03/03/2015 16:02:51
TheMaster
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So the dirtiest team of the weekend were the northern team that played against your own county? What are the chances? Fair play to you for bringing some perspective to the thread.

They had two men sent off, one for a full on punch, another for throwing an opponent into the advertising boardings for no reason at all. They should have had another sent off for striking 3 players in the face in one incident, while another shouted abuse at the ref and went unpunished. That is even before you go into their generally heavy-handed approach in play once the first goal went in. It isnt as if it was a heated encounter or a clash between rivals or something. Can you come up with another team who put on an even worse performance? Just the name of the county and relevant game it occurred in will suffice please. This thread has had enough unfounded conspiracy theories.

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It's a fair point Themaster. I saw the incidents from the game in Castlebar and there were some nasty clashes there alright. I do have have some sympathy for Ulster posters in that there does seem to be a certain slant against them in the media but at the same time Ulster counties are not helping themselves when you see some of the clashes in games involving teams from that province in the past few months, and these are just off the top of my head..

- mass brawl between Armagh and Cavan pre-match in Ulster championship beside the band
- Cavan supporters and mentors attacking referee following defeat to Dublin in U21 championship
- mass brawl (19 cards dished out) in Jan Dr McKenna Cup match between Armagh and Tyrone
- incidents in Sundays game where punches thrown and player rammed into advertising hoarding

You can see from the above list alone that there have been some really high profile nasty incidents involving Ulster teams in the past few months. On the one hand Ulster people may view criticism levied against them as unfair but on the other they could easily look at incidents like the above and question whether it is justified. It can be difficult to shake a bad reputation. No doubt some hacks have it in for Ulster football though, unfairly in my opinion.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 03/03/2015 17:55:28    1698856

Master - I was showing the same 3 sources for their headlines on the two games. I purposely chose the 3 main media providers as these would have the largest audience and are Irish institutions. Don't see any issue with that.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 03/03/2015 18:03:05    1698861

You should know by now there is methodology to my posts, not envy.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 03/03/2015 18:05:59    1698864

Tyrone made a burst and won 3 AI fair play to them in the one decade
and their blown their trumpet ever since no one heard prior to their
1st win and it will be a while before we hear from them again
Kerry are consistent able to do 2 in a row 3 in a row 4 in a row
any Team that are able to put back to back AI are a great team
Tyrone were unable to do so the Ai is there to be won every year
im surprised Tyrone are unable to pickup the handy ones Maybe Kerry
should take a break from the championship for a few years leave
someone else get a few handyones

wfkerry (USA) - Posts: 933 - 03/03/2015 18:12:38    1698868

Cuederocket, Bastick may be coming towards the end of his career but he has been a wonderful player

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 03/03/2015 18:36:04    1698877

Not for me gavvy.Very limited and always has been.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 03/03/2015 19:11:06    1698898

mass brawl joxer?..how many punches did you actually seen thrown?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 03/03/2015 19:15:19    1698905

fabio8
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mass brawl joxer?..how many punches did you actually seen thrown?

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Why, do you have to have punches for something to be considered a brawl? Look up the definition of brawl. How would you define it? I suppose they were 'just getting to know each other'.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 03/03/2015 20:52:27    1698962

i would regard describing it as a brawl as tabloid journalism type stuff..quite similar to dublin and kerry at the weekend...some pushing and shoving..not a whole lot else...leave it the high and mighty carry on

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 03/03/2015 21:07:18    1698968

Interesting picture of Donaghy and BASTICK in todays Star

RAHKILL (Westmeath) - Posts: 395 - 03/03/2015 21:18:31    1698973

Ok Fabio, let's not be tabloid like and call it a mass brawl. Let's be Irish Times like instead and call it an unseemly row. Like it makes a difference. It was ugly, full-stop.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/unseemly-pre-game-row-mars-armagh-victory-over-cavan-1.1825199

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 03/03/2015 21:48:18    1698992

Hermit look at it any which way you want but Barry John's motives were about petulant time wasting, not helping big Paul with the rules.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 04/03/2015 08:49:53    1699005

This thread has gone backwards badly, it seems that some, not all, prefer wearing blinkers than confronting reality, good luck with that lads.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 04/03/2015 09:40:26    1699024

Master,

The two most serious incidents that i can remember off the top of my head were linked to the same incident when Aidan O Shea emptied Niall Morgan. If you managed to follow the ball after Morgan had handpassed it, there was another extremely late and heavy tackle on a tyrone defender by a mayo sibstitute i think. I think the officials were all too busy watching the O'Shea challenge to pick it up, However, imo it was worse than Aidan O'Shea's challenge. If i also remember right Cillian O'Connor was running around like a headless chicken that day hauling people down and barging into them.

Now the key to this is, it was also at a time when Tyrone were winning and looked like completing the job.

Tell me again then what is the difference between Mayo's behaviour and Monaghan's again?

So you see, we're back to the oul hypocrisy argument again!

If its wrong its wrong, if its cynical its cynical call it across the board.

But then that doesnt suit your political agenda does it!

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 04/03/2015 10:26:17    1699039

Joxer, I and i believe other Ulster posters have said time and again that we are not pointing the finger at any particular counties. We are well aware how cynical and agressive Ulster teams are and can be.
The issue isnt even really even about Kerry and Dublin at the weekend, its about the fact that double standards and hypocrisy are rife in some quarters of the media and also on this site.
Maybe we are a bit oversensitive at times, im sure most of us are aware of that. However, at the same time it needs to be highlighted that there is an agenda to single out Ulster teams as being overly physical and extremely cynical in some quarters. All the while completely ignoring the same traits when displayed by other teams, in fact ive heard it said that when other teams do it theyre somehow copying Ulster teams.

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 04/03/2015 10:48:20    1699049

bumper - I think people are either not reading the posts, being deliberately obtuse or actually cannot see any flaw in their logic. I hope its one of the former two though you do wonder some times.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 04/03/2015 10:55:06    1699052

I wouldnt get to bothered what goes on the pitch once my own county stays clear of bother. Journalists can and will print what they like, in order to sell papers.

There will be the same sound bytes from the press box this year, with possibly a new player/team on the scene to pick on.

Is it annoying that there is a double standard in GAA reporting as highlighted in this thread? Not unless you are very touchy.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 04/03/2015 11:16:53    1699064

Doesn't anybody have a list of incidents that happened in other provinces off the top of their head or did nothing actually happen in any other province?

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 04/03/2015 11:45:25    1699081

Getting away from the 'your lot are worse than our lot' theme this thread has taken and back to last Sundays game for a minute. The biggest problem I thought was that the ref, Eddie Kinsella, just lost all control of the game, which led to players getting frustrated on both sides. Not questioning the result, Kerry played better for longer and well deserved their win, but the game wasn't helped by the way it was reffed.
I've no problem with Dublin players getting cards of any colour in a game if they deserve them, and on Sunday generally speaking they did, but what frustrates players and supporters is referees calling something a foul by one team, yet letting the opposition do exactly the same with no punishment. I'm not just referring to games involving Dublin either, but it seems to be becoming more frequent that referees tend to 'side' with a particular team during games, for reasons only they fully know. Time and again players and managers in all codes call for consistency from officials and its got to the stage that the GAA will need to look long and hard at the way games are being reffed.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 04/03/2015 14:50:00    1699165

The funny thing is the majority of the media and critics have agreed that Kinsella's handling of the game was spot on and even Eugene McGee has said that any confusion regarding black cards could be solved by all referees viewing last Sundays game and taking notes.

Personally I was there.. handbags and more niggle then punch and unfort Kerry can play both ways either play ball and they'll beat you or play rough and they both play ball and beat you and give as good and they get and beat you...

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 04/03/2015 14:59:45    1699169