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 06/05/2016 19:09:11    1852648

There is no such thing as being in the blood. There is such thing as rinse and repeat. Training, training and more training. Provided you are doing the right type of training, and all the bells and whistles that go along with that too.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 06/05/2016 19:11:11    1852650

JayP - for once we agree, its a combination of genes/blood and nuture. Most poster seem to think its only nuture.

realman2 (Kildare) - Posts: 464 - 06/05/2016 19:26:52    1852652

Nuture?I think it's time this thread was neutered.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 06/05/2016 19:35:37    1852655

Like jack O'Shea's young lad was in the Kerry panel for a couple of seasons, he was useless though!


Not sure if your aware but ever since early in his career Jack O Sheas son Aidan has some very debilitating injuries which many lesser people would have packed it in long before he did but unfortunately it became too much for him and had to retire before his time.

Yes maybe not the standard of the top Kerry players but on his day ive seen him be very impressive for his club Glenbeigh and won a county championship with mid kerry for their first title in years scoring the winning goal.

Yes he was on the panel for a season or two and while he did not reach the heights of others to call him useless is a bit over the top.

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 06/05/2016 19:48:11    1852657

Nature or Nurture? A little of both?

Can i present the interesting case of Paul Brogan.

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/keeping-it-in-the-brogan-family-30006942.html

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 07/05/2016 09:23:55    1852684

It's well known that those Kerry panels are well known for having useless players. Useless in Kerry is still way above most other county players!

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7373 - 07/05/2016 10:09:59    1852690