mhunicean_abu
County: Monaghan
Posts: 235

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We don't believe in indian signs, voodoo or ant other s**t in Monaghan, any time Tyrone have beaten us was because they deserved it being the better team, except for once [the day the professional foul was invented ;)] Since that we have beaten them because we were the better team. I think we will win because we are that bit better and further on in our development. Monaghan don't fear anyone, why should they. Leave the voodoo s**t out of it lads

You should probably look up the Ulster final thread, before pronouncing that "We" as in Monaghan don't believe in Indian signs. As a few Monaghan posters mentioned how they had an Indian sign over Donegal.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 02/08/2015 18:48:50    1762635

Greengrass
County: Louth
Posts: 3816

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This is a very good Monaghan team that gets no credit . I would think your Tyrone friend could be a little disappointed come Saturday evening .

I agree that this is a very good Monaghan team, I think the perceived lack of credit is due to their failure to progress in the All Ireland series to date. They feel hurt that they aren't yet held in the same high esteem Nationally as Donegal, who have contested All Ireland final's and beaten on the big guns in the All Ireland series.

The particular Tyrone fan hails is a work colleague from near Strabane, and is normally fairly modest in predictions, I was a bit taken aback by how confident he was before they even had played Sligo. A few others from Tyrone, while less outspoken, concurred that they think Tyrone will scalp Monaghan.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 02/08/2015 19:03:02    1762656

patk
County: Monaghan
Posts: 383

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God Gary it seems that anytime Monaghan are playing you love to tell us how we'll lose! I wouldn't be surprised to go back to the threads before we played Fermanagh and see you tip them up.

First off, our win against Tyrone was a lot closer than it should have been. We were comfortable enough going into the last ten minutes or so and the old nerves crept in as Tyrone added a few points, we really would've thrown that away if we didn't win. I would say after that win, any inferiority complex we had about Tyrone is well and truly gone. I'd agree to be honest that the league doesn't mean much when it comes to this time of year, but then why were you referencing Tyrone's league performances in the thread about them being contenders.

Pat I do like Monaghan, and I do hold them in very high esteem. I also think an All Ireland title is within their grasp, but only if they can expand and adapt to the All Ireland series. To be honest, I would love any of the remaining Ulster sides to win the All Ireland.

Monaghan are exceptional in Ulster, and have proved themselves worthy rivals to Donegal and are comfortable playing defensive counter attacking football. However this will be their third attempt at an All Ireland QF in a row, and I feel they must finally make a statement of Intent and make the breakthrough.

Respect must be earned, Monaghan have earned respect in Ulster but have so far failed to make an Impact further south. They are viewed as a tough physical outfit, but are still viewed by many around Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Galway etc as behind the big 3 or 4.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 02/08/2015 19:28:35    1762682

Bottom line is gary you pick any team v monaghan end ov never remember you talking monaghan up tells a lot of your mindset keep talking up the opposition cos you will have a trail of wrong predictions big guy

prideof85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 851 - 02/08/2015 19:28:47    1762683

Despite the protestations to the contrary, I'm not convinced that most Monaghan fans would have preferred facing Tyrone instead of Galway. I'm pretty sure that Malachy O'Rourke would have rather been meeting the Tribesmen. Tyrone fans, on the other hand, got the draw we really did want, and are now facing the most beatable of the 4 provincial winners.

Monaghan are marginal favourites with the bookies, and justifiably so. They beat us in Clones and Omagh over the last 12 months, and are a physically stronger and more settled side at this point.

Still, Croke Park suits Tyrone, with it's true, fast surface. We have lots of pace and, even allowing for the opposition, there were signs in the last 2 games of an emerging sharpness in our attacking play. We've certainly had more good days at HQ in recent years than Monaghan have had.

Monaghan got the rub of the green in the Ulster final, from Donegal's wides, to the injuries to Lacey/Murphy, and even the drift on McBrearty's last gasp effort for an equaliser. They'll have to be better than that if they are to win on Saturday, and they'll also have to cope with the pressure of a highly expectant fanbase.

The mismatches that populated the last 3 months are over. There are 5 games left in the championship, and they could all go either way. I'm optimistic that the first of those will be edged in Tyrone's favour.

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 02/08/2015 19:37:28    1762694

Gary I agree with your overall point about us being successful in Ulster but failing to translate that to the All-Ireland series. I fully understand why other teams down the country wouldn't hold us in the same esteem as teams who have beat the big guns and won Sam, it makes sense.

I just think alot of people are quick to write us off against Tyrone, which is something I don't understand when you look at recent form. To me this is the best chance so far to win a quarter-final and make that next step, 3 weeks is the perfect preparation for it I think, and we will know what we are coming up against with Tyrone. It would be a major disappointment if we didn't make that progression this year, but I suppose we don't have to wait long to see how it plays out.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 936 - 02/08/2015 19:48:02    1762706

If we click next Saturday we will win well,Tyrone will go full blanket on Conor,but its Kierain Hughes and Darren Hughes that will have to stand up and drive at Tyrone.

A good start is very important for us,last year we missed a penalty,hit some woeful wides and should of been 6-8 points up at half time.

All this happened with Conor McManus not half fit,Kierain Hughes got injured half way through the first half,Eoin Lennon and Neil McAdam werent playing either due to injuries and travelling.

Its the Game the players wanted,the wrongs of 2 years ago will be put right Saturday evening.Monaghan to win by 1 to 5 points maybe more.

hardcore (Monaghan) - Posts: 1366 - 02/08/2015 19:55:12    1762712

I don't understand this nonsense about Monaghan going for revenge and putting wrongs to right. Didn't they do all that when they beat Tyrone in the Championship last year? Or again in the league this year? For how many years will this go on before revenge is considered extracted? If anyone should be fired up for the game it should be Tyrone after losing the last 2 meetings. The balance has changed in recent years. Monaghan are ulster champions 2 of the last 3 years and an established team. Tyrone are a young team in a state of transition and haven't beaten any team ranked above them in Champuonship for 5 or 6 years. People trying to paint this as big bad Tyrone against the plucky underdog Monaghan are distorting the facts. If anything it is the other way around and I'm sure the bookies will back this up. The pressure is on Monaghan next week to show they can go a step further more than Tyrone.

johnboy7 (Tyrone) - Posts: 79 - 02/08/2015 20:24:31    1762740

Thomas Clarke
County: Tyrone

Despite the protestations to the contrary, I'm not convinced that most Monaghan fans would have preferred facing Tyrone instead of Galway. I'm pretty sure that Malachy O'Rourke would have rather been meeting the Tribesmen. Tyrone fans, on the other hand, got the draw we really did want, and are now facing the most beatable of the 4 provincial winners.

Monaghan are marginal favourites with the bookies, and justifiably so. They beat us in Clones and Omagh over the last 12 months, and are a physically stronger and more settled side at this point.

Still, Croke Park suits Tyrone, with it's true, fast surface. We have lots of pace and, even allowing for the opposition, there were signs in the last 2 games of an emerging sharpness in our attacking play. We've certainly had more good days at HQ in recent years than Monaghan have had.

Monaghan got the rub of the green in the Ulster final, from Donegal's wides, to the injuries to Lacey/Murphy, and even the drift on McBrearty's last gasp effort for an equaliser. They'll have to be better than that if they are to win on Saturday, and they'll also have to cope with the pressure of a highly expectant fanbase.

The mismatches that populated the last 3 months are over. There are 5 games left in the championship, and they could all go either way. I'm optimistic that the first of those will be edged in Tyrone's favour.

I would have to agree with most of this, certainly from a Tyrone point of view, except for two points; that we got the rub of the green in the Ulster final. We scored nothing for the last 23 minutes but we had at least 4 easy scoreable chances during that time (easier than any of the ones we actually scored), any one of which would have ended the match as a contest. If their missed chances count then so should ours and secondly [obviously] that Tyrone will win. Remember when Tyrone had the best team in the country we were not afraid to put it up to them and we're certainly not now. Do you honestly think hand on heart that Malachy and the boys have not been preparing for Tyrone before Saturday's calamity

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 02/08/2015 20:33:58    1762754

They'll have to be better than that if they are to win on Saturday

I don't understand why you think Monaghan would to do better than that on Saturday,Tyrone haven't beaten Donegal in years so your point doesn't make any sense! Tyrone have beaten both Sligo and Tipperary without barely being tackled along the way,i think it might be a wee bit different on Saturday!!

yaladya (Monaghan) - Posts: 27 - 02/08/2015 21:45:10    1762819

Thomas Clarke makes a good point regarding the croke park factor. I have to agree, if this game was being played in clones or any other venue I'd be fully confident of a Tyrone defeat.

Monaghan fans are confident and rightfully so, they talk of putting the wrongs of two years ago right, they say things a different now. True things are different apart from the venue and Tyrone play well at HQ. It will suit us better since we are lighter and it must be said, we are faster.

It'll be a good game hey, Monaghan favourites for sure but it wont be easy for them and god help the fans if they have to go up the road second best to a back door Tyrone again in an All Ireland quarter final. That would be a pinch of salt on an already unhealed wound.

TyroneLegend78 (Tyrone) - Posts: 52 - 03/08/2015 08:52:07    1762840

Fact is Tyrone have not shown anything near the level Monaghan showed to beat Donegal this year so they are deserved favourites. Out of them and Dublin the bookies as with most normal people have Mayo further up the chain. Therefore tyrone obviously more happy with monaghan. That doesn't mean we are writing them off. I think you will find that's most of the other counties.

Personally I am hoping more than anything that we produce something special. I still think our downfall will be mc aliskey and mc curry not having it under pressure, no long range consistent free taker and lack of goals that will find us wanting on Saturday.

God but please let me be wrong!

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 03/08/2015 08:54:24    1762841

Patk - had no access this last night so couldn't reply to you. Think we got wires crossed, while I was agreeing that we haven't got a team of the calibre we had in the 00's, I was saying that Monaghan aren't at the level of those Tyrone teams either so what we have at present may still be enough to win next Saturday.
Wasn't referencing the Monaghan team from 00's, but when you do mention them I would actually say they weren't that far off the standard of your present team, your midfield options havent changed a lot and were younger and more mobile then, likewise Jap.Tommy Freeman was a more dangerous forward than anything at present with the obvious exception and Gary McQuaid would still walk into your halfback line. They could very easily of had 2 Ulster titles only for coming across Tyrone in two finals and they played in Divison 1 of the league for a couple of years.

benched (Tyrone) - Posts: 534 - 03/08/2015 10:17:02    1762885

This will be an interesting game alright...

Revenge - If Monaghan are still thinking back to '13 this may be more of a problem for them being preoccupied by something they have already done. They beat us in Ulster last year and the league this year under terrible conditions on a Saturday night after a light failure.

Venue - Clones and Healy Park are nothing compared to HQ. Tyrone seem to turn it on when it comes to croker. I don't think Tyrone will rue the miss chances Donegal did in the Ulster final.

Teams -
P McConnell; D Carlin, C Clarke, C McCarron; C McGinley, P Harte, C Gormley; C Cavanagh, S Cavanagh; Mattie Donnelly, M Donnelly, Joe McMahon; D McCurry, S O'Neill, M Penrose.

The Tyrone team from the 2013 game, we have half the team playing now than we did in 13, a lot have players have come and gone with Sean being the only player from 2003 and the McMahons and Colm from our last All-Ireland win in '08. With the introduction of the newer younger players we seem to have finally found a consistant 15 with Justy to come back in.

I'm not going to pretend I know an awful lot about the Monaghan team, but I would have to question the tactics that they played against Donegal. I think Tyrone will be able to exploit the holes with a few individuals. Monaghan do depend on McManus a lot and with McCarron and Justy to come back in I'm staying positive.

Rest - Tyrone will only have a week to prepare for Monaghan while Monaghan have had 3 weeks, To be fair Tyrone weren't pushed to a great degree but have had a run of positive games growing every time, whereas Monaghan have had time to recover, study and prepare for a Tyrone team that are likely to play a similar tactic.

Find_the_space (Tyrone) - Posts: 313 - 03/08/2015 11:46:32    1762963

I just cannot stand my fellow county posters still crying about what happened two years ago. get over it. Joe Brollys rant and then a load of crying and what did we gain from it = The unfamous black card. Lets hope this black card dosent come back to bite us in the arse on Saturday. Cavanagh did a rugby tackle, dozens had done it before and since. If we look at the statistics we should win it. Donegal beat Tyrone. We beat Donegal. We are Ulster champions. We still have most of our star players still playing on out team. Tyrones lost most of theirs through retirements. They shouldent be around at this end of the championship if we are to believe predictions. We beat Cavan and Fermanagh. Theyve beaten Meath, Sligo and Tipp. Theres just one problem as I see it. We are going into this game as red hot favourites and rightly so. And Donegal looked red hot on the day that they beat Tyrone by a point. They dident play like that again until late in their second half at the weekend. Tyrone looked very good against them in the second half of that match and havent looked anything near as promising since.Having said that they never had to show their true potential to win any of their games since. They will be delighted to have had a day out in Croke park before they play us. To conclude I look forward to getting to an all Ireland semi final but I wont be betting on it.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 03/08/2015 21:40:35    1763439

People posting about Tyrone being a bogey team for Monaghan I feel are more than a year too late. That bogey was laid to rest in Ulster last year and the league in February. This game is 50/50. Nobody I've spoken to can call it. As a Monaghan man, I feel we obviously respect a very good Tyrone team but no way should we be in awe of their form so far this year. They've seen off 4 teams we'd comfortably expect to beat. The only one of those 4 good enough to be in Division 2 are Meath and we've beaten them twice the last few seasons by an average of 18 points. There'll be no inferiority complex from either side come Saturday.

RightFull (Monaghan) - Posts: 74 - 04/08/2015 13:39:24    1763700

Good post border Gael, that pretty much sums up where both counties stand at the moment. Heres to a cracking game on Sunday, a better atmosphere at CP than last weekend and may the best team win.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 04/08/2015 16:39:35    1763865

I think we'll have 2 absolute humdingers sat brand - really hard to call either game!! What a day with the premiership starting also - so Carlsberg do do Saturday's!!

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 04/08/2015 21:52:47    1764064

Rightfull Monaghan. I wouldent count my chickens till theyre hatched. we can sing and dance on Saturday evening if its the right result but not beforehand.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 04/08/2015 21:59:19    1764071

Really we should win this. I think we have the better squad overall. The only worry I have is we have only played about 20/25 minutes of decent football in each of our three games before this. We were bested for large spells against Cavan and Fermanagh, the Ulster final we shut down at the 50 min mark. Tyrone are growing in confidence game by game. We need to be ruthless and put them down early and keep them there. If the heads are right it will be 4-5 points in our favour.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 05/08/2015 10:06:11    1764130