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Replying To GeniusGerry: "Nostalgia might be playing a part here as well. The 2000's were a golden period for football IMO. You had two outstanding teams in Tyrone and Kerry, and a clutch of very good teams all capable of winning Sam like Armagh, Galway, Meath, Cork etc. battling it out at various times. It was fascinating looking back on it. It's nowhere near as competitive now, partly because Dublin have raised the bar a notch, and partly because all of the above have fallen away a bit for various reasons.
You would imagine that given Dublin's recent achievements they are worth 3-4 places minimum, but looking at Spillane's team, there really was some magnificent players around in the 00's. Who get's picked where is down to opinion (and usually bias) after that. Nobody is right or wrong, and it's not worth getting upset over." Maybe a golden period for you as Kerry won so many AI's!
I disagree that the 00's were more competitive than now. Granted you had Galway / Meath / Armagh early in the decade but after that it was 2 teams with everyone else well off the pace. This decade we have had Cork early on, but after that a very competitive period with Dublin, Mayo, Kerry, Donegal all capable of beating each other on a given day. Tyrone are coming strong again now and hopefully Donegal can stay in that bracket.
himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 293 - 14/12/2016 11:28:22
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Cluxton
Marc O Se
D Fay-just about within 15 years
Ryan McM
T O Se
S Moynihan
P Jordan
D O Se
S Cavanagh
Connolly
C McDonald
B MGuigan
P Canavan
P Joyce
C Cooper
lowballplease (Galway) - Posts: 935 - 14/12/2016 13:46:39
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Replying To himachechy: "Maybe a golden period for you as Kerry won so many AI's!
I disagree that the 00's were more competitive than now. Granted you had Galway / Meath / Armagh early in the decade but after that it was 2 teams with everyone else well off the pace. This decade we have had Cork early on, but after that a very competitive period with Dublin, Mayo, Kerry, Donegal all capable of beating each other on a given day. Tyrone are coming strong again now and hopefully Donegal can stay in that bracket." The problem is the definition of 'golden period' is loose. In the 00's Armagh and Tyrone won their first ever AI's at senior level so there will be an air of romance around it, then there was a competitive rivalry between two excellent teams. Same as the 90's has the air of romance in hurling because Wexford and Clare won after a long period in the wilderness, the non-traditional counties were winning regularly. As a result people will look back with rose tinted glasses. This decade Cork, Dublin, Donegal and Kerry have all won it before therefore its seen as nothing particularly special which probably explains the under representation of players from the 10's onward on this team.
I wouldn't get overly upset about it though, good old Pat will probably come out with something completely different in a year or two.
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Gks: Stephen Cluxton / Diarmuid Murphy / Paul Durcan
Full/Corner Backs: Ryan McManoman / Philly McMahon / Seán Marty Lockhart / Séamus Moynihan / Justin McMahon / Graham Canty / Anthony Lynch / Marc Ó Sé / Karl Lacey / Neil McGee
Centre/Half Backs: Tomás Ó Sé / Lee Keegan / James McCarthy / Kieran McGeeney / Cian O'Sullivan / Conor Gormley / Philip Jordan / Keith Higgins
MFs: Darragh Ó Sé / Seán Cavanagh / Paul McGrane / Ciarán Whelan / Kieran Hughes / Séamus O'Shea
Centre/Half Forwards: Paul Galvin / Paul Flynn / Brian Dooher / Brian McGuigan / Ciarán McDonald / Diarmuid Connolly / Declan O'Sullivan / Oisín McConville / Michael Donnellan / Alan Brogan / Eamon O'Hara / Leighton Glynn
Full/Corner Forwards: Declan Browne / Bernard Brogan / Peter Canavan / MF Russell / Stevie McDonnell / Colm Cooper / Michael Murphy / Ronan Clarke / Benny Coulter / Paddy Bradley / Pádraig Joyce / Dessie Dolan
A couple of minutes work and the first players that came to mind. I'm sure there are plenty of players that others can think of that are deserving of mentions. The point being is that "Best 15s" like these are nearly impossible to pick.
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Replying To MesAmis: "Gks: Stephen Cluxton / Diarmuid Murphy / Paul Durcan
Full/Corner Backs: Ryan McManoman / Philly McMahon / Seán Marty Lockhart / Séamus Moynihan / Justin McMahon / Graham Canty / Anthony Lynch / Marc Ó Sé / Karl Lacey / Neil McGee
Centre/Half Backs: Tomás Ó Sé / Lee Keegan / James McCarthy / Kieran McGeeney / Cian O'Sullivan / Conor Gormley / Philip Jordan / Keith Higgins
MFs: Darragh Ó Sé / Seán Cavanagh / Paul McGrane / Ciarán Whelan / Kieran Hughes / Séamus O'Shea
Centre/Half Forwards: Paul Galvin / Paul Flynn / Brian Dooher / Brian McGuigan / Ciarán McDonald / Diarmuid Connolly / Declan O'Sullivan / Oisín McConville / Michael Donnellan / Alan Brogan / Eamon O'Hara / Leighton Glynn
Full/Corner Forwards: Declan Browne / Bernard Brogan / Peter Canavan / MF Russell / Stevie McDonnell / Colm Cooper / Michael Murphy / Ronan Clarke / Benny Coulter / Paddy Bradley / Pádraig Joyce / Dessie Dolan
A couple of minutes work and the first players that came to mind. I'm sure there are plenty of players that others can think of that are deserving of mentions. The point being is that "Best 15s" like these are nearly impossible to pick." On 1st glance Cian O'Sullivan and Kieran Hughes are horribly out of their depth there Mes :)
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 14/12/2016 15:47:36
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Replying To MesAmis: "Gks: Stephen Cluxton / Diarmuid Murphy / Paul Durcan
Full/Corner Backs: Ryan McManoman / Philly McMahon / Seán Marty Lockhart / Séamus Moynihan / Justin McMahon / Graham Canty / Anthony Lynch / Marc Ó Sé / Karl Lacey / Neil McGee
Centre/Half Backs: Tomás Ó Sé / Lee Keegan / James McCarthy / Kieran McGeeney / Cian O'Sullivan / Conor Gormley / Philip Jordan / Keith Higgins
MFs: Darragh Ó Sé / Seán Cavanagh / Paul McGrane / Ciarán Whelan / Kieran Hughes / Séamus O'Shea
Centre/Half Forwards: Paul Galvin / Paul Flynn / Brian Dooher / Brian McGuigan / Ciarán McDonald / Diarmuid Connolly / Declan O'Sullivan / Oisín McConville / Michael Donnellan / Alan Brogan / Eamon O'Hara / Leighton Glynn
Full/Corner Forwards: Declan Browne / Bernard Brogan / Peter Canavan / MF Russell / Stevie McDonnell / Colm Cooper / Michael Murphy / Ronan Clarke / Benny Coulter / Paddy Bradley / Pádraig Joyce / Dessie Dolan
A couple of minutes work and the first players that came to mind. I'm sure there are plenty of players that others can think of that are deserving of mentions. The point being is that "Best 15s" like these are nearly impossible to pick." Most of those I couldn't complain about. Kieran Hughes though???? I don't think he's the best midfielder in his house never mind over the last 15 years. Under O'Rourke Monaghan have never been very strong in the middle of the park. When Fermanagh played them in Breffni two years ago Eoin Donnelly lorded the middle of the park, picked up the Irish News MOTM even though Monaghan won.
From a Femanagh perspective I think Barry Owens deserves a mention. One of the best full backs I've ever seen play the game in his prime. Destroyed many big name forwards. Did you mention Mattie Forde? Another who deserves to be mentioned as one of the better pliers over the last 15 years.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 14/12/2016 15:56:57
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Replying To MesAmis: "Gks: Stephen Cluxton / Diarmuid Murphy / Paul Durcan
Full/Corner Backs: Ryan McManoman / Philly McMahon / Seán Marty Lockhart / Séamus Moynihan / Justin McMahon / Graham Canty / Anthony Lynch / Marc Ó Sé / Karl Lacey / Neil McGee
Centre/Half Backs: Tomás Ó Sé / Lee Keegan / James McCarthy / Kieran McGeeney / Cian O'Sullivan / Conor Gormley / Philip Jordan / Keith Higgins
MFs: Darragh Ó Sé / Seán Cavanagh / Paul McGrane / Ciarán Whelan / Kieran Hughes / Séamus O'Shea
Centre/Half Forwards: Paul Galvin / Paul Flynn / Brian Dooher / Brian McGuigan / Ciarán McDonald / Diarmuid Connolly / Declan O'Sullivan / Oisín McConville / Michael Donnellan / Alan Brogan / Eamon O'Hara / Leighton Glynn
Full/Corner Forwards: Declan Browne / Bernard Brogan / Peter Canavan / MF Russell / Stevie McDonnell / Colm Cooper / Michael Murphy / Ronan Clarke / Benny Coulter / Paddy Bradley / Pádraig Joyce / Dessie Dolan
A couple of minutes work and the first players that came to mind. I'm sure there are plenty of players that others can think of that are deserving of mentions. The point being is that "Best 15s" like these are nearly impossible to pick." Paul Barden Longford and Mattie Forde Wexford are 2 more deserving a mention Mes
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Replying To MesAmis: "Gks: Stephen Cluxton / Diarmuid Murphy / Paul Durcan
Full/Corner Backs: Ryan McManoman / Philly McMahon / Seán Marty Lockhart / Séamus Moynihan / Justin McMahon / Graham Canty / Anthony Lynch / Marc Ó Sé / Karl Lacey / Neil McGee
Centre/Half Backs: Tomás Ó Sé / Lee Keegan / James McCarthy / Kieran McGeeney / Cian O'Sullivan / Conor Gormley / Philip Jordan / Keith Higgins
MFs: Darragh Ó Sé / Seán Cavanagh / Paul McGrane / Ciarán Whelan / Kieran Hughes / Séamus O'Shea
Centre/Half Forwards: Paul Galvin / Paul Flynn / Brian Dooher / Brian McGuigan / Ciarán McDonald / Diarmuid Connolly / Declan O'Sullivan / Oisín McConville / Michael Donnellan / Alan Brogan / Eamon O'Hara / Leighton Glynn
Full/Corner Forwards: Declan Browne / Bernard Brogan / Peter Canavan / MF Russell / Stevie McDonnell / Colm Cooper / Michael Murphy / Ronan Clarke / Benny Coulter / Paddy Bradley / Pádraig Joyce / Dessie Dolan
A couple of minutes work and the first players that came to mind. I'm sure there are plenty of players that others can think of that are deserving of mentions. The point being is that "Best 15s" like these are nearly impossible to pick." Have to have John Galvin in midfield. he'd clean out anybody on his day!!
superdub (Dublin) - Posts: 392 - 14/12/2016 19:18:50
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MesAmis I would take a couple of minutes more if I were you. And put the drink away as well.
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Replying To superdub: "Have to have John Galvin in midfield. he'd clean out anybody on his day!!" Cormac mcanallen was a super full back,probably would have been up there with the best of them if he had of had the time given to him,rip cormac.
blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 882 - 14/12/2016 20:22:29
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Kevin Hughes I meant.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 14/12/2016 20:43:59
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1. Cluxton
2. M O Se
3. Michael Shields
4. Ricey
5. T O Se
6. McGeeney
7. Jordan
8. D O Se
9. Cavanagh
10. Dooher
11. Declan O Sullivan
12. Connolly
13. Gooch
14. Canavan
15. Joyce
Jackos_Wacko (Kerry) - Posts: 417 - 14/12/2016 21:28:49
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Stephen O'Neill anyone?
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 14/12/2016 21:56:54
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Pascal McConnell was a great keeper as well and should be up there.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 14/12/2016 22:37:29
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Replying To The_Fridge: "Stephen O'Neill anyone?" One of my favourite forwards. Had exceptional season in 2005. Unfortunately due to injuries missed a lot of football. I would probably have Gooch, Bernard Brogan and Padraig Joyce ahead of him.
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For the full back position Barry Owens should be in there.Best pure full back of the 21st century in my opinion he was a great footballer.
Graham Canty would be a good candidate for full back also.
uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 15/12/2016 05:13:21
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On 1st glance Cian O'Sullivan and Kieran Hughes are horribly out of their depth there Mes :)
Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts:10725 - 14/12/2016 15:47:36
I meant Hub Hughes from Tyrone. Mea culpa! I always liked him as a midfielder though.
At the risk of being a bit Clondalkin about it I'll defend my inclusion of Cian O'Sullivan ;) He's won an All-Ireland at corner back, midfield and now two at centre back. I think he's an excellent and very versatile footballer.
I see that I left out both Matty Forde and Stephen O'Neill which is crazy too but I was just going with the first names that came into my head as that was the point that these things are extremely difficult and subjective. Conor McManus over the last few years surely deserves a mention too.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 15/12/2016 09:43:26
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1. Cluxton
2. M O Se
3. Fay
4. Phillip McMahon
5. T O Se
6. Moynihan
7. Jordan
8. Fenton
9. D O Se
10. Flynn
11. S Cavanagh
12. Connolly
13. Cooper
14. Canavan
15. B Brogan
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Replying To MesAmis: "On 1st glance Cian O'Sullivan and Kieran Hughes are horribly out of their depth there Mes :)
Breffni39 (Cavan) - Posts:10725 - 14/12/2016 15:47:36
I meant Hub Hughes from Tyrone. Mea culpa! I always liked him as a midfielder though.
At the risk of being a bit Clondalkin about it I'll defend my inclusion of Cian O'Sullivan ;) He's won an All-Ireland at corner back, midfield and now two at centre back. I think he's an excellent and very versatile footballer.
I see that I left out both Matty Forde and Stephen O'Neill which is crazy too but I was just going with the first names that came into my head as that was the point that these things are extremely difficult and subjective. Conor McManus over the last few years surely deserves a mention too." Ah come on man, Kevin Hughes?
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Problem as always with most selection like this or the All Stars are players are named out of position to make room for them. The only way these individual awards are going to be respected is if the player is picked as the very best for that year in a sole position.
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