No one can possibly speak for all the fans in Croke Park last Saturday night that were boo'ing. It was not disrespectful these people were angry and fed up. From my position it just seemed to be a spontaneous outburst and I don't believe it was directed at Derry specifically just the crap "game" and what it had become. These fans were not band-wagon ones, it was cold/wet at a league match, I actually admire these people for voicing their displeasure. This boo'ing is completely different to the typical wind-up type that you see at most county matches. Everyone considers players, coaches, clubs etc but the last people to consider is the paying public and the GAA just can't afford to ignore these people. It was not pleasant to hear, it was sad, but don't lose sight of the fact that it was even more unpleasant to watch.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4898 - 02/04/2015 12:20:09    1709773

arock
No one can possibly speak for all the fans in Croke Park last Saturday night that were boo'ing.

It was not disrespectful these people were angry and fed up. From my position it just seemed to be a spontaneous outburst and I don't believe it was directed at Derry specifically just the crap "game" and what it had become. These fans were not band-wagon ones, it was cold/wet at a league match, I actually admire these people for voicing their displeasure.

Nobody can speak for them, except yourself it seems...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 02/04/2015 12:26:18    1709776

Themaster

You're misrepresenting what I was saying on the Dublin page a wee bit there

I just feel that lessons have to be learnt and that beating blanket defenses is very important in order to win AI'S

I want Dublin to win the AI every year... or as much as possible

If we have to be defensive in possibly one game a year against a top Ulster team to achieve that... then so be it.

Big flipping deal...

It's a very effective way of countering the blanket... Kerry the Brazil of Football have no qualms about setting up as such in order to win

I agree 100% with them and I'm delighted to see Jim Gavin has been trying this out more as an effective method of countering the blanket during the 2015 NFL Div 1 campaign

Mayo were shown up against Tyrone - no clue how to counter the blanket

Dublin got a hard earned draw - and have taken 5/6 points against he Ulster sides this year

Although we have a very difficult game on Sunday...

We're a far more balanced team - look at our stats in the league - in fact we have the best defensive record to date and 2nd highest points scored

I am most pleased about that... Offence is nothing without defense

As such we will be hard beat this year

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 02/04/2015 12:31:06    1709781

TheMaster....

Did you read what I wrote? Or did you see one sentence that you could take out of context?

People can boo if they want. I have no problem with it. Players sticking fingers up or making machine gun gestures at supporters in a stand. I have an issue with that. If you read my post you'd have seen that.

The master of selective reading!

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 02/04/2015 12:52:03    1709795

Lads i keep reading about these 3 Antrim forwards making machine gun gestures.

Is there any way of proving it,considering it was shown live on the rte player if i remember correctly.

Or do we simply have to take your word for it?

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 02/04/2015 15:33:42    1709868

GAA players are amateurs, fans dont do anything to benefit their welfare. They can make whatever gestures they want at the crowds, if they dont like it they can stick to watching coronation street while attempting to grow a pair

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 02/04/2015 15:51:11    1709874

jimbo, there was no mention of limiting the defensive displays to one game per year, you have only added that part in now. I dont believe that is what you meant either to be honest. You seem to want it every way. When dublin were going badly, you were not only happy with defensive setups, you were actively campaigning for one for your own team. When dublin rattle off a good result you change your tune and we are back to square one again. 'Get rid of the defensive system' The only reason you want rid of it is because your own team struggles with it. Please stop insulting people's intelligence by pretending otherwise.


jayp, there is no context in existence that makes that sentence mean anything other than 'the fans shouldnt be blamed for their own actions'... Yes they should.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 02/04/2015 16:07:29    1709889

TheMaster, that is not what I wrote. Misquoting me to make your argument sound better.

I said you can hardly blame fans for poor behaviour when players provoke them. Fans should be respectful, but so should poor behaviour. Only an idiot would expect fans to stand silently while people insult them.

You really need to take those blinkers off. You always try weasel arguments, never make any sense. Go talk about Mayo.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 02/04/2015 18:42:03    1709950

Like the guy running onto the pitch in the semi last year.
And lads looking for evidence. God help us. Some habits die hard.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 02/04/2015 19:48:54    1709973

have to laugh at the lazy arguement that the players arent getting paid by the supporters
so that means its ok for them to insult supporters
yet whistling a free taker is completly wrong haha
if thats the case then all matches should be fee of charge if supporters are supposed to not display any sort of response
TO WHAT THEY PAID INTO
your loosing sight of that fact
amature or not people pay into these games
they can cheer or show displeasure as they wish
how can some people feel tyrones tactics if degrading other players familys is ok because its gamesmanship
but supporters whistling a freetaker is deplorable
seriously thats warped way of thinking

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 02/04/2015 20:16:51    1709985

Themaster

Yes I did

Go have a look... it's there as clear as day

Simple as that really

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 02/04/2015 21:12:39    1710016

Lads

It's only a matter of setting up like such maybe once, possibly twice during the championship

It's not the end of the world... I mean did you boys not enjoy 2011 then... were you frowning when Clucko kicked that point

I mean you don't see Kerry fans carrying the purists flag...

But whatever floats your boat boys... I'll look for the happy heads leaving the Hill in the summer when we lose against a packed defense side... when playing defenders as forwards again

I'll come over and say hello...

Just one example themaster

So your comple waffle above doesn't relate to me whatsoever

I can supply more examples if you need them from Dubs page

Do you want me to further show you up or can we please just leave it

Although if you are going to have a go at me... at least make sure you actually have some sort of foundation for doing so.

Good woman yourself

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 02/04/2015 21:31:16    1710025

Themaster

Another example just for the laugh

I wouldn't want you to be insulting people's intelligence by getting my input so wrong

And greatly misrepresenting my opinions


Hill we were shown up against the first decent team we played

We looked like we did back in 2008 against Tyrone

As for the goal chances against Donegal... not taking goal chances has been a persistent problem

When you're missing goal chances... You need a defense.

Again if you boys can't accept a change in tactics for maybe what one game a year...

I don't know... Personally don't see any logic in being so one dimensional and predictable

If we adjust we'll have the most successful Dubs team possibly of all time

Compromise lads... the payout will be worth it

Stopping goals is just as important as scoring them...

We were unbalanced last year and Kerry ended up winning of the decade if we don't plan accordingly... Kerry knew what dering the calibre of panel we

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 02/04/2015 21:44:05    1710031

Another example for you themaster


There's more... :)



Hill.. come on man

Monaghan were a shadow of themselves against us... it was a non game

Didn't they have a huge game only a few days before playing us to boot

So that's not an adequate example whatsoever

It was the worst possible game to have before Donegal.

But it looks like Jim is going more defensive this year, the way the draw is... we could possibly play a strong Ulster outfit in a 1/4 final

So it's only smart for us to prepare properly for that challenge.

As I said I'm no purist... any successful Dublin team always had a solid core at the back and they were never that exposed.

Gavin simply got it wrong... and by the looks of Dublin so far this year.. especially against Donegal... when it really mattered to deploy a bit of defensive strength

He got it right.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 02/04/2015 21:51:46    1710033

And another.......... Haha

Ya bleeding plonker... Why make it so easy


Hats off... you're passionate about our games

You want to see it played the right way

Fair play, nice to see such passion... it's impressive but can I ask you something

Would you prefer Dublin to lose playing -

The "right" way...

Even if it meant losing to a team playing the blanket and beating us to an All Ireland title by playing -

The "wrong" way...

In my view surely that's more damaging to the game...

The team playing the "wrong" way winning would only make other counties copy it more

That's why more and more setups adopted those tactics.. because they saw how effective it was

If Kerry had of adopted the stance now taken by Fitzmaurice that bit quicker and not let their ego get in the way

Tyrone would not have had the same success against them

That's why I feel that it's important to get ourselves tactically spot on when facing blanket first teams

Become a better balanced team - one capable of adapting to face any foe when the need arises

Because we have to beat them, anti-football should not be claiming All Ireland titles

The best way to beat these teams is to play a similar version of their own tactics

So in order to do something "right" you have to do something "wrong"

But for me... it's more important to stop these teams winning AI's... fight fire with fire

If a team wants to stand up and go toe to toe... we'll take them on...

If a team wants to deploy 13 men behind the ball and counter... we'll have the smarts to take them on...

That's balance, and will result in us winning more AI's at the expense of the blanket

Surely that's a good thing!

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 02/04/2015 21:56:19    1710037

jimbo you cant score goals if you dont create chances
how many goal chances did we create playing your way against derry?
how many goal chances did derry create playing against our so called improved defensive strucuture?
il give you the answer one more than we did

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 03/04/2015 11:19:50    1710091

jimbo you keep harking on about monaghan being a non event
had the goals went in against donegal and a similiar result insued
id say you would be on here saying sure donegal were a one year team they were finished since 2012
the funny thing is you refrence tyrone in 2008
well didnt tyrone come through the exact same preparation for that quarter final as monaghan did last year
a glut of qualifiers which had them spot on for the game against ourselves in the quarters
difference was tyrone had a better team than us in 2008
dublin had a better team than monaghan in 2014
you cannot dismiss the fact that both the monghan and donegal first 25 minutes were almost identical
apart from the goal column

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 03/04/2015 11:24:02    1710099

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 9490

1710099
jimbo you keep harking on about monaghan being a non event
had the goals went in against donegal and a similiar result insued

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No Hill I believe it was you who brought up Monaghan into the discussion and have used them as an example a few times now

I merely responded to your input.

What about all the goals Donegal missed man? But anyway......

Listen... don't be responding to those posts on this thread

I was merely highlighting to themaster - that he was misrepresenting my input on the Dubs forum

You yourself can testify to the fact that I've been banging on about this now for weeks on the Dubs forum

That Dublin need to go defensive against Ulster team - it'll only be one or at a stretch two games a year that we'll have to adapt

You don't agree with that stance but you can certainly admit that I have been saying it...

Have a look at themasters post above to me... and you'll see why I pasted those older comments on this thread

No offense intended - you're perfectly entitled to your opinion and you could be very much right... but as it stands the jury is out on both our views.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 03/04/2015 11:55:17    1710119

yeah jimbo I may have brought them up but the point i made was no who broght them up it
it was that you keep dismissing the quarter final of the all ireland championship against them as a non event
which it clearly was not.
yes you have been saying it Im not for one second saying you werent
but the aruguement is that its not working for us going defensive against ulster teams
the point is we played two ulster teams last autumn monaghan and donegal
we played the same style we had done all year
one game we won by 17 points
the other we lost by 6 points
in the game we lost by 6 points we missed two very good goal chances
and kicked 13 wides to me that points to more the reason we lost the game
we have played two very defensive teams in the league with a negative approach
and struggled badly playing that way
like we managed one point in 35 minutes and needed a 50 metre wonder point from connolly to get a second before half time
we played a few weeks earlier a very poor tyrone team and was onlky when we through caution to wind
and played our own game that way got the goal to scrape a draw
the fact we won the derry game is clearly masking over clear problems playing defensive teams at their own game
as we kicked our two lowest tallys of jim gavins managerial carear in both games
just because kerry done that to donegal in the all ireland final and won
you seem to presume that its the way dublin must approach the same beagtive defensive teams
but dublin and kerry are different teams it doesnt always work out the same

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 03/04/2015 13:40:48    1710154

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 9493

1710154
yeah jimbo I may have brought them up but the point i made was no who broght them up it
it was that you keep dismissing the quarter final of the all ireland championship against them as a non event
which it clearly was not.
yes you have been saying it Im not for one second saying you werent
but the aruguement is that its not working for us going defensive against ulster teams
the point is we played two ulster teams last autumn monaghan and donegal
we played the same style we had done all year
one game we won by 17 points
the other we lost by 6 points
in the game we lost by 6 points we missed two very good goal chances
and kicked 13 wides to me that points to more the reason we lost the game
we have played two very defensive teams in the league with a negative approach
and struggled badly playing that way
like we managed one point in 35 minutes and needed a 50 metre wonder point from connolly to get a second before half time
we played a few weeks earlier a very poor tyrone team and was onlky when we through caution to wind
and played our own game that way got the goal to scrape a draw
the fact we won the derry game is clearly masking over clear problems playing defensive teams at their own game
as we kicked our two lowest tallys of jim gavins managerial carear in both games
just because kerry done that to donegal in the all ireland final and won
you seem to presume that its the way dublin must approach the same beagtive defensive teams
but dublin and kerry are different teams it doesnt always work out the same
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Dubs forum.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20601 - 03/04/2015 15:16:13    1710187