Bank of Ireland Leinster Schools Cup in association with Beauchamps Solicitors

Says enough for me really.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 19/03/2015 14:37:17    1704492

19/03/2015 14:36:04
daytona11
Ormond, Name 10 pure public community schools in Leinster that enter the senior schools cup? At which level as every school that enters a senior or junior level cup can qualify for the main cups that get all the attention
These 5 all entered the Vinnie murray which is the final qualification cup for the Leinster Senior schools cup. There was dozens more who didn't make this level of competition
Tullow Community School
Skerries Community College
Gorey Community School
St Patrick's Classical School Navan
St Fintan's High School

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 19/03/2015 14:50:02    1704495

While the majority of rugby is not elitest, come down to Tullamore or to Ormonds club in Nenagh and you will see the same people that are in local GAA and soccer clubs, the Leinster Schools Cup is most definetely elitest. It is the domain of upper class private schools that gets way more coverage than it should do. Sure look at the whinging and moaning that was done when they moved the Junior final last year out of D4 and all the way out to Tallaght. Talks of mass boycotts and how it wasnt fair to move it out there

tonorio (Offaly) - Posts: 608 - 19/03/2015 14:57:54    1704496

Howcomw they have players from so far afield? wexford and kerry are a fair bit from roscrea

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 19/03/2015 15:01:38    1704497

ormondbannerman
County: Clare And you and other anti rugby posters are actually acting more arrogant and snobbish by all the poor cracks at rugby than virtually all rugby supporters. Rarely see rugby supporters online dismissing GAA like the GAA lads do to rugby.

Yeah, but what do they have to diss? we´re cool and they´re twats. ;-)

even youd be cool if you called yourself ormo

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 19/03/2015 15:05:00    1704498

5 schools?

Ha Ha.

Case and point.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 19/03/2015 15:33:44    1704509

19/03/2015 15:01:38 flack
Howcomw they have players from so far afield? wexford and kerry are a fair bit from roscrea Cistercian Roscrea is a boarding school....
19/03/2015 15:33:44 daytona11
5 schools?
Ha Ha.
Case and point. I named 5 who qualified. There is dozens more schools who didn't qualify for either of the main two cups and competed in McMullen cup, development cup etc

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 19/03/2015 16:26:20    1704521

Alright. I think they compete in Leinster in gaa too

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 19/03/2015 17:12:32    1704543

Ormonde your like a broken record. Rugby is elitist. Yes there are good lads like sean o brien playing but for every one of him see about Ten West brit types such as madigan heaslip or Kearney with his strange louth accent. Such importance given to a sport of no significance. Bandwagoners going to drink HEINO at rds or aviva are not real fans. For rugby popularity see AIL attendance. When Ireland score some tries against proper opposition come back to me. Oh but munster beat the all blacks he says. A bunch of white men doing the war dance of a people they colonised, only 3 blacks starting for south africa, a country where black outnumber white ten to one, only played in former british colonies and upper class france.NOT ELITIST? By the way the fee paying schools did origionally object to expansion of leinster cups.

sceptical (Cavan) - Posts: 544 - 19/03/2015 17:16:16    1704546

19/03/2015 17:16:16
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Ormond your like a broken record. Rugby is elitist. Yes there are good lads like sean o brien playing but for every one of him see about Ten West brit types such as madigan heaslip or Kearney with his strange louth accent. Such importance given to a sport of no significance. Bandwagoners going to drink HEINO at rds or aviva are not real fans. For rugby popularity see AIL attendance. When Ireland score some tries against proper opposition come back to me. Oh but munster beat the all blacks he says. A bunch of white men doing the war dance of a people they colonised, only 3 blacks starting for south africa, a country where black outnumber white ten to one, only played in former british colonies and upper class france.NOT ELITIST? By the way the fee paying schools did origionally object to expansion of leinster cups. You don't know much about rugby then.
Sport of no significance. Don't be so arrogant. As for attempts at slagging the support by saying bandwagon. Look at GAA before dismissing other sports as if rugby has some bandwagon supporters then GAA has more of them.
Your lack of facts and throwing insults is pathetic

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 19/03/2015 17:44:09    1704552

Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, it would have to be said that many of the strongest GAA schools in the country- St. Jarlath's in Tuam; St. Flannan's in Ennis; St. Kieran's in Kilkenny; St. Brendan's, Killarney; St. Colman's, Fermoy etc. are, or have traditionally been, boarding schools. Ok, granted there is a far bigger participation from ordinary comprehensive or voluntary aided schools in GAA competitions than in the elite rugby competitions, but it's curious to note that a lot of the powerhouses of schools GAA are private schools.

I may even be missing some of this list: not sure of the statute of the likes of St. Colman's in Newry, St. Pat's, Navan; Colàiste na Sceilege, Caherciveen, St. Mel's in Longford etc.

Is there also a class dimension to underage gaelic games that we're not acknowledging?

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 19/03/2015 19:05:39    1704574

Maybe so Gleebo. Interesting point.

The powerhouses of underage GAA that you mention were fee paying schools at a time nearly all schools in Ireland were fee paying. When did we get fee education down here? 1968 or so wasn't it...these schools had built their tradition or at least established a winning habit up to this point and one that they have maintained until today. I think that the tradition attracts players from around to go. As far as I know none of them are fee paying anymore ( a bit of misnomer these days as parents don't pay 'fees' but must contribute to 232 fundraising events each year).

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 19/03/2015 20:06:38    1704599

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Maybe so Gleebo. Interesting point.

The powerhouses of underage GAA that you mention were fee paying schools at a time nearly all schools in Ireland were fee paying. When did we get fee education down here? 1968 or so wasn't it...these schools had built their tradition or at least established a winning habit up to this point and one that they have maintained until today. I think that the tradition attracts players from around to go. As far as I know none of them are fee paying anymore ( a bit of misnomer these days as parents don't pay 'fees' but must contribute to 232 fundraising events each year).

It's true that those boarding schools all had a tradition of success in gaelic games by the time compulsory school fees were abolished (1960?), but I'm presuming boarding fees would have been a lot more expensive than non-boarding fees, so class, or at least earning potential, may still be a factor.

You make a good point about tradition, though: many talented GAA players in Mayo and Roscommon would have attended Jarlath's for that very reason. Since they stopped boarding, Jarlath's have dipped considerably, not having won a Hogan Cup since 2002, while non-traditional powers like St. Mary's in Galway City and St. Gerald's in Castlebar have dominated the Connacht 'A' Championship since then.

I'd believe myself that the decline of boarding has been helpful in evening out the playing field in Connacht- Mayo lads now tend to stay at home for their schooling. The older brother of a current All-Star from Mayo-himself an excellent club footballer- went to Jarlath's when it was still boarding, while his younger brothers went to the local secondary school, so it can vary even with a gap of just a few years.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 19/03/2015 20:24:23    1704608

Sceptical
Elitism....... Am a gaa member who as a young fella spent the summer on the sideline coz I happened to play soccer. Maybe if I played a non partitionist sport like rugby then I might have got a game but I doubt it. My young lad plays all sport and has played against rugby teams in clondalkin, Tallaght, ballymun ( unidare) coolmine, athboy etc as well as the so called well heeled clubs. I can honestly say that in terms of facilities the gaa is miles ahead generally than rugby clubs, and particularly in the aforementioned areas

showforit (Meath) - Posts: 156 - 19/03/2015 21:32:45    1704636

I used to play rugby for Ballyhaunis in the 90s cos I wasn't good enough to play GAA, the rugby standard wasn't so high! At the clubs in Connacht, plus Longford and Mullingar I played against there were a few posh accents but all players, supporters, management were sound. Except for one club and I wouldn't have thought that they'd be snobby at all. Ballina.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7360 - 22/03/2015 14:27:24    1705105

this guy only made a few sub appearences through year

rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 23/03/2015 19:32:34    1705768

Geebo is correct in his analysis..... the traditional successful GAA schools were the boarding schools. St. Pat's Armagh were one of the strongest schools in the country and had players ( county) from all corners, but they were the boarders...

But the boarding system is gone or nearly gone in the GAA school.system...As for the initial post, it is an achievement to be successful at different sports... but the Leinster Schools cup gets far to much coverage.. which had or has the biggest attandence the McRory Cup ( Ulster Colleges GAA) or the Leinster Schools Cup....

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1676 - 23/03/2015 21:09:43    1705819

Rugby is certainly elitist in Leinster.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 24/03/2015 08:23:02    1705871

The fact that all bar one Leinster guy was privately schooled says all that needs to be said about the situation in Leinster.

Leinster town (Arklow, Gorey, Athy, Naas, Edenderry) might be located and play Rugby in Leinster but when it comes to the provincial team this is far more a Dublin 4 thing.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 24/03/2015 09:54:31    1705903

The Leinster schools final usually has an attendance of about 15-20 thousand

tinrylandman (Carlow) - Posts: 387 - 24/03/2015 10:19:17    1705912