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Cusack's graph is merely showing as it is and has to be highlighted as for the previous fifty years Cork were winning at all levels on a par with Tipp (and even more in the seventies and eighties) and the rest of us were picking up the occasional scrap here and there. I am amazed that he did not point that the situation is made worse by the fact that at minor, club championship and senior grades the teams that won most of those Munster Championships, over the past seven or eight years failed to win All Irelands outright after, which may make the situation look even worse in that those Cork sides were not even beaten by exceptional teams.

The figures that Donal Og presented are true. They are also incomplete. They do not show our dominance at under 16, under 15 level in Munster. They do not show that we have won All-Irelands at under 17 level and under 14 level in the last few years and when we failed to win a competition we were nearly always the beaten finalists (ie 2nd best and not bottom of the pile). They do not show that we have started our academies and they do not show that our under-age county board went through a major over haul. These might be later than others but who can turn back the clock?

Donal Og's graph shows that we had a major slump. It does not show that the corner has been turned (in my opnion). We had a very good minor team this year. We hammered Limerick in the first round and due to the absurd nature of the championship, our reward was to play them again in the semi-final. We lost and we were out without another shot. In my mind unfair but them the rules for everybody and so be it. It was a good team though but again that is not shown in Donal Og graph.

Things are far from perfect by the way. We are still building this monstrosity of a stadium. Money would be best used for coaching.

I respect Donal Og and if there was ever a chance that he would be the Cork senior manager, I would welcome him with open arms. He knows the current executive dislike him and he has no chance so he talks pot shots at them. Hence my assertion that his graph paints an incomplete picture.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 28/07/2015 19:23:52    1760449

For a county that won so many All Irelands ye Kerry boys have an awful chip on your shoulder, regarding pundits I like Whelan and Mc Stay, Brolly I can take or leave but Spillane is a joke,all the guff from him about kick passing, I remember watching Kerry in the era of hand passing,it was more like basketball the way they threw the ball around,
Colm O'Rourke,you know what he's going to say most times before he starts,I hope Kildare win on Sunday and that Fermanagh put up a good show against the 'unbeatable Dubs' LOL. we put an end to that myth last year.
Tir Chonaill ABU.

TirChonaillabu2 (Donegal) - Posts: 344 - 28/07/2015 19:29:50    1760451

Id have liked Des Cahill to ask Donal og Cusack if he thought that the player strike that he (cusack) helped initiate had any effect on Cork, or to what extent Corks player power has affected the teams ability to compete with the docile "stepford wives" of Kilkenny.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 28/07/2015 19:52:05    1760472

Yes jon,Donal Og should definately be asked about that.He is a big part of the divide in the county.Donal Og,is just as divisive a character in Cork,as is Frank Murphy,in some quarters.Benny and the Cork posters will know more of the general feelings in the county,but ive met quite a few Cork people over the years since the strike,and there are a few who lost a lot of respect for Donal Og & some of his colleagues.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 28/07/2015 20:20:20    1760491

Hill,Dwyer scored two first half points,but i agree i was surprised myself to see him as one of the MOTM nominees.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 28/07/2015 20:29:22    1760497

What a difference game Makes, Brolly's back Donegaling' not even a mention of poor Monahgan when he referred to the top teams..Tut tut.

InishowenMan (Donegal) - Posts: 216 - 02/08/2015 14:55:48    1762413

Why does Brolly keep referring to the top 4 sides of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo and Donegal. Surely Monaghan and Tyrone are not miles behind these sides. Sure Monaghan beat Donegal only 2 weeks ago. Monaghan and Tyrone deserve more respect.

JimTheLegend (Donegal) - Posts: 247 - 02/08/2015 15:40:22    1762456

Joe Brolly is surely having a laugh today. Crucified Sean Kavanagh for pulling a man down there a few years back. Killian Young does it today when the game is over and him and his team are getting applauded for their ruthlessness. Can anyone explain that one to me?

tombonk (Galway) - Posts: 128 - 02/08/2015 15:42:18    1762458

Tombonk. ..exactly what I thought. We shouldn't applaud anyone for fouling but if it's a close match and theres only a few minutes to go I can understand why players resort to it.

But your team is annihilating another team and you resort to it why is that behaviour being applauded?

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1678 - 02/08/2015 16:23:42    1762501

Joe is wearing his green and gold glasses for Kerry and Donegal at the minute. Last years final and again yesterday when Kerry are miles ahead they pull and haul down players as Big Sean did - but when they do it its ruthless and justifiable. When Tyrone do it its a travesty of the highest order for the GAA and the players manhood is questioned. Killian Young IMO did what he's coached to do and this has been the Kerry way for years not just past 3-4 years - win at all cost and I admire that. But Joe please don't be a hypocrite on TV and justify something that you created a witch hunt about 2 years ago.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 03/08/2015 12:10:25    1762985

And while I'm at it the commentators on RTE Jeez!!!! - Tom Carr and particularly Martin Carney do not give proper analysis, state the obvious, have uninspiring voices and the latter particularly is extremely anti- 6 counties esp Tyrone. Theres bound to be better out there. We used to have Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh and Michael O'Hehir who had us on the edge of our seats even during a poor game but these two are horrendous.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 03/08/2015 12:36:47    1763003

Lads if it wasn't for RTE's terrible punditry, and the characters on it this thread wouldn't have started. How many people are not going to watch the games on RTE next week? I do believe that if Sky and RTE went head to head and showed the same games a lot of people would cross over to the terrible network of sky whenever the deal was first signed. You don't have much character on Sky it seems to be very professional, whereas RTE look amateur-ish by throwing in digs at each other and having a full scale debate on silly things. If your looking an in-depth look at the game Wee Pete and his Big TV seems to be the way forward.

Find_the_space (Tyrone) - Posts: 313 - 03/08/2015 12:37:30    1763004

Cake again at his brilliant best telling us championship will be obsolete like Catholic church and Fianna Fail. God he's good.

SLLY (Dublin) - Posts: 463 - 03/08/2015 12:43:52    1763013

Michael O Muirceartaigh & O Hehir were brilliant radio commentators.Whatever the reason,the tv commentary is never as good or exciting.Sometimes the commentators need good action on the field to relay their enthusiasm.Hard for any commentator to get excited watching Tyrone v Sligo in a 2/3 empty stadium.Same with Kerry beating Kildare out the gate.Not an easy gig id imagine.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 03/08/2015 12:48:48    1763023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeX3b8Y5yLY - The sound of the summer. How I miss his voice. How many of you used to mute the TV and put on the radio? A genius.
Darragh Maloney should be the main commentator on TV as he is the best.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 03/08/2015 13:00:42    1763038

They are rightly pointing out the ref problem, there is no consistency with the cards, it's a joke

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1669 - 03/08/2015 13:14:36    1763046

The RTE pundits are totally inferior to the Newstalk pundits in my opinion. James Horan has been a brilliant addition to the Newstalk team. Colm Parkinson has it all too in terms of punditry and analysis too, seems a natural in front of a microphone too. Brendan Devenney, Anthony Moyles, Billy Joe Padden and Philip Jordan are good too.

In fairness to RTE, Ciaran Whelan, Dessie Dolan and Tomas O'Se are as good as anything Newstalk have. One pundit I'm looking forward to hearing more of is John Casey. RTE could definitely do with getting him on television commentary instead of Tommy Carr or Martin Carney.

Colm O'Rourke, Pat Spillane, Kevin McStay, Martin Carney, Joe Brolly, Martin McHugh, Tommy Carr and Bernard Flynn have all had their day. Time to get rid of a few if not all.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 03/08/2015 13:31:18    1763057

+1 former poster

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1073 - 03/08/2015 13:57:23    1763076

They are rightly pointing out the ref problem, there is no consistency with the cards, it's a joke

Brolly mentioned this after the Fermanagh/WestMeath match and the response to him was basically "They're human, are they not allowed to make mistakes?". Now it's suddenly a problem?

effin (Fermanagh) - Posts: 39 - 03/08/2015 16:18:18    1763178

Colm O'Rourke, Pat Spillane, Kevin McStay, Martin Carney, Joe Brolly, Martin McHugh, Tommy Carr and Bernard Flynn have all had their day. Time to get rid of a few if not all.

I completely agree.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2550 - 03/08/2015 16:42:10    1763194