Indeed Ollie you are right. The eire og team had won all before them, now the old memory is fading but if I recall correctly it was either 12 or 11 of that team started against Meath that day with the rest on bench. Carlow were fav to win and transfer their club success against a young inexperienced Meath team, who had lost all bar 2 of their leaders, Sean himself was challanged for the management position for the first time at previous AGM. Meath were very much underdogs that day.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/03/2016 09:37:12    1837223

Damothedub, what I am saying is just the reality. How many Dublin teams have featured prominently across all levels and both codes since that decision was made? How many were doing so before it was made? It is just the reality man. You assume it is a criticism of Dublin but it is actually just an observation about the power of money in the game. I don't get why you lads get so bent out of shape about that. It would actually be an interesting topic of debate if guys weren't so precious.

The worst part is that plenty of the same guys will make the very same point about man city, Chelsea or barcelona over on the soccer forum. Why the double standard here?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 24/03/2016 09:37:47    1837224

I would also go with Sean Kelly, in my opinion the last relevant President the Association had.

Managed to push through Rule 42, we now have an excellent chance of staging a Rugby World Cup and being able to show of the GAA's fantastic facilities to millions worldwide.

The Christy Ring, Rackard and Meagher cups were an inspired move and I am convinced Kerry hurling would not have become what it is at present without these competitions being introduced, and I think there are a few more counties which will see how Kerry utilised their Christy Ring experience and follow suit.

Likewise the All Ireland Intermediate and Junior competitions have been a brilliant addition to the GAA and small clubs get a wonderful opportunity to do something really special on a national stage.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 24/03/2016 10:40:44    1837246

Yes but what influence did Sean Boylan have on GAA as a whole ? Your just picking who you like ? Also did Meath not get to like Leinster finals in 94&95 ?

I can understand people picking Sean Kelly , Brian Cody or Mickey Harte but Sean Boylan hardly merits getting picked .

Sean Kelly's deserves massive kudos for implementing the junior and intermediate competitions .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 24/03/2016 11:06:25    1837260

Damothedub, what I am saying is just the reality. How many Dublin teams have featured prominently across all levels and both codes since that decision was made? How many were doing so before it was made? It is just the reality man. You assume it is a criticism of Dublin but it is actually just an observation about the power of money in the game. I don't get why you lads get so bent out of shape about that. It would actually be an interesting topic of debate if guys weren't so precious.

The worst part is that plenty of the same guys will make the very same point about man city, Chelsea or barcelona over on the soccer forum. Why the double standard here?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts:15168 - 24/03/2016 09:37:47 1837224

I will discuss money with you the day you discuss talent , the most precious commodity we have , secondly you brush over constantly when challenged by Jimbodub and others to discuss the disparity in finances in your own province , you are focused on one anomaly only ,

You have a fixed idea of right and wrong

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 24/03/2016 11:07:38    1837262

Damo the reason Leitrim can't win the Connaught title is........Dublin.

The reason Apollo Creed died in Rocky iv was........Dublin.

Dublin also were responsible for hurricane Katrina.

TheMaster

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 24/03/2016 11:35:41    1837270

Gotmilk Royaldunne is correct and right when he said that Meath were underdogs against Carlow. The year before the Dubs beat the Royals in the Leinster final by ten points. Eire Og from Carlow were All Ireland club champions in 1996. That Meath team that year came from nowhere and won Sam that year.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts:8866 - 23/03/2016 21:55:31

Unfortunately Ollie, that great Eire Og side never did win the All Ireland. Leinster champions 5 times in 6 or 7 years and All Ireland finalists twice against Munster sides, going to a replay in 92. I would agree with many names listed above, such as Cody, Loughnane, Harte, McGuinness, Kernan and DEFINITELY the O'Se's, Paidi in particular bringing Kerry back to the top. I also think the current Dublin set up has brought the game to professional status in all but name. This has also killed the dual player from GAA by the way (not Dublin's fault I might add).

BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts:6 - 24/03/2016 08:58:19 1837209

Yes correct and right BaldyBadger. My mistake. P.S I love the username.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 24/03/2016 13:16:31    1837324

I will discuss money with you the day you discuss talent , the most precious commodity we have , secondly you brush over constantly when challenged by Jimbodub and others to discuss the disparity in finances in your own province , you are focused on one anomaly only ,
You have a fixed idea of right and wrong
Damothedub

But the talent doesn't get developed without the money - the example I gave you illustrates that unequivocally. So what is the point about talking about talent, when money supersedes it?
As for 'brushing over' the daft point jimbo makes. I don't actually take it seriously to be honest. It is the equivalent North Korea complaining about Fine Gael not listening to the public... Also, if you actually consider what I write, you will see that I am all for addressing the disparities countrywide in a fair and reasonable manner. This argument seems to want Connacht to be addressed, and yourselves to be ignored. I mean, are you for real? You cant expect to be taken seriously when you push that point.




Damo the reason Leitrim can't win the Connaught title is........Dublin.
The reason Apollo Creed died in Rocky iv was........Dublin.
Dublin also were responsible for hurricane Katrina.
TheMaster
JayP

No. Just what I said actually. Can you address what I said? and I don't mean deflect onto some facetious point about Leitrim that you don't even believe yourself, I mean actually address what was stated. You seem to be just too precious about your own county to wilfully engage in a reasoned debate. Like I have to ask, what is acceptable to you? That everyone give Dublin every advantage and then turn around and say how talented they are? Seriously like, are you joking? If the roles were reversed would you do that? Id seriously hope you wouldn't be that much of a pushover. Get real man.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 24/03/2016 13:24:23    1837328

Therightstuff tbh that's a very silly answer and ignorance of what Sean actually did in 96, over half of those that competed in 94/95 teams had retired, no one knew the names of the team let alone have them household names by end of year. Also he did it without any changes in starting 15 until replayed final, furthermore you say you can understand harte and McGuinness, well that's where Sean was a genius he didn't need to stop opposition playing, he had trained them so perfectly that they just went and blew other teams away, there was never this view that they have better players than us so lets put 15 behind the ball, it was man for man, imho that rates so much higher Tha what McGuinness/harte brought to football, which has been to its detriment. Now Dublin are reversing that trend back to where the actual best team of the championship wins it. Something Sean had in abundance was actual talent in his methods of his players, who went man for man in the knowledge they were better than them and to do that with a bunch of kids virtually, is some achievement and rates higher Tha any other mangers achievement over last 20 years.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/03/2016 14:27:53    1837351

Now now, it was that steroid fuelled Commie ******* that killed Apollo, although Jim Gavin does have that eastern European sinister coach look about him...

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 24/03/2016 14:38:17    1837360

Have to agree with the money being invested in Dublin GAA is a major factor in their success. There has been a concerted investment in Dublin for the last 20 years by Croke Park. It would be like the FA investing vast sums of money in a London club like Spurs (because London is where the population is). How would that be fair on the other clubs for the governing body to invest money in one club over others in a competition run by the same governing body? And what would be considered a good return on that investment?

not2bad (Galway) - Posts: 112 - 24/03/2016 17:50:06    1837442

RD if Harte or McGuinness sent their teams out to stop other teams playing then how did they win AI's? stopping a team from playing is something a team with no chance of winning does to keep the scores respectable. Tyrone and Donegal did what any winning side does and that is outscore the opposition. Why must there be a moral high ground as to how a team gets over the line? especially when the same Meath teams that you praise and praise they deserve, but they had their own controversial and well documented methods of getting an edge on their opponents, didn't they? All that said there is no doubt that Sean Boylan was a top manager who deserves to be discussed on this thread.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2386 - 24/03/2016 18:13:39    1837451

RoyalDunne - TBF , very few people take your opinions that serious so I won't either .

So JMG didn't have the players to go man to man : if so should he have got beaten out the gate ?

Should we of went man to man and got hammered ? What a comment to make lol. You are sadly living in the past .

As you said before Royal Dunne - Donegal didn't have the best players ever so more credit to JMG .

Enjoy living in the past RD .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 24/03/2016 18:20:17    1837454

In relation to Sean Boylan - awesome manager and close to the best ever however the most influential in the past 20 years ? How exactly ?

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 24/03/2016 18:27:18    1837457

TheMaster....

Like I have asked you, and jimbo has on many occasions. What do you think Mayo could do to address the inequality in Connaught!?

I expect a long silence and no answer. It's the way you operate. I have owned you too many times on the funding issue with Dublin. I feel the only way to answer your predictable bile about Dublin is to reply with comedy. Jim Gavinski was related to Ivan Drago hermit!!!

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 24/03/2016 19:03:04    1837464

I can see how Brian Cody is one of the most successful managers in recent times, I can see how he is one of the most respected, I can see how he could be considered the best and how he could be peoples favourite...

But how is he the most influential?

That word has a meaning you know, so how was Cody the most influential? How did he influence the game other than just winning titles?

Mickey Harte influenced things, his teams changed the game and other teams changed in reaction to that. He was influential. Sean Kelly changed the status quo, he changed how the game itself ran, he was influential. Other people, teams and counties reacted and changed because of what Harte and Kelly did.

How was Cody influential? What are the people of Wexford, Limerick or Derry doing differently because of Brian Cody?

Steve (Fermanagh) - Posts: 293 - 24/03/2016 20:05:26    1837477

How was Cody influential? What are the people of Wexford, Limerick or Derry doing differently because of Brian Cody?

Steve (Fermanagh) - Posts:275 - 24/03/2016 20:05:26 1

He made every other county in hurling feel inferior :-)

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 24/03/2016 20:10:20    1837478

Damothedub, what I am saying is just the reality. How many Dublin teams have featured prominently across all levels and both codes since that decision was made? How many were doing so before it was made? It is just the reality man. You assume it is a criticism of Dublin but it is actually just an observation about the power of money in the game. I don't get why you lads get so bent out of shape about that. It would actually be an interesting topic of debate if guys weren't so precious.

The worst part is that plenty of the same guys will make the very same point about man city, Chelsea or barcelona over on the soccer forum. Why the double standard here?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts:15175 - 24/03/2016 09:37:47 1837224

Master , I get bent out of shape when I see someone on a crusade , I have never ever seen you come out and admit you were wrong on anything , Hoganstand should not be about being right it's not a debating completion but your not the only poster guilty of that.
I brought the talent issue up because I honestly don't believe you have a clue about what happens at ground level , you haven't a notion of how development squads are run in Dublin or any county for that matter , I do .
When it comes to squads it's the parents that are out of pocket , I've meet people from every single senior hurling county and know exactly how they train , how often and what they get equipment wise etc etc etc
Dublin lads meet with unpaid coaches about 8-10 times in a year approx will play possibly 5-6 games a year , receive one pair of socks , one pair of nicks and a training top . My food bill has gone through the roof why because my fella arrived home with 8 sheets for his sports nutrition programme , didn't meet a nutrionist was just given a sheet , no different to most counties , were the money goes is into trying to buy hearts and minds in Dublin schools , GAA pay preachers but it's worth fec7 all if the talent isn't there , at ground level in Dublin it's a struggle no different to anywhere else , kids want to play others sports and some no sports at all , I'm in my club 5-6 days a week with many other unpaid volunteers , that's were I pick up my information .you never answered the how involved thread are you ? Which would have me very suspicious of your actual involvement .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 25/03/2016 08:34:17    1837507

Steve, Cody has been influential as he has brought about the complete abolition of ground hurling, his teams were big, strong and phenomenal in the air and others have now copied. In my day if you didn't get the ball up first time you lashed it along the ground you'd practically never see that now. This has also coincided with the demise of a county well regarded for their skills on the ground Offaly.

So whilst I don't think he is the most influential to say he hasn't been influential isn't correct.

duckula20 (Antrim) - Posts: 175 - 25/03/2016 09:23:41    1837514

Hermit- I would go with Sean Kelly as he did great work but would also include Peter Quinn - because without him we would not have the fine stadium that is Croke Park- Another interesting Stat- neither of them were paid Presidents like the guys now on 110k plus -plus expenses! There have been some great managers like Cody, Harte, Boylan, McGrath and I would include the present Dublin manager, going further back you had O'Dywer, Heffernan are another couple of good examples.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 25/03/2016 09:57:28    1837524