KY4SAM2015
County: Kerry
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Im not going to go over 2011 again as it was over four years ago.

The ref made a some dubious calls on the day

You're right.

I still don't know how Dublin didn't get that peno in the second half. Blatant pick up in the small square.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13711 - 06/11/2015 12:42:54    1804930

Dublin were the better team in the first half in 2011 and they overpowered Kerry in the last ten minutes of the game.In fact that was widely predicted by analysts that if Dublin were within a few points of Kerry going into the last 10 minutes of the game, Dublin would prevail and that is what happened. So it should not have been hugely surprising to Kerry. In any event Dublin have now won three All-Irelands in the last five years and three National Leagues in a row which is surely an outstanding success and I think they are showing to be wonderful ambassadors for the game.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 06/11/2015 12:44:03    1804931

fainleog
County: Limerick
Posts: 244

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Dublin were the better team in the first half in 2011 and they overpowered Kerry in the last ten minutes of the game.In fact that was widely predicted by analysts that if Dublin were within a few points of Kerry going into the last 10 minutes of the game, Dublin would prevail and that is what happened. So it should not have been hugely surprising to Kerry. In any event Dublin have now won three All-Irelands in the last five years and three National Leagues in a row which is surely an outstanding success and I think they are showing to be wonderful ambassadors for the game.
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Good post! I predict before this decade is done there will be general recognition by all fair minded sporting people who love gaelic games that we are actually probably witnessing the best and most professional gaelic football team of all time to date. I never thought I'd live to see another team as good as Kerry's 70s/80s golden years (Tyrone at their best came damn close) but the Dublin team of this generation will surpass them all.

JamesH (Mayo) - Posts: 465 - 06/11/2015 19:24:28    1805035

H/S is becoming like a soccer forum, who can wind up the others the best.
We lost and we lost fair and square.
We didn't show up on the day but either did Dublin yet they won and we didn't.
Speculating what might have happened is pointless.
Let Dublin enjoy their success any real fan knows how hard earned it is.
I think we will see each other next August and we will pick things up again then.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 06/11/2015 21:38:42    1805073

http://hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=254127

Disgraceful comments from Fitzmaurice labelling Dublin's treatment of Kieran Donaghy as "rape and pillage" .Should be apologising for his horrible choice of words

Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 25/04/2016 12:17:37    1849060

he was dead right.donaghy(and indeed aidan o shea) is constantly fouled."hes so big sure he can take it?" rules are rules.he was being held back and fouled every time a ball was kicked in to him.hes no angel but he deserves to be reffed to the rules as they are.

kavvie (Clare) - Posts: 505 - 25/04/2016 12:22:52    1849065

Yes a really poor choice of words imo

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 25/04/2016 12:29:01    1849071

Just read the article there. Wow.

Don't really know what to say.

Strange choice of words. I'm sure he will regret the use of them upon reflection.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 25/04/2016 12:29:44    1849072

Dublin are the best team in Ireland.

Anyone watching that game yesterday and saw the constant fouling on Donaghy would understand EF frustration.

A stone wall penalty at the end even though it was immaterial at that stage is the best example.

Atleast EF interviews are honest and not using the same old lines... "We are expecting a hard game or we need to get ready for this challenge.. when it's Longford in first round of the championship.
There is also no smugness from EF.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 25/04/2016 12:33:47    1849075

No mention of Donaghy's constant fouling though no?!

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 25/04/2016 12:42:53    1849082

As a big lad I can say the article is bang on with regards to what Donaghy goes through and I have brought it up before with regards to him, O'Shea, Murphy etc. I feel for these players as when you watch what they have to put up with its not on. People are going on about the stupidity of the Hail Mary balls in to Donaghy yesterday but the fact is if he wasn't being quite often fouled when said ball was coming in he would probably have won possession the majority of the times and it could have been a good tactic to use. Now, Donaghy can be his own worst enemy as he was a bit wreckless in his tackling but having been there myself I wonder how much of what you see out of Donaghy comes from frustration at the lack of protection from the ref?

The big lad gets nothing from referees in general when it comes to Gaelic Football. I had referees saying to me "Sure you're a big lad and can handle it" and similar comments when I used to point out to them that I was being fouled the majority of times I went for a ball in the air. Yet by the same token, when I met a guy with a shoulder and put him on his arse the ref quite often would have blown me up. Although I wasn't a dirty player I still ended up with a number of red cards in my career and to be honest was born out of frustration at constantly being fouled, hit, held and getting no protection from the ref. Everybody has a point they can go to before they react and conveniently the refs always managed to see my reaction having missed everything else that went on up until that point.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 25/04/2016 12:45:28    1849088

The man is human. He was probably sick to the back teeth of watching donaghy get manhandled throughout the game. Maybe a poor choice of words, but then gouging donaghy's eye was a poor choice of action, the same people were trying to argue the guy's innocence on that front, let alone ask for an apology.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 25/04/2016 12:46:48    1849089

The same man (Donaghy) is no stranger to fouling. He had a least 8 fouls against Monaghan in the league, a probable black/soft red and 3 strong cases for yellow cards and nothing. (these were the fouls called). Holding a man in one huge paw and one handed catching the other is still a free (never given). This was not "big man fair hits" but elbows, clear fouls and a forearm smash. He was a Teflon man for cards though.

In fairness, when he actually played football he was class. Scored two absolute clinkers and destroyed us in midfield. Should not have been on the field to do it though.

Monaghan08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 188 - 25/04/2016 12:58:06    1849098

As a neutral, Dublin were the better team, even with A.O'M was still on the field, Donaghy was fouled, he should have had a penalty on rougly 63mins, but he was constantly complaining to the referee, even when he was dispossessed cleanly..... and that's Donaghy's problem half the time he is fouled the other half he's pretending he's fouled, nevertheless it was a penalty.
Some good football, but i missed having the national anthem at the start - i felt the game lacked because of it

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1676 - 25/04/2016 13:01:12    1849102

Donaghy has spent over ten years with his hand the face of full-backs while catching the ball with the other, while this takes no small amount of strength and skill its still a foul. No sympathy from me,

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 25/04/2016 13:07:19    1849111

Its a bit of a silly statement to be honest. Its almost an admission of not knowing what to do.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and expecting a different result.

Donaghy and other players like him have not been getting frees for years now. Its too hard for a referee to make a judgement calls the long ball in means they are trying to catch up with play and umpires rarely open their mouths. Its nothing new, Fitzmaurice admitted as much himself, "thats why we moved him out" and "We knew it coming up, we know playing the games that that's the way it's going to be and we just have to keep going"

So if you know thats how it is, know that he isnt going to get frees etc then why put him in there anyway? It was as if i cant think of anything else here so here goes nothing.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1344 - 25/04/2016 13:08:36    1849114

Maybe Kerry should have Cormac Reilly Reffing all their matches

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 25/04/2016 13:11:08    1849117

There's a manner to how you act in victory no more than how you handle defeat.

I always had great time for the Dublin fans you had Parnell Park core, those that were always on the road with them for the League and always up for a laugh.

But yesterday really encapsulated to me just how much they seem to have been swallowed up by this new generation from the post-2011 era who seem to have no respect or class.

Sure just look on here, we have to contend with fella's dredging up old topics like this to have a go, fella's coming onto the Kerry forum to have a laugh. How pathetic is that?

Then in front of the entire country you had supporters on the Hill and elsewhere jeering when Kerry players are taking free's and on the ball, laughing and cheering when Dublin are hand passing it among themselves in the past few minutes, jeering when Kerry are mentioned during the presentation.

I wonder what the decent Dublin fans on here think of that.

I couldn't defend it if Kerry fans acted like that.

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 25/04/2016 13:20:25    1849127

Listen.

Anyone saying the article is bang on is probably right when talking about the point itself.

The issue with the article is his choice of words to get that point across.

It is absolutely nothing like "rape and pillage" and to use those words is so wrong.

But. Emotions run high and i'd like to think he never meant it as it probably comes across as offensive to compare a guy getting pulled and dragged on a football pitch to rape.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 25/04/2016 13:23:42    1849132

Had to laugh watching the game yesterday Donaghy crying for not getting his frees. He's a serial fouler himself so now he knows what its like.

letterkennyGuy (Donegal) - Posts: 153 - 25/04/2016 13:33:11    1849143